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	<title>Comments on: Manhattan CB2 Unanimously Approves Eighth Avenue Cycle Track</title>
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		<title>By: Max Rockatansky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Rockatansky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a link to the Chicago bike center - http://www.chicagobikestation.com/ - free parking (for 300 bikes) and if you&#039;re a member, access to showers and lockers, 10% discount on repairs, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here's a link to the Chicago bike center - <a href="http://www.chicagobikestation.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagobikestation.com/</a> - free parking (for 300 bikes) and if you're a member, access to showers and lockers, 10% discount on repairs, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: woo</title>
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		<dc:creator>woo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chicago made one bike station w/ secure parking, showers etc, and they became the darlings of bike parking proponents everywhere.  Let&#039;s do what NYC does best - economies of scale!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chicago made one bike station w/ secure parking, showers etc, and they became the darlings of bike parking proponents everywhere.  Let's do what NYC does best - economies of scale!</p>
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		<title>By: Urbanis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urbanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max #12, what *did* Chicago do with regards to bicycle parking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max #12, what *did* Chicago do with regards to bicycle parking?</p>
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		<title>By: Max Rockatansky</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/24/manhattan-cb2-unanimously-approves-eighth-avenue-cycle-track/comment-page-1/#comment-52597</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Rockatansky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Secured bike parking? If only.... until then my 30 yr old Raleigh gets me where I need to go. Chicago managed to get it done though, so it&#039;s not impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Secured bike parking? If only.... until then my 30 yr old Raleigh gets me where I need to go. Chicago managed to get it done though, so it's not impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Urbanis: Thanks for the cheers, but I can&#039;t really take much credit. Sure, our neighborhood and CB has been advocating for safer streets for everyone and worried about the volume of traffic that we&#039;re straddled with for years. 

I&#039;m just thrilled that we have an agency that is responding to those neighborhood concerns and engaging the communities in creating strategies to address them. And there is a synergy between DOT and the community boards that are willing to try new approaches - really, the only risk is bearing the groans from people that are trying to stick to past methodology that clearly was not serving anyone well.

Like you, I look forward to the northward extension of this project through Midtown, as CB4 requested when they first approved of the Eighth Ave. lane. When I asked DOT about that, they said that they&#039;re working full-time on those kinds of improvements, and as time and budgets allow (and soon), we&#039;ll be hearing about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urbanis: Thanks for the cheers, but I can't really take much credit. Sure, our neighborhood and CB has been advocating for safer streets for everyone and worried about the volume of traffic that we're straddled with for years. </p>
<p>I'm just thrilled that we have an agency that is responding to those neighborhood concerns and engaging the communities in creating strategies to address them. And there is a synergy between DOT and the community boards that are willing to try new approaches - really, the only risk is bearing the groans from people that are trying to stick to past methodology that clearly was not serving anyone well.</p>
<p>Like you, I look forward to the northward extension of this project through Midtown, as CB4 requested when they first approved of the Eighth Ave. lane. When I asked DOT about that, they said that they're working full-time on those kinds of improvements, and as time and budgets allow (and soon), we'll be hearing about them.</p>
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		<title>By: Urbanis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urbanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Max, thanks for the affirmation. Let me expand your definition of &quot;making it safe&quot; for bike commuters: we not only need safe routes, we need secure indoor parking throughout the city so we don&#039;t risk having our bicycles stolen! This means requiring commercial office buildings to allow employees to bring their bicycles indoors and parking garages to provide bicycle parking space at a reasonable rate. For example, if you can fit 12 bicycles into a car space, then a cyclist should be charged 1/12 of the car rate--so, $2 per day if the daily rate for cars is $24.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Max, thanks for the affirmation. Let me expand your definition of "making it safe" for bike commuters: we not only need safe routes, we need secure indoor parking throughout the city so we don't risk having our bicycles stolen! This means requiring commercial office buildings to allow employees to bring their bicycles indoors and parking garages to provide bicycle parking space at a reasonable rate. For example, if you can fit 12 bicycles into a car space, then a cyclist should be charged 1/12 of the car rate--so, $2 per day if the daily rate for cars is $24.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Rockatansky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Rockatansky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Urbanis has the right idea, the only way to significantly grow the amount of bike commuters is by making it safe. With the direction that the MTA is heading the city definitely needs to create incentives for people to use alternate forms of transportation - adding protected cycle tracks has to be one of the least expensive options available. Especially since we get no love from Albany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urbanis has the right idea, the only way to significantly grow the amount of bike commuters is by making it safe. With the direction that the MTA is heading the city definitely needs to create incentives for people to use alternate forms of transportation - adding protected cycle tracks has to be one of the least expensive options available. Especially since we get no love from Albany.</p>
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		<title>By: Urbanis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urbanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really fabulous news. Ian, congratulations to you and your livable streets cohorts for making this happen. As Zach said, the 8th Avenue cycle track will be a lifeline for uptown bicycle commuters. However, we can&#039;t stop here. For this protected cycle track to be of maximum benefit, we&#039;ll need to extend it through midtown. Traffic congestion really gets nightmarish around Penn Station and Port Authority and negotiating Columbus Circle takes nerves of steel. A protected cycle track here would make all the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really fabulous news. Ian, congratulations to you and your livable streets cohorts for making this happen. As Zach said, the 8th Avenue cycle track will be a lifeline for uptown bicycle commuters. However, we can't stop here. For this protected cycle track to be of maximum benefit, we'll need to extend it through midtown. Traffic congestion really gets nightmarish around Penn Station and Port Authority and negotiating Columbus Circle takes nerves of steel. A protected cycle track here would make all the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, thank God. The Ninth Avenue track is great and everything, but I have no reason to ride there, ever -- I don&#039;t see how many other people do, either, it being so far out of the way. The 8th Avenue lane is a lifeline, on the other hand, despite it being full of swerving drivers. Can&#039;t wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, thank God. The Ninth Avenue track is great and everything, but I have no reason to ride there, ever -- I don't see how many other people do, either, it being so far out of the way. The 8th Avenue lane is a lifeline, on the other hand, despite it being full of swerving drivers. Can't wait.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey #5- rob,

