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	<title>Comments on: NYPD Issuing Warnings to Brooklyn Bridge Cyclists</title>
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		<title>By: Eric McClure</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/nypd-issuing-warnings-to-brooklyn-bridge-cyclists/comment-page-2/#comment-58075</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric McClure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine for using the safest possible route to access the bridge while on a bicycle: $250.

Fine for killing someone while driving an SUV: $0.

Five more years of Mayor &quot;Third term&#039;s the charm&quot; Bloomberg: Priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine for using the safest possible route to access the bridge while on a bicycle: $250.</p>
<p>Fine for killing someone while driving an SUV: $0.</p>
<p>Five more years of Mayor "Third term's the charm" Bloomberg: Priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: Moocow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moocow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The cyclists shoud have a dedicated lane in the roadway over the bridge and leave the walking path to the peds.&quot; 

I agree with this entirely, except the shoud part.  

I think about this every time I ride over the Brooklyn.  What we give up to cars is sickening, what is more revolting is that cops can&#039;t seem to write tickets for motorists who kill or maim Peds and cyclists, but can cook up some lame excuses to ticket bikers while they access a bike route designated by City published maps.  I keep thinking I can&#039;t trust them any less. This will be a fun 5 more years of this mixed message from City Hall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The cyclists shoud have a dedicated lane in the roadway over the bridge and leave the walking path to the peds." </p>
<p>I agree with this entirely, except the shoud part.  </p>
<p>I think about this every time I ride over the Brooklyn.  What we give up to cars is sickening, what is more revolting is that cops can't seem to write tickets for motorists who kill or maim Peds and cyclists, but can cook up some lame excuses to ticket bikers while they access a bike route designated by City published maps.  I keep thinking I can't trust them any less. This will be a fun 5 more years of this mixed message from City Hall.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris m</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, i mean right turning vehicles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, i mean right turning vehicles.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris m</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/nypd-issuing-warnings-to-brooklyn-bridge-cyclists/comment-page-2/#comment-58040</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got a ticket this morning there. I think it&#039;s $250, for running the red light when using the crosswalk to enter the bike lane on the bridge on the brooklyn side.  This is the same as a motor vehicle ticket.

The ticket states I ran a red light. What I did was use the crosswalk when there was a walk signal. I used to use one of the two left turning lanes for car and turn with the green, but the traffic officers told me to use the crosswalk instead. I think it&#039;s really the best way to get on the bridge.

Asking cyclists to stop and dismount to get on a bike path is not a solution. The lane is poorly designed and puts pedestrians in harms way. The cyclists shoud have a dedicated lane in the roadway over the bridge and leave the walking path to the peds. 

Coming from my side there is no sign to indicate how to transfer from the roadway to the bike path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a ticket this morning there. I think it's $250, for running the red light when using the crosswalk to enter the bike lane on the bridge on the brooklyn side.  This is the same as a motor vehicle ticket.</p>
<p>The ticket states I ran a red light. What I did was use the crosswalk when there was a walk signal. I used to use one of the two left turning lanes for car and turn with the green, but the traffic officers told me to use the crosswalk instead. I think it's really the best way to get on the bridge.</p>
<p>Asking cyclists to stop and dismount to get on a bike path is not a solution. The lane is poorly designed and puts pedestrians in harms way. The cyclists shoud have a dedicated lane in the roadway over the bridge and leave the walking path to the peds. </p>
<p>Coming from my side there is no sign to indicate how to transfer from the roadway to the bike path.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Barnett</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/nypd-issuing-warnings-to-brooklyn-bridge-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-58024</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He honestly told us both that we&#039;re supposed to wait for the green light and then cross all that on-coming right-turn traffic.&quot;

