Comments on: Plan for Grand Street Cycle Track Features New Design Treatment http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:01:47 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Kew http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-58488 Kew Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:54:35 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-58488 I live in grand and mott st. I'm just wondering, the parking lane on the right(next to the bike lane) is it a free parking for whole day. Right now the signs are pretty confusing. 1 sign says "NO STOPPING ANYTIME", the other one says "STREET CLEANING 3-6AM". If anyone know, please let me know. Thanks, Kew I live in grand and mott st. I'm just wondering, the parking lane on the right(next to the bike lane) is it a free parking for whole day. Right now the signs are pretty confusing. 1 sign says "NO STOPPING ANYTIME", the other one says "STREET CLEANING 3-6AM". If anyone know, please let me know. Thanks, Kew

]]> By: Paul http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-57774 Paul Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:37:59 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-57774 Great news. Cars in the city are the real death to people, livability and business. Even as an experienced cyclist, I could finally relax if we had cycle tracks like these all over the city. Great news. Cars in the city are the real death to people, livability and business. Even as an experienced cyclist, I could finally relax if we had cycle tracks like these all over the city.

]]> By: Mark Walker http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-56851 Mark Walker Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:40:51 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-56851 Traffic congestion in Manhattan comes from Manhattan and outer borough residents as well as the suburbs. The ones I resent the most are my fellow Manhattan residents. With all the options they've got, what's their excuse? Traffic congestion in Manhattan comes from Manhattan and outer borough residents as well as the suburbs. The ones I resent the most are my fellow Manhattan residents. With all the options they've got, what's their excuse?

]]> By: Bruce Lee http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-56850 Bruce Lee Sat, 27 Sep 2008 01:49:34 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-56850 Paul, Frankly, you are clueless. Traffic congestion is absolutely choking the life out of Chinatown's streets, killing neighborhood business and sickening the children who live there. A number of streets in Chinatown are top candidates for going car-free, pedestrian-only during certain times of the day, week or year. Chinatown businesses, residents and visitors would be tremendous beneficiaries of removing motor vehicles from their streets. Chinatown's neighborhood leaders need to get their heads out of the a$$'s and start experimenting with some car-free streets. Your neighborhood is a traffic sewer. No one wants to spend any time there. Paul, Frankly, you are clueless. Traffic congestion is absolutely choking the life out of Chinatown's streets, killing neighborhood business and sickening the children who live there. A number of streets in Chinatown are top candidates for going car-free, pedestrian-only during certain times of the day, week or year. Chinatown businesses, residents and visitors would be tremendous beneficiaries of removing motor vehicles from their streets. Chinatown's neighborhood leaders need to get their heads out of the a$$'s and start experimenting with some car-free streets. Your neighborhood is a traffic sewer. No one wants to spend any time there.

]]> By: Cap'n Transit http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-56849 Cap'n Transit Sat, 27 Sep 2008 01:04:37 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-56849 Of course no one wants to see Chinatown businesspeople lose money, Paul, but your argument contains a logical fallacy: <blockquote>Most traffic is generated by visitors to NYC, tourists, out of towners, and delivery vehicles. Taking the streets away from the vehicles to give to bicyclists will take away significantly from the businesses of Chinatown and make it virtually impossible for out of towners to visit.</blockquote> Just because most traffic is generated by visitors (as you assert; I have no independent confirmation of this) does not mean that most visitors come by car. You notice the visitors who come by car because they take up a lot more space. Of course no one wants to see Chinatown businesspeople lose money, Paul, but your argument contains a logical fallacy:

Most traffic is generated by visitors to NYC, tourists, out of towners, and delivery vehicles. Taking the streets away from the vehicles to give to bicyclists will take away significantly from the businesses of Chinatown and make it virtually impossible for out of towners to visit.

Just because most traffic is generated by visitors (as you assert; I have no independent confirmation of this) does not mean that most visitors come by car. You notice the visitors who come by car because they take up a lot more space.

