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	<title>Comments on: Ikea Tests Bike-Share in Denmark. Why Not NYC?</title>
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		<title>By: Moocow</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/26/ikea-tests-bike-share-in-denmark-why-not-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-52745</link>
		<dc:creator>Moocow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Shemp I brought you into this. I should have refered to &quot;Gasping&quot;, not you.  

I live on the Slope and I am sure even for an average person, a properly geared bike, a trailer and a particle board table from the big box store we&#039;re all discussing, would not create a hardship.   I was bothered that &quot;gasping&quot; was passing off the idea of hauling materials by bicycle due to &quot;serious hills&quot;.  I  hired a &quot;driver&quot; and his cargo trike to haul a bureau and then two rain barrels  up the hill from lower Atlantic Ave, and Red Hook respectively, no one got hurt from the effort. I rode next to him and we talked the whole time. It cost way less and was way easier than renting a car. Trips by bicycle and work-cycle is a viable method in our compact city, if we keep knocking the idea that it isn&#039;t, people won&#039;t try it themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Shemp I brought you into this. I should have refered to &#8220;Gasping&#8221;, not you.  </p>
<p>I live on the Slope and I am sure even for an average person, a properly geared bike, a trailer and a particle board table from the big box store we&#8217;re all discussing, would not create a hardship.   I was bothered that &#8220;gasping&#8221; was passing off the idea of hauling materials by bicycle due to &#8220;serious hills&#8221;.  I  hired a &#8220;driver&#8221; and his cargo trike to haul a bureau and then two rain barrels  up the hill from lower Atlantic Ave, and Red Hook respectively, no one got hurt from the effort. I rode next to him and we talked the whole time. It cost way less and was way easier than renting a car. Trips by bicycle and work-cycle is a viable method in our compact city, if we keep knocking the idea that it isn&#8217;t, people won&#8217;t try it themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Layman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Layman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have suggested these kinds of schemes for awhile.  Were transportation demand management planning required, then this kind of thinking, as well as delivery systems shared across commercial districts (rather than being specific to individual businesses) could be implemented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have suggested these kinds of schemes for awhile.  Were transportation demand management planning required, then this kind of thinking, as well as delivery systems shared across commercial districts (rather than being specific to individual businesses) could be implemented.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, Shemp, the entirety of Park Slope is on a hill. Hence the &#039;Slope&#039;.  It may  not be the biggest hill but your average person may have trouble towing a trailer and kitchen table up the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, Shemp, the entirety of Park Slope is on a hill. Hence the &#8216;Slope&#8217;.  It may  not be the biggest hill but your average person may have trouble towing a trailer and kitchen table up the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Urbanis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urbanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Granted, I haven&#039;t been to every nook and cranny of the five boroughs, but the only truly &quot;serious climb&quot; I&#039;ve encountered in the city has been on the Hudson River Greenway at the GWB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granted, I haven&#8217;t been to every nook and cranny of the five boroughs, but the only truly &#8220;serious climb&#8221; I&#8217;ve encountered in the city has been on the Hudson River Greenway at the GWB.</p>
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		<title>By: Shemp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey man, I said nothing about climbing.  

It&#039;s news to me there are hills anywhere in Brooklyn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey man, I said nothing about climbing.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s news to me there are hills anywhere in Brooklyn.</p>
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		<title>By: Moocow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moocow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Serious climb&quot; Shemp? That&#039;s stretching it.  There are routes out that are rather flat if Smith or climbing the Park Slope streets are too abrupt.  
This is totally possible, if Ikea doesnt do it, Brooklyn still needs its own cargo bike rental company, maybe this will be the impetus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Serious climb&#8221; Shemp? That&#8217;s stretching it.  There are routes out that are rather flat if Smith or climbing the Park Slope streets are too abrupt.<br />
This is totally possible, if Ikea doesnt do it, Brooklyn still needs its own cargo bike rental company, maybe this will be the impetus.</p>
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		<title>By: JF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Shemp.  Sounds like the management of Ikea USA are your typical American corporate executive type, who drives everywhere and thinks that people who don&#039;t aren&#039;t worth consideration.  If they&#039;re from the Midwest it makes some sense, but even if they&#039;re from New York they&#039;re probably the same people who think congestion pricing would hurt the poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Shemp.  Sounds like the management of Ikea USA are your typical American corporate executive type, who drives everywhere and thinks that people who don&#8217;t aren&#8217;t worth consideration.  If they&#8217;re from the Midwest it makes some sense, but even if they&#8217;re from New York they&#8217;re probably the same people who think congestion pricing would hurt the poor.</p>
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		<title>By: Gasping for Air</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gasping for Air</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Copenhagen barely has any hills.  There is no way out of Red Hook that doesn&#039;t involve a serious climb.  Sure there are always a few fanatics who will climb anything, but bike trailers would be a lot easier to use in a flat city like New Orleans than in Brooklyn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copenhagen barely has any hills.  There is no way out of Red Hook that doesn&#8217;t involve a serious climb.  Sure there are always a few fanatics who will climb anything, but bike trailers would be a lot easier to use in a flat city like New Orleans than in Brooklyn.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhh... Credit where credit is due please?  I brought this up last week.  http://tinyurl.com/6kutlz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhh&#8230; Credit where credit is due please?  I brought this up last week.  <a href="http://tinyurl.com/6kutlz" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6kutlz</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I&#039;d be happy just to borrow a trailer to haul my stuff back home over the Brooklyn Bridge. And it would be great advertising for Ikea.

