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	<title>Comments on: Streetfilms: Summer Streets 2008</title>
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		<title>By: Andy Trafford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Trafford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t make it due to family junk, but it looks like I missed out on a great day!!   You can bet your sprockets I&#039;ll be there on the 16th!  And again on the 23rd when my wife and I are planning on doing Summer Streets and then the waterfalls...  

Anyway.  I&#039;m a wee bit troubled.  It&#039;s GREAT to get cars off the streets, but I can&#039;t help worrying that Summer Streets emphasizes recreation instead of transportation.  To be honest, I&#039;m scared that we might be giving ammunition to the miseries who tell cyclists to go ride in the park.  And will this be thrown in our faces next time we want a bike lane?  I don&#039;t want to hear &quot;No, you can&#039;t have a bike lane on Queens Blvd.  We already let you have Summer Streets, now go away and leave our roads alone.&quot;  I dunno...  I&#039;m not really sure how I feel.  Just a little uneasy.  Maybe I had too many Gummy Bears for lunch...

Feel free to stop me and say hello on Saturday.  I&#039;ll be on a black 29er singlespeed with yellow chain and yellow pedals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn't make it due to family junk, but it looks like I missed out on a great day!!   You can bet your sprockets I'll be there on the 16th!  And again on the 23rd when my wife and I are planning on doing Summer Streets and then the waterfalls...  </p>
<p>Anyway.  I'm a wee bit troubled.  It's GREAT to get cars off the streets, but I can't help worrying that Summer Streets emphasizes recreation instead of transportation.  To be honest, I'm scared that we might be giving ammunition to the miseries who tell cyclists to go ride in the park.  And will this be thrown in our faces next time we want a bike lane?  I don't want to hear "No, you can't have a bike lane on Queens Blvd.  We already let you have Summer Streets, now go away and leave our roads alone."  I dunno...  I'm not really sure how I feel.  Just a little uneasy.  Maybe I had too many Gummy Bears for lunch...</p>
<p>Feel free to stop me and say hello on Saturday.  I'll be on a black 29er singlespeed with yellow chain and yellow pedals.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan!</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/08/11/streetfilms-summer-streets-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-54921</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m pretty sure I saw some good dancing here, JP!</description>
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		<title>By: jen petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>jen petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Budnik&#039;s word was spot-on--it is INCREDIBLE what we people will do with a ribbon of asphalt-shaped possibility when automobiles clear out.  The ARTIST in us all got to come out and play alongside the walker, runner, cyclist, rollerblader.  how terrific to live in a city that endorses physical activity&#039;s artistic power of re-imagination!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Budnik's word was spot-on--it is INCREDIBLE what we people will do with a ribbon of asphalt-shaped possibility when automobiles clear out.  The ARTIST in us all got to come out and play alongside the walker, runner, cyclist, rollerblader.  how terrific to live in a city that endorses physical activity's artistic power of re-imagination!</p>
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		<title>By: CBrinkman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CBrinkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That looked amazing. Wish I could have been there. Thank you New York for having the courage to try something different. You have set the bar high. I&#039;m sure every city that opens their streets to people makes it eaiser for the next city to do the same.  I hope our two Sundays in SF (Aug 31 and Sept 14)can add to the general feeling that it&#039;s time to use the streets in a new and healthy way.  www.SundayStreetsSF.com  See you in the streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That looked amazing. Wish I could have been there. Thank you New York for having the courage to try something different. You have set the bar high. I'm sure every city that opens their streets to people makes it eaiser for the next city to do the same.  I hope our two Sundays in SF (Aug 31 and Sept 14)can add to the general feeling that it's time to use the streets in a new and healthy way.  <a href="http://www.SundayStreetsSF.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.SundayStreetsSF.com</a>  See you in the streets.</p>
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		<title>By: Slevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, Bloomberg and Sadik-Khan! What a great event. Who knew biking on 4th Ave near Union Square could be relaxing?  

I hear next year it&#039;s all day long?! (Or is that a rumor I just started?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, Bloomberg and Sadik-Khan! What a great event. Who knew biking on 4th Ave near Union Square could be relaxing?  </p>
<p>I hear next year it's all day long?! (Or is that a rumor I just started?)</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One of the things I loved is that the bicyclists &quot;got&quot; that it wasn&#039;t a race and it wasn&#039;t fitness training. The fitness guys were all on the CP loop or the West Side Greenway.&quot;

My wife and I rode up Park Avenue, around the CP Loop, and back down.  The one sad moment was seeing two people on the ground badly hurt on the east side of the CP loop.  It appeared that either two bicycles, or a bicycle and a jogger, had collided at high speed.

