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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/25/todays-headlines-430/comment-page-1/#comment-52620</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To sum up: the answer to the problem of incompetent elderly drivers is not to widen the roads with turn lanes.  I also read a post somewhere recently where a suggestion was made to ship all the city&#039;s elderly population up the river and get them out of the way of the younger people who drive the economy.  I couldn&#039;t disagree more.  Older people provide all kinds of useful functions in a society; they&#039;re good to have around.

The solution is to zone more Sunnysides where people of all ages live together.  I have some friends on the next block where three generations live in the same apartment complex.  The mother lives on the top floor of one building (the father died last year, sadly).  The sister has an apartment in the other building, and the brother lives in another apartment with his wife and daughter (when she&#039;s not at college).  They all hang out at the cafe down the street.  It&#039;s a vertical village.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To sum up: the answer to the problem of incompetent elderly drivers is not to widen the roads with turn lanes.  I also read a post somewhere recently where a suggestion was made to ship all the city&#8217;s elderly population up the river and get them out of the way of the younger people who drive the economy.  I couldn&#8217;t disagree more.  Older people provide all kinds of useful functions in a society; they&#8217;re good to have around.</p>
<p>The solution is to zone more Sunnysides where people of all ages live together.  I have some friends on the next block where three generations live in the same apartment complex.  The mother lives on the top floor of one building (the father died last year, sadly).  The sister has an apartment in the other building, and the brother lives in another apartment with his wife and daughter (when she&#8217;s not at college).  They all hang out at the cafe down the street.  It&#8217;s a vertical village.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When his father lost his ability to drive, he lost his mobility and freedom? The choice was between driving or else rotting away in front of a TV? It was a physical impossibility to WALK?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
In some of these places, it&#039;s not a physical impossibility but it&#039;s just unpleasant and dangerous.  My grandfather had a similar experience; he lived in a condo in a sprawly part of Florida, and then my uncle moved him to an assisted-living center in a sprawly part of California.  There was nowhere to walk to within a reasonable distance for an 87-year-old man even if he felt comfortable walking there.

That&#039;s why I like &lt;a href=&quot;http://sunnysidechamber.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my neighborhood in Queens&lt;/a&gt;: you can walk to everything, and there are lots of places (park benches, cafes, senior centers, the VFW) where senior citizens can walk to and socialize.  It &lt;a href=&quot;http://saferskillman.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;could be safer&lt;/a&gt;, but it&#039;s a lot safer than where my grandfather lived.  It&#039;ll be even better when they roll out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/sidewalks/safeseniors.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Safe Streets for Seniors&lt;/a&gt; here next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When his father lost his ability to drive, he lost his mobility and freedom? The choice was between driving or else rotting away in front of a TV? It was a physical impossibility to WALK?</p></blockquote>
<p>In some of these places, it&#8217;s not a physical impossibility but it&#8217;s just unpleasant and dangerous.  My grandfather had a similar experience; he lived in a condo in a sprawly part of Florida, and then my uncle moved him to an assisted-living center in a sprawly part of California.  There was nowhere to walk to within a reasonable distance for an 87-year-old man even if he felt comfortable walking there.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I like <a href="http://sunnysidechamber.org/" rel="nofollow">my neighborhood in Queens</a>: you can walk to everything, and there are lots of places (park benches, cafes, senior centers, the VFW) where senior citizens can walk to and socialize.  It <a href="http://saferskillman.org/" rel="nofollow">could be safer</a>, but it&#8217;s a lot safer than where my grandfather lived.  It&#8217;ll be even better when they roll out <a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/sidewalks/safeseniors.shtml" rel="nofollow">Safe Streets for Seniors</a> here next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Urbanis</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/25/todays-headlines-430/comment-page-1/#comment-52608</link>
		<dc:creator>Urbanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark, I understand your not wanting to bike the streets of NYC; however, I&#039;d hate for you to miss out on all the fun. Consider making a trip down memory lane and trying out a Free Bike Friday at Governor&#039;s Island this summer.