Wow. And this interpretation is even more contrived than I said above: I noted this morning that there IS a light for cyclists riding downhill, and it &lt;i&gt;changes in sync with the walk signal&lt;/i&gt;. There can be no doubt that the intersection is designed for the same to apply to people riding uphill, for their safety and to improve the blessed flow of automobile traffic. What a shameful, wilful misinterpretation of intent. Now the DOT will have to put in a signal with a bicycle on it for people riding uphill, to eliminate the ambiguity these b.s. artists are exploiting. Or tack up a sign that says &quot;Cyclists cross on WALK signal.&quot; Or maybe just &quot;Stop wasting the public&#039;s time and money in the name of an anachronistic anti-bicycle jihad, NYPD.&quot;

I live a couple of blocks from this intersection. My guess is that one of my angry neighbors who was hit by a bicycle in nineteen aught seven has spurred this &quot;enforcement&quot; action by filing a complaint about cyclists. Well, I have just as much right to complain about unreasonable and dubiously lawful harassment of people riding bicycles in my neighborhood. More of a right, actually, since the PD is actively causing the problem and not some uncatchable random jerk cyclist among the masses of decent ones. (Punishing a loosely defined group for the slights of unknown individuals, like how they expediently define stock thug characters in the movies? Way to be an authoritarian cartoon, guys.) I would be happy to coauthor a letter, as a neighborhood resident, with any of you who have been ticketed. You can contact me at doc@technically.us (for the letter we would dispense with aliases, of course!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"He honestly told us both that we're supposed to wait for the green light and then cross all that on-coming right-turn traffic."</p>
<p>Wow. And this interpretation is even more contrived than I said above: I noted this morning that there IS a light for cyclists riding downhill, and it <i>changes in sync with the walk signal</i>. There can be no doubt that the intersection is designed for the same to apply to people riding uphill, for their safety and to improve the blessed flow of automobile traffic. What a shameful, wilful misinterpretation of intent. Now the DOT will have to put in a signal with a bicycle on it for people riding uphill, to eliminate the ambiguity these b.s. artists are exploiting. Or tack up a sign that says "Cyclists cross on WALK signal." Or maybe just "Stop wasting the public's time and money in the name of an anachronistic anti-bicycle jihad, NYPD."</p>
<p>I live a couple of blocks from this intersection. My guess is that one of my angry neighbors who was hit by a bicycle in nineteen aught seven has spurred this "enforcement" action by filing a complaint about cyclists. Well, I have just as much right to complain about unreasonable and dubiously lawful harassment of people riding bicycles in my neighborhood. More of a right, actually, since the PD is actively causing the problem and not some uncatchable random jerk cyclist among the masses of decent ones. (Punishing a loosely defined group for the slights of unknown individuals, like how they expediently define stock thug characters in the movies? Way to be an authoritarian cartoon, guys.) I would be happy to coauthor a letter, as a neighborhood resident, with any of you who have been ticketed. You can contact me at <a href="mailto:doc@technically.us">doc@technically.us</a> (for the letter we would dispense with aliases, of course!).</p>
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		<title>By: ringside seat</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/nypd-issuing-warnings-to-brooklyn-bridge-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-58017</link>
		<dc:creator>ringside seat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see this intersection from my office, and just a moment ago I watched a cop stop a cyclist and then saunter back to his illegally parked cruiser to complete the transaction.

If you&#039;re riding along Tillary and see a police car parked on the median just east of Adams, beware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see this intersection from my office, and just a moment ago I watched a cop stop a cyclist and then saunter back to his illegally parked cruiser to complete the transaction.</p>
<p>If you're riding along Tillary and see a police car parked on the median just east of Adams, beware.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we fire Ray Kelly already?  This guy has been a disaster in so many ways.  Honestly, with every stunt he&#039;s pulled, he should be in jail by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we fire Ray Kelly already?  This guy has been a disaster in so many ways.  Honestly, with every stunt he's pulled, he should be in jail by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, PS. I wasn&#039;t exactly thrilled to stand on that island basically in the middle of oncoming traffic for half an hour while he wrote up the ticket. And I couldn&#039;t keep count of the number of cars I saw running red lights while he was writing me up. It was silly, is all I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, PS. I wasn't exactly thrilled to stand on that island basically in the middle of oncoming traffic for half an hour while he wrote up the ticket. And I couldn't keep count of the number of cars I saw running red lights while he was writing me up. It was silly, is all I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might-a been me you saw. Though there was another woman wrapping up her crash course in humility (&quot;yes, of course officer&quot;; &quot;gee thanks officer&quot; -- I can only keep that up for so long before I want to scream &quot;You are a lying SOB, officer. I don&#039;t care what your CO told you you have to do, you should stand up to absurd laws and not just be a sheep.&quot;)

He actually wrote me up for not having reflectors. I have reflectors. We discussed my reflectors. I pointed to them. He told me my blinky is not an adequate rear reflector. 