The issue is speed.  In Prospect Park the speed riders come out early, ride in a group, and have people posted at entrances to warn the pedestrains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"One of the things I loved is that the bicyclists "got" that it wasn't a race and it wasn't fitness training. The fitness guys were all on the CP loop or the West Side Greenway."</p>
<p>My wife and I rode up Park Avenue, around the CP Loop, and back down.  The one sad moment was seeing two people on the ground badly hurt on the east side of the CP loop.  It appeared that either two bicycles, or a bicycle and a jogger, had collided at high speed.</p>
<p>The issue is speed.  In Prospect Park the speed riders come out early, ride in a group, and have people posted at entrances to warn the pedestrains.</p>
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		<title>By: NoisyFisherman</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoisyFisherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was surprised at having a good time, I wasn&#039;t frustrated by the usual oblivious pedestrians, reckless or slow cyclist, in fact it made me relax, overall i found the entire ride back and forth pleasant, I even had a few conversations with officers-even they seem to be pleasant. 

Now back to reality</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was surprised at having a good time, I wasn't frustrated by the usual oblivious pedestrians, reckless or slow cyclist, in fact it made me relax, overall i found the entire ride back and forth pleasant, I even had a few conversations with officers-even they seem to be pleasant. </p>
<p>Now back to reality</p>
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		<title>By: Lars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mayor Bloomberg for Mayor!</description>
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		<title>By: NewYorkRules</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/08/11/streetfilms-summer-streets-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-54886</link>
		<dc:creator>NewYorkRules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JSK for mayor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JSK for mayor!</p>
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		<title>By: bikepower</title>
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		<dc:creator>bikepower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Summer Streets shows New Yorkers what this city can be without cars. People can see the dramatic quality of life difference with and without traffic. The air was clear, the streets were quiet, people could talk to each other without screaming. New Yorkers were chatting, flirting, exercising, having fun. It was a civic experience where people of this city shared the space that belongs to us all equally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Summer Streets shows New Yorkers what this city can be without cars. People can see the dramatic quality of life difference with and without traffic. The air was clear, the streets were quiet, people could talk to each other without screaming. New Yorkers were chatting, flirting, exercising, having fun. It was a civic experience where people of this city shared the space that belongs to us all equally.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaywalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaywalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I jogged and walked in street clothes from 52nd street down to City Hall, stopping along the way to take pictures and otherwise just enjoy being in the middle of the street.  I found it particularly interesting how I saw people stayed (walking, running, biking) on the right side of the road instinctively even w/ all that space on Park Avenue.  

Of course, the bicyclists I encountered had no problem with me being on &quot;wrong&quot; side of the road as the pace was leisurely and everyone just went around me naturally.

I also went into the Park Ave. Tunnel (actually, Murray Hill Tunnel) to take pictures.  Was surprised I didn&#039;t see anyone even if just for the novelty. 

Oh well.  I want to see more of this and with better hours! START at 10 or around there and then leave it till dusk. Then again, a good jog does cure a hangover!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I jogged and walked in street clothes from 52nd street down to City Hall, stopping along the way to take pictures and otherwise just enjoy being in the middle of the street.  I found it particularly interesting how I saw people stayed (walking, running, biking) on the right side of the road instinctively even w/ all that space on Park Avenue.  </p>
<p>Of course, the bicyclists I encountered had no problem with me being on "wrong" side of the road as the pace was leisurely and everyone just went around me naturally.</p>
<p>I also went into the Park Ave. Tunnel (actually, Murray Hill Tunnel) to take pictures.  Was surprised I didn't see anyone even if just for the novelty. </p>
<p>Oh well.  I want to see more of this and with better hours! START at 10 or around there and then leave it till dusk. Then again, a good jog does cure a hangover!</p>
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		<title>By: momos</title>
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		<dc:creator>momos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so curious about pedestrian/bike counts on Summer Streets Saturdays versus non-Summer Streets Saturdays. I hope DOT or Trans Alt is studying this. Such data could be invaluable in winning over businesses and making the case for closing Prince Street to cars, for example, or shrinking the number of car lanes on 42nd St.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm so curious about pedestrian/bike counts on Summer Streets Saturdays versus non-Summer Streets Saturdays. I hope DOT or Trans Alt is studying this. Such data could be invaluable in winning over businesses and making the case for closing Prince Street to cars, for example, or shrinking the number of car lanes on 42nd St.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Eckerson Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarence Eckerson Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was so much fun for me and I saw so many people.  Actually made it difficult to work.  

