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	<title>Comments on: Does Summer Streets Need a &#8220;Fast Lane&#8221;?</title>
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		<title>By: galvo</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/08/18/does-summer-streets-need-a-fast-lane/comment-page-2/#comment-55397</link>
		<dc:creator>galvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term “fast” or cruising/casual speeds for the purpose of  summer streets needs to be better defined. Many cyclist can easily go over 20 mph, and normally do when riding.
imo 20 mph is way to fast for the summer streets setting.
 Bicyclist should be keeping to a speed under 10 mph when the roadway has a lot of peds.
This keeps the need for cyclist to be calling it out to a minimum and using a polite “inside” voice.
It is unsettling to peds to continuously hear “on your right” “on your left” as they try to walk down the road.  As I stated before peds should be walking facing the cyclist, this makes it less stressful for peds and facing the bicyclist enables eye contact,(Ipod Town) which also prevents collisions  
 As congestion increases, or when kids are around you have to be able to stop on a dime.
For me that is less than 7mph. 
Peds facing bicyclist also removes the anonymity and we see happy smiling  faces, which IMO causes people to be a bit more neighborly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term “fast” or cruising/casual speeds for the purpose of  summer streets needs to be better defined. Many cyclist can easily go over 20 mph, and normally do when riding.<br />
imo 20 mph is way to fast for the summer streets setting.<br />
 Bicyclist should be keeping to a speed under 10 mph when the roadway has a lot of peds.<br />
This keeps the need for cyclist to be calling it out to a minimum and using a polite “inside” voice.<br />
It is unsettling to peds to continuously hear “on your right” “on your left” as they try to walk down the road.  As I stated before peds should be walking facing the cyclist, this makes it less stressful for peds and facing the bicyclist enables eye contact,(Ipod Town) which also prevents collisions<br />
 As congestion increases, or when kids are around you have to be able to stop on a dime.<br />
For me that is less than 7mph.<br />
Peds facing bicyclist also removes the anonymity and we see happy smiling  faces, which IMO causes people to be a bit more neighborly.</p>
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		<title>By: jen petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>jen petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we of human-powered modes do best with each other when the absence of speed-designating lane markings send the signal that we&#039;re responsible to look out for each other...instead of looking for something to tell us how, we deal face-to-face and figure out how to flow together!

Speedy road cyclists are OF COURSE in need of places to go all out, but these mornings on Lafayette and Park are a gift of civic seamlessness, where the idea is to tie us together, NOT separate us out into pelatons and packs.  unfortunately, i missed this past week&#039;s event, but witnessed far more looking out for each other during the 8/9 events than it seems was witnessed by streetsblog readers here.  for a full report about why we cyclists and peds do fine without cars, from my experience on 8/9 see:

http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/08/12/summer-streets-bikes-and-pedestrians-get-along-fine-without-cars/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we of human-powered modes do best with each other when the absence of speed-designating lane markings send the signal that we're responsible to look out for each other...instead of looking for something to tell us how, we deal face-to-face and figure out how to flow together!</p>
<p>Speedy road cyclists are OF COURSE in need of places to go all out, but these mornings on Lafayette and Park are a gift of civic seamlessness, where the idea is to tie us together, NOT separate us out into pelatons and packs.  unfortunately, i missed this past week's event, but witnessed far more looking out for each other during the 8/9 events than it seems was witnessed by streetsblog readers here.  for a full report about why we cyclists and peds do fine without cars, from my experience on 8/9 see:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/08/12/summer-streets-bikes-and-pedestrians-get-along-fine-without-cars/" rel="nofollow">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/08/12/summer-streets-bikes-and-pedestrians-get-along-fine-without-cars/</a></p>
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		<title>By: do you smell bacon?</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/08/18/does-summer-streets-need-a-fast-lane/comment-page-2/#comment-55315</link>
		<dc:creator>do you smell bacon?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that this was supposed to be a group exercise in remapping the possibilities of the city landscape.  Why would we prematurely ruin it by imposing the exact same quasi hierarchical order of traffic modes that so burdens the city most of the time?  What has caused the warped perceptions that allow us to even consider this a traffic problem?