The whole thing is horse pucky. He honestly told us both that we&#039;re supposed to wait for the green light and then cross all that on-coming right-turn traffic. No joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might-a been me you saw. Though there was another woman wrapping up her crash course in humility ("yes, of course officer"; "gee thanks officer" -- I can only keep that up for so long before I want to scream "You are a lying SOB, officer. I don't care what your CO told you you have to do, you should stand up to absurd laws and not just be a sheep.")</p>
<p>He actually wrote me up for not having reflectors. I have reflectors. We discussed my reflectors. I pointed to them. He told me my blinky is not an adequate rear reflector. </p>
<p>The whole thing is horse pucky. He honestly told us both that we're supposed to wait for the green light and then cross all that on-coming right-turn traffic. No joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Was it you I saw at 9:50, then?) I don&#039;t come from that direction so I&#039;m less familiar with the signalling, but they&#039;re saying the only legal time for you to get to the path is a right turn arrow? That doesn&#039;t even make sense, and as usual for our signals, it would be one of the more dangerous times to attempt a crossing thanks to turning vehicles. Coming from the other way I have a safe, car-free traversal with the walk sign (when it finally comes up). So their position is that I can come downhill with the walk sign because there isn&#039;t any other signal, but you have to sit there and wait until you can get in the way of / be run over by turning vehicles with an arrow? (Two blocks up I run the red every morning, to avoid a similar conflict with turning cars that have green at the same time.) Someone needs to talk to this CO. Just because a person has (undoubtedly) complained about the bicycles doesn&#039;t mean they get to exploit faults in the intersection to give everyone riding one a ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Was it you I saw at 9:50, then?) I don't come from that direction so I'm less familiar with the signalling, but they're saying the only legal time for you to get to the path is a right turn arrow? That doesn't even make sense, and as usual for our signals, it would be one of the more dangerous times to attempt a crossing thanks to turning vehicles. Coming from the other way I have a safe, car-free traversal with the walk sign (when it finally comes up). So their position is that I can come downhill with the walk sign because there isn't any other signal, but you have to sit there and wait until you can get in the way of / be run over by turning vehicles with an arrow? (Two blocks up I run the red every morning, to avoid a similar conflict with turning cars that have green at the same time.) Someone needs to talk to this CO. Just because a person has (undoubtedly) complained about the bicycles doesn't mean they get to exploit faults in the intersection to give everyone riding one a ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: Nora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I GOT a ticket this morning at Tillary and Adams - the cops are doing enforcement there today and tomorrow (Friday 10/24) so DON&#039;T ride across Adams to get to the bike path unless you&#039;re doing it on the green arrow.  

I actually got a summons, but the cop (of course) told me he won&#039;t show up so if I go to court it will get dropped.  To their credit, the cops weren&#039;t happy at all about being out there, and apologized to me for ticketing me. Said their CO was making them do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I GOT a ticket this morning at Tillary and Adams - the cops are doing enforcement there today and tomorrow (Friday 10/24) so DON'T ride across Adams to get to the bike path unless you're doing it on the green arrow.  </p>
<p>I actually got a summons, but the cop (of course) told me he won't show up so if I go to court it will get dropped.  To their credit, the cops weren't happy at all about being out there, and apologized to me for ticketing me. Said their CO was making them do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sign may be gone, but the PD was writing up some ladies at that spot as I passed this morning, apparently taking advantage of the fact that it isn&#039;t possible to ride from one bike path to the other without going through a crosswalk (because of the weird curb, at this would-be intersection of bike paths). There is usually a patrol car there, morning and night, though I have never seen them ticket queue-jumping cars from the bridge that run the red left turn signal or stop and wait plump in the crosswalk (depending on how reckless the driver is feeling that day). I guess the police are parked there mostly to harass the terrible, terrible people riding bicycles to and from work. (As the Manhattan Bridge bicycle approach doesn&#039;t have a traffic violation built into it, I haven&#039;t yet enjoyed the PD&#039;s generous services.)