Actually, as every well informed person knows, more bike lanes doesn&#039;t make more congestion. Just the opposite. It helps the cars to slow down therefore creating what is known as the ripple effect. Cars slow down, bikes slow down etc. And not all &quot;bikers&quot; are rude, only certain messengers and a few others, like those who ride in Central Park and think it is their own domain. But that&#039;s besides the point. Do a little research before sticking your foot in your mouth, dude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey #5- rob,</p>
<p>Actually, as every well informed person knows, more bike lanes doesn't make more congestion. Just the opposite. It helps the cars to slow down therefore creating what is known as the ripple effect. Cars slow down, bikes slow down etc. And not all "bikers" are rude, only certain messengers and a few others, like those who ride in Central Park and think it is their own domain. But that's besides the point. Do a little research before sticking your foot in your mouth, dude.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great. Now we&#039;ll have more congestion and more rude, crazy bikers. Way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great. Now we'll have more congestion and more rude, crazy bikers. Way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: da</title>
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		<dc:creator>da</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Nick&#039;s assessment above.  My wife and kids don&#039;t like to ride in NYC even in the painted bike lanes.  But when we visited Montreal last year and rode in the protected lanes, they thought it was great and we rode all over town comfortably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Nick's assessment above.  My wife and kids don't like to ride in NYC even in the painted bike lanes.  But when we visited Montreal last year and rode in the protected lanes, they thought it was great and we rode all over town comfortably.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Muchas Gracias, Merci Beaucoup, kersenem, etc.   CB 2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Muchas Gracias, Merci Beaucoup, kersenem, etc.   CB 2</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>really nice.</description>
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		<title>By: Nick Grossman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Grossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s great news.  Just this weekend, we bought my wife her first ever bike and rode around the city.  She was terrified until we got to the 9th Avenue cycle track.  Immediately, the experience was 100% different.

As Enrique and Gil Penalosa both regularly say, if a bike facility isn&#039;t safe for an 8-year-old grandson with his 85-year-old grandfather, it isn&#039;t a real bike facility.

I sincerely hope that NYC continues adding these separated lanes to its transportation infrastructure; it makes a huge difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's great news.  Just this weekend, we bought my wife her first ever bike and rode around the city.  She was terrified until we got to the 9th Avenue cycle track.  Immediately, the experience was 100% different.</p>
<p>As Enrique and Gil Penalosa both regularly say, if a bike facility isn't safe for an 8-year-old grandson with his 85-year-old grandfather, it isn't a real bike facility.</p>
<p>I sincerely hope that NYC continues adding these separated lanes to its transportation infrastructure; it makes a huge difference.</p>
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