http://www.govisland.com/Press_Room/06-04-08bikeshare.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark, I understand your not wanting to bike the streets of NYC; however, I&#8217;d hate for you to miss out on all the fun. Consider making a trip down memory lane and trying out a Free Bike Friday at Governor&#8217;s Island this summer.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.govisland.com/Press_Room/06-04-08bikeshare.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.govisland.com/Press_Room/06-04-08bikeshare.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/25/todays-headlines-430/comment-page-1/#comment-52601</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rode a bike as a kid, but that was a different world. My sleepy NJ suburb had little daytime traffic back in the 1960s so I could zip around on nearly deserted streets and sidewalks without bothering anyone. Now I&#039;m over 50 and haven&#039;t got the stamina or reflexes to bike safely in NYC. It does look like fun, though. And while I occasionally criticize two-wheeled speeders, I totally support bike lanes, bike safety, bikers&#039; civil rights, and especially physical barriers to protect bikers from other vehicles. That&#039;s what I would want if I rode a bike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rode a bike as a kid, but that was a different world. My sleepy NJ suburb had little daytime traffic back in the 1960s so I could zip around on nearly deserted streets and sidewalks without bothering anyone. Now I&#8217;m over 50 and haven&#8217;t got the stamina or reflexes to bike safely in NYC. It does look like fun, though. And while I occasionally criticize two-wheeled speeders, I totally support bike lanes, bike safety, bikers&#8217; civil rights, and especially physical barriers to protect bikers from other vehicles. That&#8217;s what I would want if I rode a bike.</p>
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		<title>By: Urbanis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urbanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark, thanks for sharing your perspective. It&#039;s useful to hear which cyclist behaviors pedestrians find most helpful for sharing the road.

Do you ever ride a bicycle yourself or are you strictly a walker (in the pedestrian sense, not the UES socialite sense)?
 
I&#039;m looking forward to seeing you while you&#039;re striding along the Hudson River Promenade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark, thanks for sharing your perspective. It&#8217;s useful to hear which cyclist behaviors pedestrians find most helpful for sharing the road.</p>
<p>Do you ever ride a bicycle yourself or are you strictly a walker (in the pedestrian sense, not the UES socialite sense)?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing you while you&#8217;re striding along the Hudson River Promenade.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, they&#039;re moving much faster than I am. So which is more annoying for me as a ped -- bikers signaling their presence in advance, or bikers shooting by me without warning? I prefer the former, but maybe that&#039;s just me. And yeah, awareness is important, but to be aware of every biker about to pass me, I&#039;d have to be twisting my neck around every few seconds. So I prefer the yells and bells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, they&#8217;re moving much faster than I am. So which is more annoying for me as a ped &#8212; bikers signaling their presence in advance, or bikers shooting by me without warning? I prefer the former, but maybe that&#8217;s just me. And yeah, awareness is important, but to be aware of every biker about to pass me, I&#8217;d have to be twisting my neck around every few seconds. So I prefer the yells and bells.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think a little civility goes a long way. In Riverside Park, where I do most of my walking, some bikers call out or use their bells when passing me from behind. Thanks, you guys are great!&quot;

Seriously?  I hate it when people do that.  If everyone could just look where they&#039;re going and be aware of what&#039;s around them, it wouldn&#039;t be necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think a little civility goes a long way. In Riverside Park, where I do most of my walking, some bikers call out or use their bells when passing me from behind. Thanks, you guys are great!&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously?  I hate it when people do that.  If everyone could just look where they&#8217;re going and be aware of what&#8217;s around them, it wouldn&#8217;t be necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the gem from that NY Times schlock:
&quot;Frank Cardimen[&#039;s] inspiration to help older people stay mobile safely as long as possible comes from his father’s experience a few years ago when he stopped driving.  &#039;My father died at 85, but he really died at 80,&#039; Mr. Cardimen said. &#039;He was the most active, funny, enthusiastic person, just a jewel. We tried everything possible to offset that loss of freedom, that quality of life, but there was nothing we could do,&#039; he said. Seeing him &#039;just watching TV and eating, waiting to check out, was heartbreaking.&#039;