It will only get more fun this Saturday when I don&#039;t bring the camera.  Okay....I&#039;ll only bring a point and shoot...I didn&#039;t get as many good photos as I wanted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was so much fun for me and I saw so many people.  Actually made it difficult to work.  </p>
<p>It will only get more fun this Saturday when I don't bring the camera.  Okay....I'll only bring a point and shoot...I didn't get as many good photos as I wanted.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BicyclesOnly - I thought police tended to get a bit heavy handed in directing bicycle traffic, both stopping and pulling, particularly at downtown intersections like Canal Street and Foley Square. 

I couldn&#039;t help but wonder how many pedestrians might find this intimidating if Police felt it was necessary to exercise crowd control at each major intersection.

By comparison, Police seemed to take a much more relaxed role as one moved uptown. There were even Bicycle Cops  in the East Sixties and Seventies.

But above all, it was a wonderful experience and I can&#039;t wait until next Saturday. I certainly hope DOT will make this a regular warm weather event and consider expanding it to include more of the City&#039;s great boulevards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BicyclesOnly - I thought police tended to get a bit heavy handed in directing bicycle traffic, both stopping and pulling, particularly at downtown intersections like Canal Street and Foley Square. </p>
<p>I couldn't help but wonder how many pedestrians might find this intimidating if Police felt it was necessary to exercise crowd control at each major intersection.</p>
<p>By comparison, Police seemed to take a much more relaxed role as one moved uptown. There were even Bicycle Cops  in the East Sixties and Seventies.</p>
<p>But above all, it was a wonderful experience and I can't wait until next Saturday. I certainly hope DOT will make this a regular warm weather event and consider expanding it to include more of the City's great boulevards.</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
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		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things I loved is that the bicyclists &quot;got&quot; that it wasn&#039;t a race and it wasn&#039;t fitness training.  Even the small groups of friends cycling together were merely touring.  I think it was because there was no dedicated cyclist space that all the cyclists recognized they had to go slowly and avoid conflicts with pedestrians.  The fitness guys were all on the CP loop or the West Side Greenway.

Some pedestrians were uneasy with this state of affairs and wanted cyclists to stop at the traffic lights that were not in effect (i.e., at the instersections where intersecting traffic was blocked).  Those pedestrians were &quot;missing it.&quot;  Without traffic lights, people had to look at each other, communicate with each other, cooperate with each other.  I took every opportunity to grow these traffic interactions into non-traffic pleasantries, like &quot;have fun!&quot; and &quot;isn&#039;t this great?&quot;  I generally received very positive responses.  Presto, an exponential increase in NYC civic culture! It&#039;s easy!  The folks who can&#039;t deal with this are clinging to the NYC of the 1970s and 1980s, when it was taboo to  meet eyes with or speak to strangers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things I loved is that the bicyclists "got" that it wasn't a race and it wasn't fitness training.  Even the small groups of friends cycling together were merely touring.  I think it was because there was no dedicated cyclist space that all the cyclists recognized they had to go slowly and avoid conflicts with pedestrians.  The fitness guys were all on the CP loop or the West Side Greenway.</p>
<p>Some pedestrians were uneasy with this state of affairs and wanted cyclists to stop at the traffic lights that were not in effect (i.e., at the instersections where intersecting traffic was blocked).  Those pedestrians were "missing it."  Without traffic lights, people had to look at each other, communicate with each other, cooperate with each other.  I took every opportunity to grow these traffic interactions into non-traffic pleasantries, like "have fun!" and "isn't this great?"  I generally received very positive responses.  Presto, an exponential increase in NYC civic culture! It's easy!  The folks who can't deal with this are clinging to the NYC of the 1970s and 1980s, when it was taboo to  meet eyes with or speak to strangers.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Rockatansky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Rockatansky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BicyclesOnly: That incident shows a failure of leadership on the part of the police - the same failure that leads to overreacting and assaulting bicyclists during Critical Mass. It&#039;s a real image boost for cyclists - we&#039;re real people, with jobs, and we pay taxes and stuff like that!

Christina: On the Separation of Pedestrians and Bicyclists - The overall pace of the open streets was fairly slow and meandering. I think it makes sense to separate bikes and peds when you&#039;re considering daily traffic flows but as an unique event, it seems to have worked fine. 

