Comments on: Details of ‘Peak Rate Parking’ Coming Into Focus http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/10/details-of-peak-rate-parking-coming-into-focus/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ian D http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/10/details-of-peak-rate-parking-coming-into-focus/comment-page-1/#comment-53334 Ian D Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:02:42 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/10/details-of-peak-rate-parking-coming-into-focus/#comment-53334 To answer some questions: #1: The theory is that with at least 1 available spot per block, you won't need to double-park or block a bus stop if you just have to make a quick stop or delivery. And the ticket for not paying the meter is less than double-parking or blocking a bus stop, if you are doing a risk-analysis. And we're going to see what kind of rates work. Other DOT experience is that small changes result in big behavior changes, but it is quite possible that it will take something more like $5/hr to get our targets (that's personally what I expect). But there is the desire to make smaller changes and approach the "right" rate from below, partly to temper the outcry. #3 - It is a pilot, and there is desire to greatly expand it when the data is compiled. One other thing to look at - does this drive cars (no pun intended) to actually circle more for a FREE spot on a residential street rather than use the metered spot for a quick errand? That info is going to be studied. To answer some questions:

#1: The theory is that with at least 1 available spot per block, you won’t need to double-park or block a bus stop if you just have to make a quick stop or delivery. And the ticket for not paying the meter is less than double-parking or blocking a bus stop, if you are doing a risk-analysis.

And we’re going to see what kind of rates work. Other DOT experience is that small changes result in big behavior changes, but it is quite possible that it will take something more like $5/hr to get our targets (that’s personally what I expect). But there is the desire to make smaller changes and approach the “right” rate from below, partly to temper the outcry.

#3 – It is a pilot, and there is desire to greatly expand it when the data is compiled. One other thing to look at – does this drive cars (no pun intended) to actually circle more for a FREE spot on a residential street rather than use the metered spot for a quick errand? That info is going to be studied.

]]> By: Ian D http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/10/details-of-peak-rate-parking-coming-into-focus/comment-page-1/#comment-53333 Ian D Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:54:17 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/10/details-of-peak-rate-parking-coming-into-focus/#comment-53333 OK, the Times didn't get the map credit quite right, but hey, what am I gonna say. But Streetsblog? I'll fix that! :) The map I gave to the Times: http://www.mindspring.com/~darkpilot/programmap.gif Sheesh! OK, the Times didn’t get the map credit quite right, but hey, what am I gonna say. But Streetsblog? I’ll fix that! :)

The map I gave to the Times: http://www.mindspring.com/~darkpilot/programmap.gif

Sheesh!

]]> By: lee http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/10/details-of-peak-rate-parking-coming-into-focus/comment-page-1/#comment-53332 lee Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:43:22 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/10/details-of-peak-rate-parking-coming-into-focus/#comment-53332 do these areas have muni-meters or single space meters? do these areas have muni-meters or single space meters?

]]> By: Mark Walker http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/10/details-of-peak-rate-parking-coming-into-focus/comment-page-1/#comment-53328 Mark Walker Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:53:56 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/10/details-of-peak-rate-parking-coming-into-focus/#comment-53328 The principle is sound, but this initial implementation may run into problems. Even these increases still leave street parking priced well below garage parking. If it does have an effect on parking behavior, the small size of the test area will simply displace cars to surrounding areas. On the other hand, if this is the opening move to implementing a broader plan, cheers. The principle is sound, but this initial implementation may run into problems. Even these increases still leave street parking priced well below garage parking. If it does have an effect on parking behavior, the small size of the test area will simply displace cars to surrounding areas. On the other hand, if this is the opening move to implementing a broader plan, cheers.

]]> By: Streetsman http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/10/details-of-peak-rate-parking-coming-into-focus/comment-page-1/#comment-53327 Streetsman Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:45:42 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/10/details-of-peak-rate-parking-coming-into-focus/#comment-53327 The idea is that higher parking rates result in fewer people parking and for shorter times, thus more available spaces and less double-parking. The idea is that higher parking rates result in fewer people parking and for shorter times, thus more available spaces and less double-parking.

]]> By: d http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/10/details-of-peak-rate-parking-coming-into-focus/comment-page-1/#comment-53323 d Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:06:28 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/10/details-of-peak-rate-parking-coming-into-focus/#comment-53323 I was confused about this part of the article: "It is also expected to decrease the number of drivers who double-park or park in bus stops. " If prices go up, wouldn't people be MORE likely to double-park or stop in a bus stop, rather than pay more, especially if they are only running into a store or making a quick pick-up or errand? Can someone explain this theory? Also, I wonder if the parking fees will eventually go up. Is the DOT just testing the waters right now? $2/hour doesn't seem like much of an increase and hardly reflects the value of on-street parking. It can cost $10 or more to park for an hour in a garage. Will the DOT eventually raise fees to, say, $5/hour? I was confused about this part of the article:

“It is also expected to decrease the number of drivers who double-park or park in bus stops. “

If prices go up, wouldn’t people be MORE likely to double-park or stop in a bus stop, rather than pay more, especially if they are only running into a store or making a quick pick-up or errand? Can someone explain this theory?

Also, I wonder if the parking fees will eventually go up. Is the DOT just testing the waters right now? $2/hour doesn’t seem like much of an increase and hardly reflects the value of on-street parking. It can cost $10 or more to park for an hour in a garage. Will the DOT eventually raise fees to, say, $5/hour?

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