]]> By: Chinatown Paul http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-56848 Chinatown Paul Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:15:55 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-56848 I applaud all those who are in favor of reducing emissions and pollutions but these new regulations and ideas in NYC and mostly Chinatown are post-productive for the New York City environment. We already have the largest transit system in the world. The amount of people bicycling is very low. The benefits of this type of system in a city as large as NY is not feasible. Most traffic is generated by visitors to NYC, tourists, out of towners, and delivery vehicles. Taking the streets away from the vehicles to give to bicyclists will take away significantly from the businesses of Chinatown and make it virtually impossible for out of towners to visit. The community is already suffering from high supply prices and is having a hard enough time keeping the cost of consumer goods down in this bad economy, but what the DOT is doing will help no one and destroy Chinatown. The city already destroyed much of Chinatowns appeal and business by cracking down on imitation goods on Canal Street. Seriously, Canal street was not taking business away from the like of Prada, Louis Vuitton, etc by making fakes. Everyone knew they were fakes. If they could afford the real ones, they would have bought it! Now, not only is the City and DOT trying to make ridiculous useless concrete islands in the middle of extremely busy intersections, they have taken away parking from many areas where parking is already rare. Where will everyone park? Do they want us to park in expensive garages? Mayor Bloomberg is a fool who doesn't think for the larger population, he only cares for the upper class rich folk. It is people like him that is making life for the middle and lower class impossible. The economy is destroyed because of people like him! Chinatown needs help! Pretty soon there will be no Chinatown. Chinatown lives on Tourism. All types of people come to shop, enjoy Dim Sum, good chinese food, etc. With reduced parking, lack of business, delay of deliveries, Chinatown's tourist revenue will not be enough and it will be shut down! Does anyone want to see this happen? Please help and voice your opinions to help Chinatown! I applaud all those who are in favor of reducing emissions and pollutions but these new regulations and ideas in NYC and mostly Chinatown are post-productive for the New York City environment. We already have the largest transit system in the world. The amount of people bicycling is very low. The benefits of this type of system in a city as large as NY is not feasible. Most traffic is generated by visitors to NYC, tourists, out of towners, and delivery vehicles. Taking the streets away from the vehicles to give to bicyclists will take away significantly from the businesses of Chinatown and make it virtually impossible for out of towners to visit. The community is already suffering from high supply prices and is having a hard enough time keeping the cost of consumer goods down in this bad economy, but what the DOT is doing will help no one and destroy Chinatown. The city already destroyed much of Chinatowns appeal and business by cracking down on imitation goods on Canal Street. Seriously, Canal street was not taking business away from the like of Prada, Louis Vuitton, etc by making fakes. Everyone knew they were fakes. If they could afford the real ones, they would have bought it! Now, not only is the City and DOT trying to make ridiculous useless concrete islands in the middle of extremely busy intersections, they have taken away parking from many areas where parking is already rare. Where will everyone park? Do they want us to park in expensive garages? Mayor Bloomberg is a fool who doesn't think for the larger population, he only cares for the upper class rich folk. It is people like him that is making life for the middle and lower class impossible. The economy is destroyed because of people like him! Chinatown needs help! Pretty soon there will be no Chinatown. Chinatown lives on Tourism. All types of people come to shop, enjoy Dim Sum, good chinese food, etc. With reduced parking, lack of business, delay of deliveries, Chinatown's tourist revenue will not be enough and it will be shut down! Does anyone want to see this happen? Please help and voice your opinions to help Chinatown!

]]> By: Mike http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-54325 Mike Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:15:17 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-54325 No, Stacy, the Grand Street bike lane is only about two years old. No, Stacy, the Grand Street bike lane is only about two years old.

]]> By: Stacy http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-54307 Stacy Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:37:44 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-54307 Gwin - Maybe the current left side Grand Street bike lane is from the days when there was a Grand Street crosstown bus? Gwin - Maybe the current left side Grand Street bike lane is from the days when there was a Grand Street crosstown bus?

]]> By: Andy B from Jersey http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-54212 Andy B from Jersey Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:26:25 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-54212 Either way this is an excellent, superior design and I'm even happier that they've put it on the right side of the street whatever the reason. Either way this is an excellent, superior design and I'm even happier that they've put it on the right side of the street whatever the reason.

]]> By: Gwin http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-54193 Gwin Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:37:19 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-54193 <b>Andy:</b> what's even weirder is that the current, non-barricaded bike lane on Grand is indeed on the left side of the street... Andy: what's even weirder is that the current, non-barricaded bike lane on Grand is indeed on the left side of the street...

]]> By: Andy B from Jersey http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-54177 Andy B from Jersey Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:24:46 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-54177 Yeah, thats what I figured but every one-way street in Manhattan that have bike lanes (at least that I've seen) have them on the left side of the street and there doesn't seem to be any significant bus traffic on those streets. Why the change of heart / design here?? Like I said, did they flip a coin? Yeah, thats what I figured but every one-way street in Manhattan that have bike lanes (at least that I've seen) have them on the left side of the street and there doesn't seem to be any significant bus traffic on those streets. Why the change of heart / design here??