I went both days, and like most of the incredibly thoughtful posters that regularly appear here I was a bit dismayed at the extent to which faster cyclists seem to be slowly taking over the street.  But I am far more worried about the pork, the totally unnecessary overtime for the boys and girls in blue, that may keep this baby from being sustainable.  More silly cones and rules will inevitably lead to calls for a constant if not heavier police presence.  The sooner the NYPD switches from a crowd control mode to an everyday enforcement, ticket writing (bikes off sidewalks, yield to peds) and revenue generating mentality the better.  My suspicion is that most of the fast cyclists are fairly new to riding in the city and will eventually figure out what its all about and that they can do the entire distance at a very leisurely pace and still make their brunch appointments.

I am still awed by the sheer number of novice (&#039;I would ride, but&#039;) cyclists, the children sitting and drawing with chalk in the middle of Park Avenue and the political masterstroke that this may represent in terms of defusing the confrontation between critical mass and the police.  If the slope from Grand Central going downtown is a problem in terms of speed perhaps the tunnel should be opened up for our inner zoobomber?  If this is going to continue, the wrong way, running against the lights on the downtown bound stretch of 4th/Lafayette/Centre should probably be addressed at still open crosstreets in a clearer, more understandable and reliable way than cops on overtime or volunteer marshalls.  Whatever you do, don&#039;t pinch me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that this was supposed to be a group exercise in remapping the possibilities of the city landscape.  Why would we prematurely ruin it by imposing the exact same quasi hierarchical order of traffic modes that so burdens the city most of the time?  What has caused the warped perceptions that allow us to even consider this a traffic problem?</p>
<p>I went both days, and like most of the incredibly thoughtful posters that regularly appear here I was a bit dismayed at the extent to which faster cyclists seem to be slowly taking over the street.  But I am far more worried about the pork, the totally unnecessary overtime for the boys and girls in blue, that may keep this baby from being sustainable.  More silly cones and rules will inevitably lead to calls for a constant if not heavier police presence.  The sooner the NYPD switches from a crowd control mode to an everyday enforcement, ticket writing (bikes off sidewalks, yield to peds) and revenue generating mentality the better.  My suspicion is that most of the fast cyclists are fairly new to riding in the city and will eventually figure out what its all about and that they can do the entire distance at a very leisurely pace and still make their brunch appointments.</p>
<p>I am still awed by the sheer number of novice ('I would ride, but') cyclists, the children sitting and drawing with chalk in the middle of Park Avenue and the political masterstroke that this may represent in terms of defusing the confrontation between critical mass and the police.  If the slope from Grand Central going downtown is a problem in terms of speed perhaps the tunnel should be opened up for our inner zoobomber?  If this is going to continue, the wrong way, running against the lights on the downtown bound stretch of 4th/Lafayette/Centre should probably be addressed at still open crosstreets in a clearer, more understandable and reliable way than cops on overtime or volunteer marshalls.  Whatever you do, don't pinch me.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Trafford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Trafford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Summer Streets, as it stands, is no more than an extension of the Central Park training loop.  If it is really supposed to promote meandering, strolling, wandering, rambling, promenading, chilling out etc, the following things need to happen:

* Get rid of the connection between Central Park and Summer Streets
* Move Summer Streets to a street where there is actually a reason to go for a slow wander.  A bunch of office buildings hardly promotes strolling and window-shopping.  Unless you want to look at the beautiful dinosaurs in the Ferrari dealership, and that kinda goes against the whole point of Summer Streets.  If we can&#039;t have Summer Streets somewhere with shops &amp; attractions, then import them.  Food/drink/vendors on the closed off side streets would be a good start.  At the moment the only reason to stop is the artificial &quot;rest stops&quot; and all you get there is &#039;conductorcise&#039; demonstrations.  Wow...  
* Set up a beer garden somewhere so we can sit and relax over a pint.  And have big-screen TVs showing the Tour de France or Olympic cycling.  Go Team GB!!!
* Portaloos!
* How about leaving Park Ave for the cyclists and shutting down Bleeker for the pedestrians?
* And for the cycling participants:  Slow down, chill out, relax, and let the pedestrians cross the street occasionally!!  Leave the TT bike at home and break out the beach cruiser. 