Ms. Sadik-Khan: tear down this weird curb!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sign may be gone, but the PD was writing up some ladies at that spot as I passed this morning, apparently taking advantage of the fact that it isn't possible to ride from one bike path to the other without going through a crosswalk (because of the weird curb, at this would-be intersection of bike paths). There is usually a patrol car there, morning and night, though I have never seen them ticket queue-jumping cars from the bridge that run the red left turn signal or stop and wait plump in the crosswalk (depending on how reckless the driver is feeling that day). I guess the police are parked there mostly to harass the terrible, terrible people riding bicycles to and from work. (As the Manhattan Bridge bicycle approach doesn't have a traffic violation built into it, I haven't yet enjoyed the PD's generous services.)</p>
<p>Ms. Sadik-Khan: tear down this weird curb!</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Eckerson Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarence Eckerson Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I saw the signs were gone on Sunday morning returning from running the Staten Island half marathon.</description>
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		<title>By: m to the i</title>
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		<dc:creator>m to the i</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday, I looked up to find the signs telling cyclists to dismount mysteriously gone.  Wonder what happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, I looked up to find the signs telling cyclists to dismount mysteriously gone.  Wonder what happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I looked for this sign while commuting in this morning. As described, it&#039;s 10 feet from the end.&quot;

I found it also.  No cyclist would ever see it in that location, unless they were looking up for a sign.  You just don&#039;t look up and to the right while riding, expecially when the traffic (pedestrians) is on the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I looked for this sign while commuting in this morning. As described, it's 10 feet from the end."</p>
<p>I found it also.  No cyclist would ever see it in that location, unless they were looking up for a sign.  You just don't look up and to the right while riding, expecially when the traffic (pedestrians) is on the left.</p>
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		<title>By: maeve</title>
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		<dc:creator>maeve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessica, you&#039;re complaining about wayward cyclists while jogging at a mass cycling event? You&#039;re doing the wrong activity at the given moment that happens. As someone who rides across the bridge almost everyday and a resident next to the bridge, the real problem is the path isn&#039;t wide enough and no matter how fast or slow a bike is going, it&#039;s still going faster than any pedestrian. I never hesitate to yell at anybody crossing into the bike path ahead of me even as I have my brakes on. Fact is even with brakes applied the whole way down the bridge, a bike still has speed unless they will eventually want cyclists to walk the whole length. I would be nervous to ride on the roadway unless they built a solid barrier between the cars and bikes. There is a lot of work to be done on making downtown manhattan and downtown brooklyn safer for cyclists. The curb idea at the end is a good idea as well, it does need to be sloped or redesigned. Half the problem with that intersection is the enforcement by the cops, my co-op has worked actively to help change that for pedestrian safety (cops waving traffic through red lights while pedestrians young or old didn&#039;t have a shot of making the light). Bicyclists aren&#039;t dwindling so the city will be forced to deal with this sooner rather than later</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessica, you're complaining about wayward cyclists while jogging at a mass cycling event? You're doing the wrong activity at the given moment that happens. As someone who rides across the bridge almost everyday and a resident next to the bridge, the real problem is the path isn't wide enough and no matter how fast or slow a bike is going, it's still going faster than any pedestrian. I never hesitate to yell at anybody crossing into the bike path ahead of me even as I have my brakes on. Fact is even with brakes applied the whole way down the bridge, a bike still has speed unless they will eventually want cyclists to walk the whole length. I would be nervous to ride on the roadway unless they built a solid barrier between the cars and bikes. There is a lot of work to be done on making downtown manhattan and downtown brooklyn safer for cyclists. The curb idea at the end is a good idea as well, it does need to be sloped or redesigned. Half the problem with that intersection is the enforcement by the cops, my co-op has worked actively to help change that for pedestrian safety (cops waving traffic through red lights while pedestrians young or old didn't have a shot of making the light). Bicyclists aren't dwindling so the city will be forced to deal with this sooner rather than later</p>
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		<title>By: Fendergal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fendergal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I regard all signs that require cyclists to dismount as a useless means of traffic control thought up by non-cyclists. It does nothing to ease flow. Cyclists are stopping, throwing their leg over their bike in what is possibly a crowded area, walking their bike (which makes their &quot;footprint&quot; wider, and then remounting the bike. I think the better solution is for people to ride slow, scoot along with one foot on the ground. 

