Comments on: No Place Safe For Pedestrians Amid Rash of Sidewalk Crashes http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/23/no-place-safe-for-pedestrians-amid-rash-of-sidewalk-crashes/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:01:47 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: evbart http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/23/no-place-safe-for-pedestrians-amid-rash-of-sidewalk-crashes/comment-page-1/#comment-52708 evbart Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:20:13 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/23/no-place-safe-for-pedestrians-amid-rash-of-sidewalk-crashes/#comment-52708 I was shocked by the number of pedestrian accidents that happened that day. 3 separate incidents in one day?! If this doesn't draw the cities attention to the dangers of having so many cars in such a densely populated area, then I don't know what will. People should be outraged, and should demand a change in the priority given to motor vehicles in our cities. I was shocked by the number of pedestrian accidents that happened that day. 3 separate incidents in one day?!

If this doesn't draw the cities attention to the dangers of having so many cars in such a densely populated area, then I don't know what will.

People should be outraged, and should demand a change in the priority given to motor vehicles in our cities.

]]> By: galvo http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/23/no-place-safe-for-pedestrians-amid-rash-of-sidewalk-crashes/comment-page-1/#comment-52471 galvo Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:03:04 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/23/no-place-safe-for-pedestrians-amid-rash-of-sidewalk-crashes/#comment-52471 sounded like the dumptruck was being operated at a dangerous speed and the driver was not able to maintain control. The dump truck drivers, drive like the independent garbage truck drivers, out of control traffic calming measures should be implemented at all these hazardous bridge exits. 20 mph speed limits are needed. sounded like the dumptruck was being operated at a dangerous speed and the driver was not able to maintain control. The dump truck drivers, drive like the independent garbage truck drivers, out of control
traffic calming measures should be implemented at all these hazardous bridge exits.
20 mph speed limits are needed.

]]> By: Andy B from Jersey http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/23/no-place-safe-for-pedestrians-amid-rash-of-sidewalk-crashes/comment-page-1/#comment-52466 Andy B from Jersey Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:48:21 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/23/no-place-safe-for-pedestrians-amid-rash-of-sidewalk-crashes/#comment-52466 It must have been the full moon last week but there was an abnormally high abundance of deadly pedestrian crashes in New Jersey last week as well. See: Avalon Police Investigate Hit-and-Run Crash; Two Injured Cape May County Herald • Thursday, June 19, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/4zwz4x Manasquan High School student, 18, fatally struck by train in Spring Lake Asbury Park Press • Friday, June 20, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5sb42q Fair Lawn teen struck walking to school The Record • Wednesday, June 18, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/46adgr Police vehicle strikes pedestrian on Route 9 The Star-Ledger • Sunday, June 15, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/423e4h Trace suspect in fatal WNY hit-run The Jersey Journal • Friday, June 20, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/4nuhnb Hit-and-run suspect leaps into river in Newark The Star-Ledger • Monday, June 16, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/4u5zm5 & Body of hit-and-run suspect is pulled from Passaic River in Newark The Star-Ledger • Wednesday June 18, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/4croct Man charged with leaving scene of fatal accident South Jersey News Online • Tuesday June 17, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/4ty5fm Mother, 2 children struck by Jeep in Perth Amboy The Star-Ledger • Tuesday June 17, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5zm3bh Police identify man killed by truck in Linden The Star-Ledger • Wednesday June 18, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6e4te9 Hit and run in West Deptford Sunday morning South Jersey News Online • Sunday, June 15, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/3tuf8n Bicyclist remains critical after he collided with car Daily Record • Friday, June 20, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6dn37o Train hits, kills woman on tracks & Bicyclist hit by vehicle Asbury Park Press • Monday, June 16, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5w5l2b It must have been the full moon last week but there was an abnormally high abundance of deadly pedestrian crashes in New Jersey last week as well. See:

Avalon Police Investigate Hit-and-Run Crash; Two Injured
Cape May County Herald • Thursday, June 19, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/4zwz4x

Manasquan High School student, 18, fatally struck by train in Spring Lake
Asbury Park Press • Friday, June 20, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/5sb42q

Fair Lawn teen struck walking to school
The Record • Wednesday, June 18, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/46adgr

Police vehicle strikes pedestrian on Route 9
The Star-Ledger • Sunday, June 15, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/423e4h

Trace suspect in fatal WNY hit-run
The Jersey Journal • Friday, June 20, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/4nuhnb

Hit-and-run suspect leaps into river in Newark
The Star-Ledger • Monday, June 16, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/4u5zm5
&
Body of hit-and-run suspect is pulled from Passaic River in Newark
The Star-Ledger • Wednesday June 18, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/4croct

Man charged with leaving scene of fatal accident
South Jersey News Online • Tuesday June 17, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/4ty5fm

Mother, 2 children struck by Jeep in Perth Amboy
The Star-Ledger • Tuesday June 17, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/5zm3bh