I had fun.  I&#039;ll go again on Saturday and have fun again.  It&#039;s not as bad as some people are making out.  Sure there are quite a few bikes out, but that just shows how much this city is crying out for safe places to ride.  The only places I really saw crowds of people was when they bunched up at cross-streets that were still open.  Take a look at my pics at http://www.flickr.com/photos/depechetraff and you&#039;ll see that there&#039;s plenty of room for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Summer Streets, as it stands, is no more than an extension of the Central Park training loop.  If it is really supposed to promote meandering, strolling, wandering, rambling, promenading, chilling out etc, the following things need to happen:</p>
<p>* Get rid of the connection between Central Park and Summer Streets<br />
* Move Summer Streets to a street where there is actually a reason to go for a slow wander.  A bunch of office buildings hardly promotes strolling and window-shopping.  Unless you want to look at the beautiful dinosaurs in the Ferrari dealership, and that kinda goes against the whole point of Summer Streets.  If we can't have Summer Streets somewhere with shops &amp; attractions, then import them.  Food/drink/vendors on the closed off side streets would be a good start.  At the moment the only reason to stop is the artificial "rest stops" and all you get there is 'conductorcise' demonstrations.  Wow...<br />
* Set up a beer garden somewhere so we can sit and relax over a pint.  And have big-screen TVs showing the Tour de France or Olympic cycling.  Go Team GB!!!<br />
* Portaloos!<br />
* How about leaving Park Ave for the cyclists and shutting down Bleeker for the pedestrians?<br />
* And for the cycling participants:  Slow down, chill out, relax, and let the pedestrians cross the street occasionally!!  Leave the TT bike at home and break out the beach cruiser. </p>
<p>I had fun.  I'll go again on Saturday and have fun again.  It's not as bad as some people are making out.  Sure there are quite a few bikes out, but that just shows how much this city is crying out for safe places to ride.  The only places I really saw crowds of people was when they bunched up at cross-streets that were still open.  Take a look at my pics at <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/depechetraff" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/depechetraff</a> and you'll see that there's plenty of room for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There should be a way to allow all cyclists ( fast and slow ) to share the road. Sometimes one have to get someplace fast because he/she is late for something. Or just wanna a good workout. You can&#039;t fault the fast cyclists out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There should be a way to allow all cyclists ( fast and slow ) to share the road. Sometimes one have to get someplace fast because he/she is late for something. Or just wanna a good workout. You can't fault the fast cyclists out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Spud Spudly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spud Spudly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may have been &quot;modeled&quot; on Ciclovia, but it&#039;s not Ciclovia, it&#039;s Summer Streets.  DOT&#039;s Web site calls it &quot;part bike tour, part block party.&quot;  Fine, but you can&#039;t have a bike tour through a block party.  So separate the two.  

But all in all it&#039;s a great event that should take place every weekend on more streets than just Park Avenue.  On Saturday the kid and I made the most of closed streets.  We walked down Park and then came back up to a street fair on Washington Square North, then up through another street fair on Sixth Avenue between 14th and 23rd.  Three large stretches of closed streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may have been "modeled" on Ciclovia, but it's not Ciclovia, it's Summer Streets.  DOT's Web site calls it "part bike tour, part block party."  Fine, but you can't have a bike tour through a block party.  So separate the two.  </p>
<p>But all in all it's a great event that should take place every weekend on more streets than just Park Avenue.  On Saturday the kid and I made the most of closed streets.  We walked down Park and then came back up to a street fair on Washington Square North, then up through another street fair on Sixth Avenue between 14th and 23rd.  Three large stretches of closed streets.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/08/18/does-summer-streets-need-a-fast-lane/comment-page-2/#comment-55286</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since pedestrians can walk &quot;all&quot; the time safely on the sidewalks, I saw this as a bike orientated closure.  Clearly anyone who is a serious biker would do well to avoid this mess.  Many bikers are morons who ride way too fast for the conditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since pedestrians can walk "all" the time safely on the sidewalks, I saw this as a bike orientated closure.  Clearly anyone who is a serious biker would do well to avoid this mess.  Many bikers are morons who ride way too fast for the conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry!  The link is: &lt;a&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELa5CHsUepo&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry!  The link is: <a>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELa5CHsUepo</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to link to the Ciclovia Streetfilm in the previous comment, but the link didn&#039;t work.  The URL is http://theslowbicycle.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to link to the Ciclovia Streetfilm in the previous comment, but the link didn't work.  The URL is <a href="http://theslowbicycle.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://theslowbicycle.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/08/18/does-summer-streets-need-a-fast-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-55283</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mazewalker:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I noticed that someone claimed early in this post that this event wasn&#039;t meant to create a high speed bike avenue. The event is modeled after the colombian event, &quot;Ciclovia.&quot; As you can tell it was intended to give the street over to bicyclists.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ciclovia in Bogota is primarily for bicycles, but the bikes go pretty slowly; it&#039;s a leisurely, family-oriented event.  Take a look at the &lt;a&gt;Streetfilm&lt;/a&gt; on the subject; most of the bikers are ambling along and mixing pretty easily with the pedestrians and skaters.

