Comments on: Streetfilms: Return of Bike Box! http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:08:53 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Doc Barnett http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/comment-page-1/#comment-52966 Doc Barnett Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:05:44 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/#comment-52966 Hey, glad to hear you're not a shill. You can just assume that every weblog wants to increase its readership, whether its writers admit it or not. These guys do not in any way represent "the other side"; they would love to speak for every frustrated commuter in the country, but in reality they are just some dudes that set up wordpress and made a header graphic, then started attacking a leading symbol of livable streets to try to attention. I guess it could still be interesting reading, but they have no more authority than any random angry commenter that shows up to confront the Streetsblog eggheads with a fascinating and unique 20th century suburban American perspective on transportation. But why not comment on some other topics and let c.o. insert their own links into the web? I'm sure you've got some thoughts to add. :) Hey, glad to hear you're not a shill. You can just assume that every weblog wants to increase its readership, whether its writers admit it or not. These guys do not in any way represent "the other side"; they would love to speak for every frustrated commuter in the country, but in reality they are just some dudes that set up wordpress and made a header graphic, then started attacking a leading symbol of livable streets to try to attention. I guess it could still be interesting reading, but they have no more authority than any random angry commenter that shows up to confront the Streetsblog eggheads with a fascinating and unique 20th century suburban American perspective on transportation.

But why not comment on some other topics and let c.o. insert their own links into the web? I'm sure you've got some thoughts to add. :)

]]> By: Mike D. http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/comment-page-1/#comment-52958 Mike D. Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:45:51 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/#comment-52958 Well, I'm definitely not playing for them. And sure, I definitely think they're wrong on most of what they write. But I enjoy reading the other side. I've linked a few times to their articles when they address Streetsblog directly. That kind of thing is interesting to me. As to trying to gain popularity by linking to Streetsblog, maybe. But then again Streetsblog is a HUGE site in the transportation blogosphere, very influential. Sorta like the NYTimes op-ed page for cyclists, urbanists, etc. So it makes sense that the other side would want to address the posts and threads here. I dunno, I guess if these guys were really trying to become some huge blog, they'd have picked some MASSIVE topic like Israel-Palestine or whatever and attack Little Green Footballs. Anyway, point taken Doc. Well, I'm definitely not playing for them. And sure, I definitely think they're wrong on most of what they write. But I enjoy reading the other side. I've linked a few times to their articles when they address Streetsblog directly. That kind of thing is interesting to me. As to trying to gain popularity by linking to Streetsblog, maybe. But then again Streetsblog is a HUGE site in the transportation blogosphere, very influential. Sorta like the NYTimes op-ed page for cyclists, urbanists, etc. So it makes sense that the other side would want to address the posts and threads here. I dunno, I guess if these guys were really trying to become some huge blog, they'd have picked some MASSIVE topic like Israel-Palestine or whatever and attack Little Green Footballs. Anyway, point taken Doc.

]]> By: Tom Rorb http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/comment-page-1/#comment-52790 Tom Rorb Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:01:58 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/#comment-52790 Doc, I agree. Commuter Outrage has zero popularity unless it does a story on Sblog or tears down one of the people who contribute to or work hard for it. While they are free to do that, it is a sad way to build a blog. Let them continue to do it, but their rants are insanity disguised as lunacy. I have stopped going there even as a curio. Doc,

I agree. Commuter Outrage has zero popularity unless it does a story on Sblog or tears down one of the people who contribute to or work hard for it. While they are free to do that, it is a sad way to build a blog. Let them continue to do it, but their rants are insanity disguised as lunacy. I have stopped going there even as a curio.

]]> By: Doc Barnett http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/comment-page-1/#comment-52777 Doc Barnett Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:27:13 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/#comment-52777 Mike D, you are either playing for or getting played by <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=site:streetsblog.org+%22mike+d.%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8" rel="nofollow">repeatedly linking</a> to that site's reactionary posts. Their strategy is to stalk Streetsblog with posts taunting both the main content and commenters here. Streetsblog is popular while <a href="http://www.google.com/search?as_lq=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commuteroutrage.com%2F&btnG=Search" rel="nofollow">Commuter Outrage has no friends</a>. Let them rant in obscurity, please. Any Streetsblogger that wants to read low quality venting against this weblog, and indeed the shifting national priorities that it chronicles, is free to subscribe to their feed. I think it works best if you yell "outta my way, asshole!" and make a horn-honking motion with your left arm while clicking the RSS icon. Mike D, you are either playing for or getting played by repeatedly linking to that site's reactionary posts. Their strategy is to stalk Streetsblog with posts taunting both the main content and commenters here. Streetsblog is popular while Commuter Outrage has no friends. Let them rant in obscurity, please. Any Streetsblogger that wants to read low quality venting against this weblog, and indeed the shifting national priorities that it chronicles, is free to subscribe to their feed. I think it works best if you yell "outta my way, asshole!" and make a horn-honking motion with your left arm while clicking the RSS icon.

]]> By: Dane http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/comment-page-1/#comment-52772 Dane Sun, 29 Jun 2008 02:26:53 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/#comment-52772 I don't think this is a particularly good Streetfilm but the "Commuter Outrage" guys are complete morons and have no idea what they're talking about on this or any number of other topics. "Advanced stop lines" have a number of purposes and research from Copenhagen is showing that, combined with some other measures, they appear to be useful in enhancing cyclist visibility and safety and are reducing crashes at intersections. I don't think this is a particularly good Streetfilm but the "Commuter Outrage" guys are complete morons and have no idea what they're talking about on this or any number of other topics.

"Advanced stop lines" have a number of purposes and research from Copenhagen is showing that, combined with some other measures, they appear to be useful in enhancing cyclist visibility and safety and are reducing crashes at intersections.

]]> By: gecko http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/comment-page-1/#comment-52768 gecko Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:13:36 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/#comment-52768 Seems suicidal going through an intersection at 20 mph on a bike without having very clear view of what is going on there. Seems suicidal going through an intersection at 20 mph on a bike without having very clear view of what is going on there.

]]> By: Mike D. http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/comment-page-1/#comment-52767 Mike D. Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:20:31 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/#comment-52767 Judd makes a good point: http://www.commuteroutrage.com/2008/06/28/bike-box The purpose of the bike box is to prevent right turn accidents, but it's only relevant when both the bike and the car come to complete stop at a red light. "Compare this to the other right hand turn scenario, which is legitimately dangerous: A car and a bike approach the intersection at substantial speeds, the light remains green, the bike goes straight through the intersection at 20 mph, the car hooks right, the car slams into the bike. In this scenario, which logic tells us causes the greatest number of collisions, the bike box is <i>completely irrelevant</i>." Judd makes a good point: http://www.commuteroutrage.com/2008/06/28/bike-box

The purpose of the bike box is to prevent right turn accidents, but it's only relevant when both the bike and the car come to complete stop at a red light.

"Compare this to the other right hand turn scenario, which is legitimately dangerous: A car and a bike approach the intersection at substantial speeds, the light remains green, the bike goes straight through the intersection at 20 mph, the car hooks right, the car slams into the bike. In this scenario, which logic tells us causes the greatest number of collisions, the bike box is completely irrelevant."

]]> By: alf http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/comment-page-1/#comment-52763 alf Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:00:07 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/#comment-52763 this video is a little too annoying and inadequately informative. this video is a little too annoying and inadequately informative.

]]> By: gecko http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/comment-page-1/#comment-52759 gecko Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:11:16 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/27/streetfilms-return-of-bike-box/#comment-52759 Great rallying cry! Great rallying cry!

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