So how come nobody in this city has come up with the idea of rentable bike trailers? I don&#039;t have a place to store a trailer so buying one is out of the question, but if U-Haul can rent  trailers for gas guzzlers why not trailers for human powered vehicles too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I&#8217;d be happy just to borrow a trailer to haul my stuff back home over the Brooklyn Bridge. And it would be great advertising for Ikea.</p>
<p>So how come nobody in this city has come up with the idea of rentable bike trailers? I don&#8217;t have a place to store a trailer so buying one is out of the question, but if U-Haul can rent  trailers for gas guzzlers why not trailers for human powered vehicles too?</p>
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		<title>By: Shemp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably the main distinction will lie is in who is making these type of decisions for IKEA in the U.S. (it may be their lawyers, true).   

I doubt urban IKEAs in Europe have giant parking lots, but they wanted one here.  

Danish or Swedish planners for IKEA can understand the value of bike-sharing and trailers, but if IKEA&#039;s U.S. team is just another bunch of fat Americans in their fat cars (or typically paranoid lawyers) does it stand a chance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably the main distinction will lie is in who is making these type of decisions for IKEA in the U.S. (it may be their lawyers, true).   </p>
<p>I doubt urban IKEAs in Europe have giant parking lots, but they wanted one here.  </p>
<p>Danish or Swedish planners for IKEA can understand the value of bike-sharing and trailers, but if IKEA&#8217;s U.S. team is just another bunch of fat Americans in their fat cars (or typically paranoid lawyers) does it stand a chance?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Siegel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made a similar suggestion that the city of Berkeley provide loaner trailers, and the bike planner immediately replied that they couldn&#039;t do it because of liability concerns. 

I recommend that people do it themselves.  Bicycle Friendly Berkeley Coalition has a trailer that they loan to members.  I bought a trailer for myself at http://www.bikesatwork.com/ - with a capacity of 300 pounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made a similar suggestion that the city of Berkeley provide loaner trailers, and the bike planner immediately replied that they couldn&#8217;t do it because of liability concerns. </p>
<p>I recommend that people do it themselves.  Bicycle Friendly Berkeley Coalition has a trailer that they loan to members.  I bought a trailer for myself at <a href="http://www.bikesatwork.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bikesatwork.com/</a> &#8211; with a capacity of 300 pounds.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could be a watershed experience if the seriously got into in the Red Hook / Carrol Gardens neighberhoods</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could be a watershed experience if the seriously got into in the Red Hook / Carrol Gardens neighberhoods</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>d, very good point about litigiousness.

But because it&#039;s SO sensible for an Ikea in a dense city to rent/lend bikes/cargo bikes, I really hope they manage to overcome any understandable fears of lawsuits that might result from Ikea-bike use.  

Letting furniture buyers in a dense city rent or borrow cargo bikes:  as an old-school New Yorker friend of mine would say, &quot;it&#039;s called &#039;it makes all the sense in the world.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>d, very good point about litigiousness.</p>
<p>But because it&#8217;s SO sensible for an Ikea in a dense city to rent/lend bikes/cargo bikes, I really hope they manage to overcome any understandable fears of lawsuits that might result from Ikea-bike use.  </p>
<p>Letting furniture buyers in a dense city rent or borrow cargo bikes:  as an old-school New Yorker friend of mine would say, &#8220;it&#8217;s called &#8216;it makes all the sense in the world.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Rorb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Rorb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am about 2 miles away.  I would use one of these for sure if I went to IKEA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am about 2 miles away.  I would use one of these for sure if I went to IKEA.</p>
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		<title>By: d</title>
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		<dc:creator>d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean &quot;America is one of the most litigious societies...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean &#8220;America is one of the most litigious societies&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: d</title>
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		<dc:creator>d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who has lived in or traveled to other countries knows that Americans is one of the most litigious societies in the world.  That alone might be the biggest obstacle to getting something like this going here, as I&#039;m sure IKEA would not want to get sued by someone claiming that they were riding a faulty bike when they got into an accident or got injured.  

I suspect that if free bikes and trailers were to be offered by IKEA it would require a fair amount of paperwork and signing on the dotted line before one was allowed to bike one&#039;s belongings home.

It certainly can&#039;t be about the price of the bikes; imagine how expensive it is to operate the free water taxi or shuttle buses.  It also probably has little to do with fears of theft, since that is easily cleared up with a deposit on a credit card, as is done in Copenhagen.  When the economic cost of potential lawsuits is less than the economic benefit of providing this service, I&#039;m sure IKEA will offer it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who has lived in or traveled to other countries knows that Americans is one of the most litigious societies in the world.  That alone might be the biggest obstacle to getting something like this going here, as I&#8217;m sure IKEA would not want to get sued by someone claiming that they were riding a faulty bike when they got into an accident or got injured.  </p>
<p>I suspect that if free bikes and trailers were to be offered by IKEA it would require a fair amount of paperwork and signing on the dotted line before one was allowed to bike one&#8217;s belongings home.</p>
<p>It certainly can&#8217;t be about the price of the bikes; imagine how expensive it is to operate the free water taxi or shuttle buses.  It also probably has little to do with fears of theft, since that is easily cleared up with a deposit on a credit card, as is done in Copenhagen.  When the economic cost of potential lawsuits is less than the economic benefit of providing this service, I&#8217;m sure IKEA will offer it.</p>
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