When his father lost his ability to drive, he lost his mobility and freedom?  The choice was between driving or else rotting away in front of a TV?  It was a physical impossibility to WALK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the gem from that NY Times schlock:<br />
&#8220;Frank Cardimen['s] inspiration to help older people stay mobile safely as long as possible comes from his father’s experience a few years ago when he stopped driving.  &#8216;My father died at 85, but he really died at 80,&#8217; Mr. Cardimen said. &#8216;He was the most active, funny, enthusiastic person, just a jewel. We tried everything possible to offset that loss of freedom, that quality of life, but there was nothing we could do,&#8217; he said. Seeing him &#8216;just watching TV and eating, waiting to check out, was heartbreaking.&#8217;</p>
<p>When his father lost his ability to drive, he lost his mobility and freedom?  The choice was between driving or else rotting away in front of a TV?  It was a physical impossibility to WALK?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peds and cyclists are on the same side. Why can&#039;t we just get along?

I think a little civility goes a long way. In Riverside Park, where I do most of my walking, some bikers call out or use their bells when passing me from behind. Thanks, you guys are great!

I always look over my shoulder when about to cross into an intersecting path. I wish I didn&#039;t have to, but it helps me avoid collisions. On two occasions, bikers have called out &quot;thank you!&quot; They get the gold medal for civility.

The bikers who use shared paths at racing speed bug me, but there hasn&#039;t been much of a concerted effort to change their behavior, so why not start with a PR campaign and more &quot;go slow&quot; signs? I&#039;ll bet that would make for more considerate cyclists and happier peds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peds and cyclists are on the same side. Why can&#8217;t we just get along?</p>
<p>I think a little civility goes a long way. In Riverside Park, where I do most of my walking, some bikers call out or use their bells when passing me from behind. Thanks, you guys are great!</p>
<p>I always look over my shoulder when about to cross into an intersecting path. I wish I didn&#8217;t have to, but it helps me avoid collisions. On two occasions, bikers have called out &#8220;thank you!&#8221; They get the gold medal for civility.</p>
<p>The bikers who use shared paths at racing speed bug me, but there hasn&#8217;t been much of a concerted effort to change their behavior, so why not start with a PR campaign and more &#8220;go slow&#8221; signs? I&#8217;ll bet that would make for more considerate cyclists and happier peds.</p>
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		<title>By: Vroomfondel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vroomfondel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moser,
You&#039;re putting words in my mouth.  I&#039;m not at all opposed to competitive running or cycling.  (As a matter of fact, I&#039;ve run a few marathons and I&#039;m seriously thinking about trying a triathlon.)  All I&#039;m saying is that a smooth, two-lane highway is incongruous in a park, as are competitive cyclists in a recreational setting.  (And donations to T.A. don&#039;t change that, although they&#039;re much appreciated, of course.)

I&#039;m not proposing any bans at all.  Quite the contrary, actually.  I have little faith in rules that aren&#039;t reinforced by physical constraints.  Speed limits won&#039;t do any good as long as road conditions don&#039;t discourage higher speeds, and the traffic lights don&#039;t command any respect because they just look surreal in the park.

That leaves the question of where the bike racers should go.  My basic attitude is that if you want to operate a vehicle at highway speeds, you can do so on a highway.  That may be hard in the city because you&#039;d probably have to go to either New Jersey or Long Island to find a suitable highway.  How about a hybrid solution:  We get rid of all the blacktop except for a dedicated &quot;Wild West&quot; lane for bikes only, without speed limits, fenced off on both sides to keep kids and dogs out, with bridges for pedestrians to cross?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moser,<br />
You&#8217;re putting words in my mouth.  I&#8217;m not at all opposed to competitive running or cycling.  (As a matter of fact, I&#8217;ve run a few marathons and I&#8217;m seriously thinking about trying a triathlon.)  All I&#8217;m saying is that a smooth, two-lane highway is incongruous in a park, as are competitive cyclists in a recreational setting.  (And donations to T.A. don&#8217;t change that, although they&#8217;re much appreciated, of course.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not proposing any bans at all.  Quite the contrary, actually.  I have little faith in rules that aren&#8217;t reinforced by physical constraints.  Speed limits won&#8217;t do any good as long as road conditions don&#8217;t discourage higher speeds, and the traffic lights don&#8217;t command any respect because they just look surreal in the park.</p>
<p>That leaves the question of where the bike racers should go.  My basic attitude is that if you want to operate a vehicle at highway speeds, you can do so on a highway.  That may be hard in the city because you&#8217;d probably have to go to either New Jersey or Long Island to find a suitable highway.  How about a hybrid solution:  We get rid of all the blacktop except for a dedicated &#8220;Wild West&#8221; lane for bikes only, without speed limits, fenced off on both sides to keep kids and dogs out, with bridges for pedestrians to cross?</p>
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		<title>By: vnm</title>
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		<dc:creator>vnm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Aging drivers:

&lt;blockquote&gt;What many experts do agree would help older drivers is changing the design of roads, especially intersections, where drivers often have problems judging speed and distance. So some states are redesigning them. They are installing left-turn lanes, left-turn signals, street signs well before the intersection and replacing eight-inch traffic lights with 12-inch ones.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is code for road widening. Widening roads &lt;em&gt;encourages&lt;/em&gt; driving by people of all ages, worsens the already poor pedestrian experience in most places, worstens our rainwater runoff problems, and is an expensive and poor use of tax dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Aging drivers:</p>
<blockquote><p>What many experts do agree would help older drivers is changing the design of roads, especially intersections, where drivers often have problems judging speed and distance. So some states are redesigning them. They are installing left-turn lanes, left-turn signals, street signs well before the intersection and replacing eight-inch traffic lights with 12-inch ones.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is code for road widening. Widening roads <em>encourages</em> driving by people of all ages, worsens the already poor pedestrian experience in most places, worstens our rainwater runoff problems, and is an expensive and poor use of tax dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Urbanis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urbanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spud #9, excellent suggestion.

With Central Park, once again we have the problem of too many people (pedestrians, dog walkers, families with children, utility cyclists, racing cyclists, joggers, etc.) competing for too little car-free road space.

I agree with the premise that a park is a refuge from automobile traffic and that pedestrians should have priority at all times. The problem with the current traffic light configuration is that it encourages cyclists (whether more commuting-oriented like myself or more racing-oriented) to blow through lights. When you have lights than turn red frequently, and often no pedestrians crossing, it feels like an arbitrary imposition. Your suggestion of having lights turn red on pedestrian demand seems a reasonable way to re-engineer the system to meet everyone&#039;s needs most of the time. Pedestrians can cross when they need to and cyclists can continue to ride when there&#039;s no pedestrian traffic. Cylists respect the red light because there&#039;s a compelling reason for it.

With a set-up like this, I think ticketing cyclists who blow through a red light would be completely reasonable, as it would be endangering other people&#039;s safety (as well as their own).