I admire high-performance bikes and bikers who can go really fast, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://theslowbicycle.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;slow bikers&lt;/a&gt; deserve respect too, and Summerstreets may be one place to give them that respect.  If there&#039;s no place to ride fast in Manhattan, that&#039;s a problem, but maybe it needs to be dealt with at another location.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mazewalker:</p>
<blockquote><p>I noticed that someone claimed early in this post that this event wasn't meant to create a high speed bike avenue. The event is modeled after the colombian event, "Ciclovia." As you can tell it was intended to give the street over to bicyclists.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ciclovia in Bogota is primarily for bicycles, but the bikes go pretty slowly; it's a leisurely, family-oriented event.  Take a look at the <a>Streetfilm</a> on the subject; most of the bikers are ambling along and mixing pretty easily with the pedestrians and skaters.</p>
<p>I admire high-performance bikes and bikers who can go really fast, but <a href="http://theslowbicycle.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">slow bikers</a> deserve respect too, and Summerstreets may be one place to give them that respect.  If there's no place to ride fast in Manhattan, that's a problem, but maybe it needs to be dealt with at another location.</p>
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		<title>By: mike  pidel</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike  pidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one item  i haven&#039;t  seen mentioned so far. In real life runners and pedestrians walking or running on the roadway  would run facing car traffic.
 Bicyclist should be traveling the same direction as  car traffic.
With summer streets a lot of  peds were walking with their back to bicyclist direction of travel. TheY may have been herded in that direction, but that is not the normal mode.
Central park has the runners facing the bicyclists in the rec lanes.
if i was a pedestrian i would  feel more comfortable with bicycle traffic   coming at me.
mike pidel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one item  i haven't  seen mentioned so far. In real life runners and pedestrians walking or running on the roadway  would run facing car traffic.<br />
 Bicyclist should be traveling the same direction as  car traffic.<br />
With summer streets a lot of  peds were walking with their back to bicyclist direction of travel. TheY may have been herded in that direction, but that is not the normal mode.<br />
Central park has the runners facing the bicyclists in the rec lanes.<br />
if i was a pedestrian i would  feel more comfortable with bicycle traffic   coming at me.<br />
mike pidel</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Trafford</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/08/18/does-summer-streets-need-a-fast-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-55281</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Trafford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the main problem with Summer Streets is the location and the resultant confusion over what Summer Streets is actually trying to be. There needs to be more STUFF going on.  Quite honestly, as it stands, Summer Streets is just an extension of the Central Park training loop.  The only real reason to walk or ride up and down Park Ave is to get exercise, or just because it&#039;s a novelty.  I didn&#039;t really see many people stopping to window-shop (except at the Ferrari dealership, which kinda goes against the whole point of Summer Streets!), there are no sidewalk cafes, no little boutiques, no real reason to stop and linger.  The only real stopping points were the so-called rest stops.  Rest stops??  Isn&#039;t the WHOLE of the route supposed to be a rest stop?  Can&#039;t people stop and start wherever they want?  Of course, if there&#039;s nowhere that people actually WANT to stop then you have to create artificial stop zones complete with &#039;attractions&#039; like Conductorcise demonstrations....   I&#039;m not trying to say that Summer Streets should be just another street fair with street vendors packed from sidewalk to sidewalk, but there really is no point giving the streets back to the people if the people have no reason to WANT the streets back.  Hey, maybe they need to keep Park for the cyclists, and open up Bleeker for what Summer Streets is *supposed* to be.  Or how about keeping Park open and having food/drink/vendors on closed side streets?