Police identify man killed by truck in Linden
The Star-Ledger • Wednesday June 18, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/6e4te9

Hit and run in West Deptford Sunday morning
South Jersey News Online • Sunday, June 15, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/3tuf8n

Bicyclist remains critical after he collided with car
Daily Record • Friday, June 20, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/6dn37o

Train hits, kills woman on tracks
&
Bicyclist hit by vehicle
Asbury Park Press • Monday, June 16, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/5w5l2b

]]> By: Vroomfondel http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/23/no-place-safe-for-pedestrians-amid-rash-of-sidewalk-crashes/comment-page-1/#comment-52457 Vroomfondel Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:06:44 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/23/no-place-safe-for-pedestrians-amid-rash-of-sidewalk-crashes/#comment-52457 I'm intrigued by the coincidence of this thread here and a thread about competing groups in Central Park at the Brian Lehrer Show today. The discussion at WNYC attracted the usual slew of anti-bike comments that go roughly like "Two years ago a biker was rude to a friend of a friend of my cousin, therefore bikes are more dangerous than cars." I'm hearing this a lot, sometimes even from smart and educated people, and I'm wondering whether it would make sense to counter this by juxtaposing all bike-on-pedestrian accidents over, say, the past year with a list of car-on-pedestrian fatalities that have an additional freakish aspect to them, like today's bus crashing into a bank, or a curb-jumping cab killing a pedestrian just outside a restaurant. The point would be that even if you restrict your attention to car accidents with an additional ridiculous property, you still see a lot more carnage than that caused by bikes. I'm not sure whether this would be an effective way of dealing with the "bikes are worse than cars" meme, but it might be worth a try. Any thoughts? I'm intrigued by the coincidence of this thread here and a thread about competing groups in Central Park at the Brian Lehrer Show today. The discussion at WNYC attracted the usual slew of anti-bike comments that go roughly like "Two years ago a biker was rude to a friend of a friend of my cousin, therefore bikes are more dangerous than cars."

I'm hearing this a lot, sometimes even from smart and educated people, and I'm wondering whether it would make sense to counter this by juxtaposing all bike-on-pedestrian accidents over, say, the past year with a list of car-on-pedestrian fatalities that have an additional freakish aspect to them, like today's bus crashing into a bank, or a curb-jumping cab killing a pedestrian just outside a restaurant. The point would be that even if you restrict your attention to car accidents with an additional ridiculous property, you still see a lot more carnage than that caused by bikes.

I'm not sure whether this would be an effective way of dealing with the "bikes are worse than cars" meme, but it might be worth a try. Any thoughts?

]]> By: Fritz http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/23/no-place-safe-for-pedestrians-amid-rash-of-sidewalk-crashes/comment-page-1/#comment-52456 Fritz Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:01:34 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/23/no-place-safe-for-pedestrians-amid-rash-of-sidewalk-crashes/#comment-52456 Paul Steely White, I agree but you have to be careful. I know where I live they put up a new island like TA recommends which forced bikes out of the shoulder and into traffic. I think bollards are a great idea if they are biking friendly. Also, some higher curbs (assuming these happened at some of the older dilapidated ones) might have helped in all cases but the bus. Paul Steely White, I agree but you have to be careful. I know where I live they put up a new island like TA recommends which forced bikes out of the shoulder and into traffic. I think bollards are a great idea if they are biking friendly. Also, some higher curbs (assuming these happened at some of the older dilapidated ones) might have helped in all cases but the bus.

]]> By: Ian D http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/23/no-place-safe-for-pedestrians-amid-rash-of-sidewalk-crashes/comment-page-1/#comment-52448 Ian D Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:14:21 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/23/no-place-safe-for-pedestrians-amid-rash-of-sidewalk-crashes/#comment-52448 Sure makes crane collapses seem like a minor threat when people are getting mowed down at this kind of rate, eh? And the city is going to do exactly what about it? Why do I think the City Council isn't going to convene any special hearings or reform the driver-enforcement department? Sure makes crane collapses seem like a minor threat when people are getting mowed down at this kind of rate, eh?

And the city is going to do exactly what about it? Why do I think the City Council isn't going to convene any special hearings or reform the driver-enforcement department?

]]> By: Paul Steely White http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/23/no-place-safe-for-pedestrians-amid-rash-of-sidewalk-crashes/comment-page-1/#comment-52427 Paul Steely White Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:55:20 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/23/no-place-safe-for-pedestrians-amid-rash-of-sidewalk-crashes/#comment-52427 most curb jumping happens at intersections. a simple solution is to deploy bollards, at least at the intersections of high ped volume streets. as in many european cities. see this T.A. report from last year http://www.transalt.org/files/newsroom/reports/rethinking_bollards.pdf most curb jumping happens at intersections. a simple solution is to deploy bollards, at least at the intersections of high ped volume streets. as in many european cities. see this T.A. report from last year

http://www.transalt.org/files/newsroom/reports/rethinking_bollards.pdf

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