But what do I know, I&#039;m just one of those asshole cyclists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I regard all signs that require cyclists to dismount as a useless means of traffic control thought up by non-cyclists. It does nothing to ease flow. Cyclists are stopping, throwing their leg over their bike in what is possibly a crowded area, walking their bike (which makes their "footprint" wider, and then remounting the bike. I think the better solution is for people to ride slow, scoot along with one foot on the ground. </p>
<p>But what do I know, I'm just one of those asshole cyclists.</p>
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		<title>By: m to the i</title>
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		<dc:creator>m to the i</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a reasonable request.  You can&#039;t say that a bus is accessible to the handicapped just because there is space on the bus for them if they are forced to get out of their wheelchairs and climb up the steps.  Likewise, you can&#039;t say that a bike path is accessible for cyclists if you force cyclists to get off of their bikes.  

This is a problem that is found all over the city on so-called bike paths and routes with dangerous consequences.  For example, the bike path south of Chambers Street is currently inaccessible to cyclists so they are forced to ride on the West Side Highway.  There was no attempt to accommodate cyclists during construction only to force them to dismount.  This is also the case on the Brooklyn Bridge where the easiest solution is to make the bridge inaccessible to bikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a reasonable request.  You can't say that a bus is accessible to the handicapped just because there is space on the bus for them if they are forced to get out of their wheelchairs and climb up the steps.  Likewise, you can't say that a bike path is accessible for cyclists if you force cyclists to get off of their bikes.  </p>
<p>This is a problem that is found all over the city on so-called bike paths and routes with dangerous consequences.  For example, the bike path south of Chambers Street is currently inaccessible to cyclists so they are forced to ride on the West Side Highway.  There was no attempt to accommodate cyclists during construction only to force them to dismount.  This is also the case on the Brooklyn Bridge where the easiest solution is to make the bridge inaccessible to bikes.</p>
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		<title>By: Sainsbury</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/nypd-issuing-warnings-to-brooklyn-bridge-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-56286</link>
		<dc:creator>Sainsbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked for this sign while commuting in this morning. As described, it&#039;s 10 feet from the end. While, I&#039;ve never stopped or been asked to stop and walk, it makes sense. It&#039;s that awkward 10 feet where cyclists and pedestrians are figuring out there are separate lanes, avoiding cyclists and pedestrians coming off the bridge, and getting to the side they belong. In light of the recent bicycle incidents and 9/11 events, the NYPD is probably just trying to sort people so they don&#039;t get in each others way, or at least are going slow enough to figure out how to move out of the way.

Sure, it&#039;s an inconvenient 10 feet, but not entirely unreasonable.