Anyway, I really enjoyed Saturday.  I ride a singlespeed mountain bike, so I was riding slow and just enjoying the day.  There were a LOT of runners out and about and a few fast cyclists, but it wasn&#039;t as bad as some people are making out.  Take a look at some of my pictures at http://www.flickr.com/photos/depechetraff/ - see, it&#039;s not overly crowded.  

Anyway, to sum up, here&#039;s a few suggestions for next year:

* Longer hours - 1pm is too early
* More things to do along the route - give people reasons to ride slow
* Remove connection to Central Park and resultant extension of training loop onto Summer Streets
* Portaloos!
* Set up a beer garden complete with big-screen TVs showing Olympic cycling (go Team GB!!) or Tour de France
* For participants - let people cross the street!!!  Chill out, slow down, smile, and let pedestrians cross.  It doesn&#039;t hurt to be considerate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the main problem with Summer Streets is the location and the resultant confusion over what Summer Streets is actually trying to be. There needs to be more STUFF going on.  Quite honestly, as it stands, Summer Streets is just an extension of the Central Park training loop.  The only real reason to walk or ride up and down Park Ave is to get exercise, or just because it's a novelty.  I didn't really see many people stopping to window-shop (except at the Ferrari dealership, which kinda goes against the whole point of Summer Streets!), there are no sidewalk cafes, no little boutiques, no real reason to stop and linger.  The only real stopping points were the so-called rest stops.  Rest stops??  Isn't the WHOLE of the route supposed to be a rest stop?  Can't people stop and start wherever they want?  Of course, if there's nowhere that people actually WANT to stop then you have to create artificial stop zones complete with 'attractions' like Conductorcise demonstrations....   I'm not trying to say that Summer Streets should be just another street fair with street vendors packed from sidewalk to sidewalk, but there really is no point giving the streets back to the people if the people have no reason to WANT the streets back.  Hey, maybe they need to keep Park for the cyclists, and open up Bleeker for what Summer Streets is *supposed* to be.  Or how about keeping Park open and having food/drink/vendors on closed side streets?</p>
<p>Anyway, I really enjoyed Saturday.  I ride a singlespeed mountain bike, so I was riding slow and just enjoying the day.  There were a LOT of runners out and about and a few fast cyclists, but it wasn't as bad as some people are making out.  Take a look at some of my pictures at <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/depechetraff/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/depechetraff/</a> - see, it's not overly crowded.  </p>
<p>Anyway, to sum up, here's a few suggestions for next year:</p>
<p>* Longer hours - 1pm is too early<br />
* More things to do along the route - give people reasons to ride slow<br />
* Remove connection to Central Park and resultant extension of training loop onto Summer Streets<br />
* Portaloos!<br />
* Set up a beer garden complete with big-screen TVs showing Olympic cycling (go Team GB!!) or Tour de France<br />
* For participants - let people cross the street!!!  Chill out, slow down, smile, and let pedestrians cross.  It doesn't hurt to be considerate.</p>
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		<title>By: Cary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The event was fantastic.  Unfortunatley, most of the slow cyclists were sitting in the left lane -- forcing a number of fast cyclists to cross the downtown/updown divider in order to pass comfortably and avoid close calls.

Uptown had a very different feel than downtown.  Uptown had far more space -- the barricades were a little unnecessary in the middle of the street.  However, the marshals warning of an upcoming red light were helpful in reminding me that cars were going to cross -- every 10 blocks or so when I was flying down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The event was fantastic.  Unfortunatley, most of the slow cyclists were sitting in the left lane -- forcing a number of fast cyclists to cross the downtown/updown divider in order to pass comfortably and avoid close calls.</p>
<p>Uptown had a very different feel than downtown.  Uptown had far more space -- the barricades were a little unnecessary in the middle of the street.  However, the marshals warning of an upcoming red light were helpful in reminding me that cars were going to cross -- every 10 blocks or so when I was flying down.</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/08/18/does-summer-streets-need-a-fast-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-55274</link>
		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of a chimpanzee documentary I saw once:  the chimps lived together relatively amicably until an overabundance of food was introduced by the researchers into their habitat. Then the chimps started fighting with each other over food that they had been able to share when it was more scarce.