Like I said, did they flip a coin?

]]> By: Cap'n Transit http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-54157 Cap'n Transit Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:28:40 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-54157 Andy, there's no bus on Grand Street. That's what they base the decision on. Andy, there's no bus on Grand Street. That's what they base the decision on.

]]> By: Andy B from Jersey http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-54155 Andy B from Jersey Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:00:23 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-54155 Hey!! So what possessed NYCDoT to put this bike lane on the CORRECT (read right side) of this one-way street?? Did they flip a coin? Aren't all you NYC cyclists gonna' get confused? Hey!! So what possessed NYCDoT to put this bike lane on the CORRECT (read right side) of this one-way street?? Did they flip a coin?

Aren't all you NYC cyclists gonna' get confused?

]]> By: Rory http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-54146 Rory Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:49:13 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-54146 There is a bike lane like separated by a lane of parking like this one just installed in Melbourne. It's good to be protected from traffic, but because pedestrians seem to equate parked cars with the edge of the footpath, you have to go really slow yelling at people 'oi! this is a bike path!' There is a bike lane like separated by a lane of parking like this one just installed in Melbourne. It's good to be protected from traffic, but because pedestrians seem to equate parked cars with the edge of the footpath, you have to go really slow yelling at people 'oi! this is a bike path!'

]]> By: Gwin http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-54136 Gwin Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:19:46 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-54136 m-o: thanks for the clarification; I didn't think of that. m-o: thanks for the clarification; I didn't think of that.

]]> By: m-o http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-54110 m-o Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:05:53 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-54110 Gwin, There's demand for a cycle track on Chrystie because of all the southbound traffic going to the Manhattan Bridge. the northbound lane on Allen doesn't really help with that. I can't wait to use this Grand Street lane. these concerns are accurate but as mfs said, it's worth a try. the DOT's been trying a bunch of things to see what works, where, and how, so that everything can improve... and this is part of that. it's great. I'm an aggressive rider who likes mixing it up on the avenues with the cabs, but i love these separated lanes - so casual and pleasant. much more enjoyable to cruise in comfort than to brawl in the streets. Gwin,
There's demand for a cycle track on Chrystie because of all the southbound traffic going to the Manhattan Bridge. the northbound lane on Allen doesn't really help with that.

I can't wait to use this Grand Street lane. these concerns are accurate but as mfs said, it's worth a try. the DOT's been trying a bunch of things to see what works, where, and how, so that everything can improve... and this is part of that. it's great.

I'm an aggressive rider who likes mixing it up on the avenues with the cabs, but i love these separated lanes - so casual and pleasant. much more enjoyable to cruise in comfort than to brawl in the streets.

]]> By: Clarence Eckerson Jr. http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-54109 Clarence Eckerson Jr. Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:57:47 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-54109 I didn't understand ubrayj02's comment at first until I looked at the diagram. Heffron you might be right on that! I didn't understand ubrayj02's comment at first until I looked at the diagram. Heffron you might be right on that!

]]> By: Gwin http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-54107 Gwin Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:50:53 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-54107 Why would a bike lane be needed on Chrystie when it only goes a few blocks before dead-ending into Houston? Besides that, there is already one on Allen that feeds right onto First Avenue. Since the worst, most inconsiderate drivers in the city are definitely in Chinatown -- the drivers on Grand *always* use the bike lane as a double-parking zone -- this is a really positive improvement. Why would a bike lane be needed on Chrystie when it only goes a few blocks before dead-ending into Houston? Besides that, there is already one on Allen that feeds right onto First Avenue.

Since the worst, most inconsiderate drivers in the city are definitely in Chinatown -- the drivers on Grand *always* use the bike lane as a double-parking zone -- this is a really positive improvement.

]]> By: Stacy http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-54103 Stacy Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:26:38 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-54103 It will be vast improvement to have a Grand Street bike lane that's on one side of the street rather than switching from left, to right, as the current one does when Grand becomes a two way street at Christie. It will be vast improvement to have a Grand Street bike lane that's on one side of the street rather than switching from left, to right, as the current one does when Grand becomes a two way street at Christie.

]]> By: Doc Barnett http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-54102 Doc Barnett Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:15:21 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/25/plan-for-grand-street-cycle-track-features-new-design-treatment/#comment-54102 Thanks Clarence! Although I am no fan of pigeons in the flesh, I relate to this one for some reason. A friend of mine took its picture on Empire's observation deck. Thanks Clarence! Although I am no fan of pigeons in the flesh, I relate to this one for some reason. A friend of mine took its picture on Empire's observation deck.

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