I am always sad to see pedestrians and cyclists pitted against one another. All cyclists in New York are also pedestrians and we two groups have common cause in taking back the streets. Where their interests diverge is that cyclists are a minority facing an inadequate infrastructure, whereas pedestrians are a majority and have a ubiquitous network of sidewalks supporting their needs. Cyclists are required to share roads with automobiles where they are a minority, where space is often not allocated to them--and, when it is, it is frequently disrespected (cars parked in bike lanes, pedestrians walking in bike lanes, etc.), putting their lives at risk. So I understand cyclists are angry and frustrated, although I by no means condone careless, rude, and dangerous behavior towards pedestrians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spud #9, excellent suggestion.</p>
<p>With Central Park, once again we have the problem of too many people (pedestrians, dog walkers, families with children, utility cyclists, racing cyclists, joggers, etc.) competing for too little car-free road space.</p>
<p>I agree with the premise that a park is a refuge from automobile traffic and that pedestrians should have priority at all times. The problem with the current traffic light configuration is that it encourages cyclists (whether more commuting-oriented like myself or more racing-oriented) to blow through lights. When you have lights than turn red frequently, and often no pedestrians crossing, it feels like an arbitrary imposition. Your suggestion of having lights turn red on pedestrian demand seems a reasonable way to re-engineer the system to meet everyone&#8217;s needs most of the time. Pedestrians can cross when they need to and cyclists can continue to ride when there&#8217;s no pedestrian traffic. Cylists respect the red light because there&#8217;s a compelling reason for it.</p>
<p>With a set-up like this, I think ticketing cyclists who blow through a red light would be completely reasonable, as it would be endangering other people&#8217;s safety (as well as their own).</p>
<p>I am always sad to see pedestrians and cyclists pitted against one another. All cyclists in New York are also pedestrians and we two groups have common cause in taking back the streets. Where their interests diverge is that cyclists are a minority facing an inadequate infrastructure, whereas pedestrians are a majority and have a ubiquitous network of sidewalks supporting their needs. Cyclists are required to share roads with automobiles where they are a minority, where space is often not allocated to them&#8211;and, when it is, it is frequently disrespected (cars parked in bike lanes, pedestrians walking in bike lanes, etc.), putting their lives at risk. So I understand cyclists are angry and frustrated, although I by no means condone careless, rude, and dangerous behavior towards pedestrians.</p>
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		<title>By: Spud Spudly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spud Spudly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brent, you&#039;re right that in general the negative sentiment over bikes is out of proportion to the physical threat they pose.  However, as a pedestrian in Central Park I feel much more threatened by bikes than I ever do by cars.  Cars are only there a few hours a day five days a week, I never see any on the walking paths and get this -- they stop at the red lights!  You can cross at the light without worrying about the cars, but you still have to worry about the bikes.  (Though I still support banning cars from the park.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent, you&#8217;re right that in general the negative sentiment over bikes is out of proportion to the physical threat they pose.  However, as a pedestrian in Central Park I feel much more threatened by bikes than I ever do by cars.  Cars are only there a few hours a day five days a week, I never see any on the walking paths and get this &#8212; they stop at the red lights!  You can cross at the light without worrying about the cars, but you still have to worry about the bikes.  (Though I still support banning cars from the park.)</p>
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		<title>By: brent</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/25/todays-headlines-430/comment-page-1/#comment-52560</link>
		<dc:creator>brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spud- I will be the first to admit that bikers run red lights- I do it every day in fact. What is disproportionate is the negative sentiment from the media and even the public at large. There is fear and outrage over discourteous cyclists- the NYMag story even cites a rare instance when a biker killed a pedestrian. Yet, RECKLESS DRIVERS KILL A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY PRACTICALLY EVERY SINGLE DAY. Where is the public and media outrage over this madness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spud- I will be the first to admit that bikers run red lights- I do it every day in fact. What is disproportionate is the negative sentiment from the media and even the public at large. There is fear and outrage over discourteous cyclists- the NYMag story even cites a rare instance when a biker killed a pedestrian. Yet, RECKLESS DRIVERS KILL A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY PRACTICALLY EVERY SINGLE DAY. Where is the public and media outrage over this madness?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/25/todays-headlines-430/comment-page-1/#comment-52559</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NASA Climatologist James Hansen Calls for Carbon Tax

... from behind a brightly-colored hand puppet.

(I couldn&#039;t resist)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NASA Climatologist James Hansen Calls for Carbon Tax</p>
<p>&#8230; from behind a brightly-colored hand puppet.</p>
<p>(I couldn&#8217;t resist)</p>
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		<title>By: Moser</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/25/todays-headlines-430/comment-page-1/#comment-52553</link>
		<dc:creator>Moser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vroom, why should the spandex brigade have nowhere to go in the city?  You&#039;re really narrowing your world down to a pretty small slice here, though you&#039;re obviously not alone among the SB doctrinaire set.  Apparently you would also ban all competitive running events in Central Park too.  

Apparently you don&#039;t know that the hedge fund guys mentioned in the NY Mag article are major underwriters of T.A., or that most of the racers I know in NYC are also bike commuters/utilitarian riders as well and generally agree with this site&#039;s viewpoints other than the obvious absurd stuff.  