The thing to remember is that for all the perceived injuries to interests in public space, it appears that there were no &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;real injuries&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;, or at least not any serious ones that got reported.  People bump into each other on streets and subways all the time, and its accepted as part of urban life.  This is a net gain, folks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of a chimpanzee documentary I saw once:  the chimps lived together relatively amicably until an overabundance of food was introduced by the researchers into their habitat. Then the chimps started fighting with each other over food that they had been able to share when it was more scarce.</p>
<p>The thing to remember is that for all the perceived injuries to interests in public space, it appears that there were no <b><i>real injuries</i></b>, or at least not any serious ones that got reported.  People bump into each other on streets and subways all the time, and its accepted as part of urban life.  This is a net gain, folks!</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Really though... there were a *lot* of newbie cyclists out there.&quot;
 
That&#039;s a good thing.  I&#039;ve really only gotten into this riding on the street as transportation thing for a little over a year.  And now my wife is getting into it. She&#039;s afraid of most places, but loved Summer Streets.

That&#039;s been the whole problem, hasn&#039;t it.  The streets are too unsafe for newbies and children on bicycles, and that limits bicycle transportation to die-hards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Really though... there were a *lot* of newbie cyclists out there."</p>
<p>That's a good thing.  I've really only gotten into this riding on the street as transportation thing for a little over a year.  And now my wife is getting into it. She's afraid of most places, but loved Summer Streets.</p>
<p>That's been the whole problem, hasn't it.  The streets are too unsafe for newbies and children on bicycles, and that limits bicycle transportation to die-hards.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got out to Summer Streets this past Saturday and I thought it was brilliant! 

Really though... there were a *lot* of newbie cyclists out there. People who probably don&#039;t ride much. It was crowded at times, so, of course, peds and anyone on wheels could very well run into issues. 

I think the real take home message of the day is that there are plenty of people who want to get out and run, bike, rollerblade, trikke, walk or something, but there just isn&#039;t enough real estate dedicated to this sort of activity. 

Fast lane, slow lane... whatever. Just start taking away motor lanes and give it back to the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got out to Summer Streets this past Saturday and I thought it was brilliant! </p>
<p>Really though... there were a *lot* of newbie cyclists out there. People who probably don't ride much. It was crowded at times, so, of course, peds and anyone on wheels could very well run into issues. </p>
<p>I think the real take home message of the day is that there are plenty of people who want to get out and run, bike, rollerblade, trikke, walk or something, but there just isn't enough real estate dedicated to this sort of activity. </p>
<p>Fast lane, slow lane... whatever. Just start taking away motor lanes and give it back to the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But that would have been safely barricaded off.  Plus it was on Staten Island.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that would have been safely barricaded off.  Plus it was on Staten Island.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/08/18/does-summer-streets-need-a-fast-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-55268</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we almost &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/04/28/car-fight/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;had a NASCAR track&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we almost <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/04/28/car-fight/" rel="nofollow">had a NASCAR track</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where are the streets in NYC for cars to race and see how fast they can go? Oh that&#039;s right, there aren&#039;t any. Why should a subset of cyclists assume they are entitled to a race track in the city?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where are the streets in NYC for cars to race and see how fast they can go? Oh that's right, there aren't any. Why should a subset of cyclists assume they are entitled to a race track in the city?</p>
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		<title>By: Mazewalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mazewalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed that someone claimed early in this post that this event wasn&#039;t meant to create a high speed bike avenue.  The event is modeled after the colombian event, &quot;Ciclovia.&quot;  As you can tell it was intended to give the street over to bicyclists.  

but in any case, the congestion and the discussion about how to share the space is a fantastic thing.  It creates a problem for lawmakers to look at, and feel important solving.  It highlights that there is pent up demand to serve people who do not prefer to drive on a saturday.  The solution is obvious:  make more space for bikers and pedestrians, and less for cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed that someone claimed early in this post that this event wasn't meant to create a high speed bike avenue.  The event is modeled after the colombian event, "Ciclovia."  As you can tell it was intended to give the street over to bicyclists.  </p>
<p>but in any case, the congestion and the discussion about how to share the space is a fantastic thing.  It creates a problem for lawmakers to look at, and feel important solving.  It highlights that there is pent up demand to serve people who do not prefer to drive on a saturday.  The solution is obvious:  make more space for bikers and pedestrians, and less for cars.</p>
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