Angus: I was thinking the same thing (traffic counts), there were so many people on the street it could be a real plus for businesses. I imagine restaurants in particular could really bring in a lot of people if they had outdoor seating. It would be much nicer than the bouquet of exhaust that usually greets al fresco diners!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BicyclesOnly: That incident shows a failure of leadership on the part of the police - the same failure that leads to overreacting and assaulting bicyclists during Critical Mass. It's a real image boost for cyclists - we're real people, with jobs, and we pay taxes and stuff like that!</p>
<p>Christina: On the Separation of Pedestrians and Bicyclists - The overall pace of the open streets was fairly slow and meandering. I think it makes sense to separate bikes and peds when you're considering daily traffic flows but as an unique event, it seems to have worked fine. </p>
<p>Angus: I was thinking the same thing (traffic counts), there were so many people on the street it could be a real plus for businesses. I imagine restaurants in particular could really bring in a lot of people if they had outdoor seating. It would be much nicer than the bouquet of exhaust that usually greets al fresco diners!</p>
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		<title>By: summerstreeter</title>
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		<dc:creator>summerstreeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey everybody -- if you loved summer streets, be sure to send good feedback to the DOT:  

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/summerstreets/html/contact/contact.shtml

And tell them to keep it going more often for longer hours next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey everybody -- if you loved summer streets, be sure to send good feedback to the DOT:  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/summerstreets/html/contact/contact.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/summerstreets/html/contact/contact.shtml</a></p>
<p>And tell them to keep it going more often for longer hours next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cristina, as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/08/08/summer-streets-the-wait-is-over/#comment-54833&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I wrote in another thread&lt;/a&gt;, I walked Summer Streets with my five-year-old son from 28th Street to 51st Street.  I was alert to any potential danger, but nothing happened.  Cyclists simply rode around us, no matter which side of the street we were on.

I think the main reason for separation of cyclists and pedestrians in other places is that there&#039;s just not much space.  Park Avenue is huge, so there was plenty of room for everyone.

Given the difference in how much space pedestrians, cyclists and cars take up, I&#039;d be interested to see any traffic counts.  I could imagine that more people per hour passed through Park Avenue on Saturday morning than on many weekdays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cristina, as <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/08/08/summer-streets-the-wait-is-over/#comment-54833" rel="nofollow">I wrote in another thread</a>, I walked Summer Streets with my five-year-old son from 28th Street to 51st Street.  I was alert to any potential danger, but nothing happened.  Cyclists simply rode around us, no matter which side of the street we were on.</p>
<p>I think the main reason for separation of cyclists and pedestrians in other places is that there's just not much space.  Park Avenue is huge, so there was plenty of room for everyone.</p>
<p>Given the difference in how much space pedestrians, cyclists and cars take up, I'd be interested to see any traffic counts.  I could imagine that more people per hour passed through Park Avenue on Saturday morning than on many weekdays.</p>
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		<title>By: ddart</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christina,
it all depends on the place and its design.  There are plenty of officially set up routes that don&#039;t separate bikes and peds.  These were just city streets where for a time no cars were allowed, and no rule separating bikes and peds was intended.  And, happily (and somewhat predictably), I for one didn&#039;t hear about any incidents resulting from the non-separation.  

Some places do separate bikes and peds, but plenty don&#039;t, and there&#039;s no policy that says all roads/paths must segregate bikes and peds.  In fact you&#039;ll even find different &quot;separate or not&quot; setups on the different East River bridges (well, the last time I rode them, at least).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christina,<br />
it all depends on the place and its design.  There are plenty of officially set up routes that don't separate bikes and peds.  These were just city streets where for a time no cars were allowed, and no rule separating bikes and peds was intended.  And, happily (and somewhat predictably), I for one didn't hear about any incidents resulting from the non-separation.  </p>
<p>Some places do separate bikes and peds, but plenty don't, and there's no policy that says all roads/paths must segregate bikes and peds.  In fact you'll even find different "separate or not" setups on the different East River bridges (well, the last time I rode them, at least).</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations NYC and Mayor Bloomberg. This event really sets a high standard for big cities across the country. We are looking forward to our first Ciclovia in San Francisco in a few weeks.

It&#039;s so nice to see the city back on its dancing feet. You all look so healthy and happy. And hardly any black clothing!

Lots of love from the West Coast.

- brian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations NYC and Mayor Bloomberg. This event really sets a high standard for big cities across the country. We are looking forward to our first Ciclovia in San Francisco in a few weeks.</p>
<p>It's so nice to see the city back on its dancing feet. You all look so healthy and happy. And hardly any black clothing!</p>
<p>Lots of love from the West Coast.</p>
<p>- brian</p>
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