I wonder. Now that 9/11 has passed and the tourists are dwindling, if the NYPD will continue to enforce these 10 feet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked for this sign while commuting in this morning. As described, it's 10 feet from the end. While, I've never stopped or been asked to stop and walk, it makes sense. It's that awkward 10 feet where cyclists and pedestrians are figuring out there are separate lanes, avoiding cyclists and pedestrians coming off the bridge, and getting to the side they belong. In light of the recent bicycle incidents and 9/11 events, the NYPD is probably just trying to sort people so they don't get in each others way, or at least are going slow enough to figure out how to move out of the way.</p>
<p>Sure, it's an inconvenient 10 feet, but not entirely unreasonable.</p>
<p>I wonder. Now that 9/11 has passed and the tourists are dwindling, if the NYPD will continue to enforce these 10 feet?</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Barnett</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/nypd-issuing-warnings-to-brooklyn-bridge-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-56285</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessica, I&#039;m often tempted to complain about runners on the bridge (I hope you do at least glance back if running deep into the bike lane to pass a clump of walkers). I often wonder how the bridge is their best place to exercise, with all the tourists out enjoying the landmark and the bicycle commuters taking their safest route home.

But all runners are not the same, and I&#039;m going to assume you&#039;re one of the good ones. The bridge is a beautiful place for us to enjoy, and (my) rule #1 for being a good cyclist or runner in any shared space is to be willing to stop at any time. It sucks to be thrown off your rhythm, but that is life. Rule number #2 is to look before changing direction, and #3 is to stay within your designated space when possible. Sure, if everyone followed rules #2 and #3 we would not need #1, but there is no training school for walking, running, biking, or photographing the bridge pathway, and there is not, yet, any lane available on the lower bridge for bikes. Basically, we have to get along in spite of the fact that people are imperfect.

You are here to remind bikers that they are vehicles under the law?—actually, my bike is the vehicle, when it&#039;s on a road governed by traffic laws, but I&#039;m still a human being. Being recognized as such is part of respect going both ways—let&#039;s do share the &lt;i&gt;path&lt;/i&gt;.

And back to the topic here, last night I decided to take B.B. home and walk my bike at Tillary where the blessed sign says to. And I realized something: you may as well walk at that point because, if continuing down Brooklyn Bridge Boulevard&#039;s (deadly) bike lane, you&#039;re going to have to wait another half minute for the light anyway. So, from now on, unless I arrive with a ticking &quot;walk&quot; and a clear path across (which is rare, because the bridge autos get 90% of that cycle), I&#039;ll step off my bike instead of straddling it and stroll when the walk comes up instead of coasting. I maintain that it makes zero difference to anyone&#039;s safety (and isn&#039;t really any of their business), but if it makes signage fans happy I&#039;ll do my best to comply.

Anyone else willing to compromise from either end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessica, I'm often tempted to complain about runners on the bridge (I hope you do at least glance back if running deep into the bike lane to pass a clump of walkers). I often wonder how the bridge is their best place to exercise, with all the tourists out enjoying the landmark and the bicycle commuters taking their safest route home.</p>
<p>But all runners are not the same, and I'm going to assume you're one of the good ones. The bridge is a beautiful place for us to enjoy, and (my) rule #1 for being a good cyclist or runner in any shared space is to be willing to stop at any time. It sucks to be thrown off your rhythm, but that is life. Rule number #2 is to look before changing direction, and #3 is to stay within your designated space when possible. Sure, if everyone followed rules #2 and #3 we would not need #1, but there is no training school for walking, running, biking, or photographing the bridge pathway, and there is not, yet, any lane available on the lower bridge for bikes. Basically, we have to get along in spite of the fact that people are imperfect.</p>
<p>You are here to remind bikers that they are vehicles under the law?—actually, my bike is the vehicle, when it's on a road governed by traffic laws, but I'm still a human being. Being recognized as such is part of respect going both ways—let's do share the <i>path</i>.</p>
<p>And back to the topic here, last night I decided to take B.B. home and walk my bike at Tillary where the blessed sign says to. And I realized something: you may as well walk at that point because, if continuing down Brooklyn Bridge Boulevard's (deadly) bike lane, you're going to have to wait another half minute for the light anyway. So, from now on, unless I arrive with a ticking "walk" and a clear path across (which is rare, because the bridge autos get 90% of that cycle), I'll step off my bike instead of straddling it and stroll when the walk comes up instead of coasting. I maintain that it makes zero difference to anyone's safety (and isn't really any of their business), but if it makes signage fans happy I'll do my best to comply.</p>
<p>Anyone else willing to compromise from either end?</p>
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