The NY Mag piece was a total piece of crap that could&#039;ve been and probably was written in 1978, 1988 (start to mix in roller bladers) and 1998 as well as today.  Unfortunately, most of the cyclists quoted didn&#039;t have the sense to smell set up, and considering the trashy outlet that NY Mag is, that is pretty naive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vroom, why should the spandex brigade have nowhere to go in the city?  You&#8217;re really narrowing your world down to a pretty small slice here, though you&#8217;re obviously not alone among the SB doctrinaire set.  Apparently you would also ban all competitive running events in Central Park too.  </p>
<p>Apparently you don&#8217;t know that the hedge fund guys mentioned in the NY Mag article are major underwriters of T.A., or that most of the racers I know in NYC are also bike commuters/utilitarian riders as well and generally agree with this site&#8217;s viewpoints other than the obvious absurd stuff.  </p>
<p>The NY Mag piece was a total piece of crap that could&#8217;ve been and probably was written in 1978, 1988 (start to mix in roller bladers) and 1998 as well as today.  Unfortunately, most of the cyclists quoted didn&#8217;t have the sense to smell set up, and considering the trashy outlet that NY Mag is, that is pretty naive.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedestrians and bicyclists can get along very well WITHOUT traffic lights.  A simple blinking yellow light and a yield to pedestrians signs should do the trick.  That way, neither group is waiting needlessly at a red light or a don&#039;t walk sign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedestrians and bicyclists can get along very well WITHOUT traffic lights.  A simple blinking yellow light and a yield to pedestrians signs should do the trick.  That way, neither group is waiting needlessly at a red light or a don&#8217;t walk sign.</p>
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		<title>By: Vroomfondel</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/25/todays-headlines-430/comment-page-1/#comment-52549</link>
		<dc:creator>Vroomfondel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About conflicts in Central Park:  Am I the only one who thinks it&#039;s ludicrous to have a two-lane highway going all around the park?  Let&#039;s rip out all the blacktop as well as the traffic lights.  Let&#039;s leave only narrow dirt roads and institute a policy that gives pedestrians precedence over all other modes.  That should be enough to discourage the drivers as well as the spandex brigade, while pedestrians and casual bikers will get along just fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About conflicts in Central Park:  Am I the only one who thinks it&#8217;s ludicrous to have a two-lane highway going all around the park?  Let&#8217;s rip out all the blacktop as well as the traffic lights.  Let&#8217;s leave only narrow dirt roads and institute a policy that gives pedestrians precedence over all other modes.  That should be enough to discourage the drivers as well as the spandex brigade, while pedestrians and casual bikers will get along just fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Mr. Brownstone suggests on yesterday&#039;s headlines, city resources should be allocated based on historical risk, not perception of risk. We can absolutely get more bang (less death) for our enforcement buck outside of carfree parks. As for the signals, which cost very little to operate, the only way to know if they&#039;re better off or on in the absence of cars is to turn off a few of them for some weekends and see if those intersections have more or less reported crashes than others. The rest is just hot air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Mr. Brownstone suggests on yesterday&#8217;s headlines, city resources should be allocated based on historical risk, not perception of risk. We can absolutely get more bang (less death) for our enforcement buck outside of carfree parks. As for the signals, which cost very little to operate, the only way to know if they&#8217;re better off or on in the absence of cars is to turn off a few of them for some weekends and see if those intersections have more or less reported crashes than others. The rest is just hot air.</p>
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		<title>By: Spud Spudly</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/25/todays-headlines-430/comment-page-1/#comment-52545</link>
		<dc:creator>Spud Spudly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn and Urbanis:  How about this -- instead of a yield system that I don&#039;t think will really work, how about putting in some of those good old-fashioned buttons that allow pedestrians to trigger a red light?  You can still find old ones on some city street corners, and believe it or not they used to actually do something.  Set the minimum green light at two or three minutes so that pedestrians can&#039;t keep it red all the time.  And when there are no pedestrians around it just stays green.  That way the bikers get more green time and pedestrians can cross when they need to, providing people actually stop at the red lights.  (Maybe some tire spikes that pop up when the light&#039;s red, mmmmmm...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn and Urbanis:  How about this &#8212; instead of a yield system that I don&#8217;t think will really work, how about putting in some of those good old-fashioned buttons that allow pedestrians to trigger a red light?  You can still find old ones on some city street corners, and believe it or not they used to actually do something.  Set the minimum green light at two or three minutes so that pedestrians can&#8217;t keep it red all the time.  And when there are no pedestrians around it just stays green.  That way the bikers get more green time and pedestrians can cross when they need to, providing people actually stop at the red lights.  (Maybe some tire spikes that pop up when the light&#8217;s red, mmmmmm&#8230;)</p>
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