Comments on: Car Buyers Pick Their Poison: Free Gun or Free Gas http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:01:47 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Galls http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-52469 Galls Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:08:32 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/#comment-52469 I am from NYC, but I am no coffee drinking yuppie. If you fundamentally agree with Locke and with the potential tyranny of governments then you should agree with gun ownership, you however, will just stick with ignorant assumptions and not comparing the harm with the actual benefits. But back to the ignorance of your post Max, where I bike, kayak, camp and hike you better have a gun and not for Humans. I am from NYC, but I am no coffee drinking yuppie. If you fundamentally agree with Locke and with the potential tyranny of governments then you should agree with gun ownership, you however, will just stick with ignorant assumptions and not comparing the harm with the actual benefits.

But back to the ignorance of your post Max, where I bike, kayak, camp and hike you better have a gun and not for Humans.

]]> By: Max Rockatansky http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-51428 Max Rockatansky Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:13:57 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/#comment-51428 Re: commuteroutrage post - if you click on the link to the book that he quotes his gun statistics it opens the Amazon.com sales page. Prominently display on that page is a quote from the New England Journal of Medicine refuting the author's claims. Oops! Re: commuteroutrage post - if you click on the link to the book that he quotes his gun statistics it opens the Amazon.com sales page. Prominently display on that page is a quote from the New England Journal of Medicine refuting the author's claims. Oops!

]]> By: Vroomfondel http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-51417 Vroomfondel Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:10:54 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/#comment-51417 Which self-respecting coffee snob would even look at a $250 espresso machine? Latte-sipping elites aren't what they used to be... Which self-respecting coffee snob would even look at a $250 espresso machine? Latte-sipping elites aren't what they used to be...

]]> By: Eric http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-51410 Eric Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:06:54 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/#comment-51410 God Bless America! Those Commuter Outrage folks' analyses of crime-reduction causalities are about as scientifically grounded as "intelligent design" theories. But I suppose those advocating for gun giveaways and creationism are largely one and the same. God Bless America!

Those Commuter Outrage folks' analyses of crime-reduction causalities are about as scientifically grounded as "intelligent design" theories. But I suppose those advocating for gun giveaways and creationism are largely one and the same.

]]> By: JF http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-51401 JF Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:48:59 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/#comment-51401 Yeah, Mike, but the latte quote came from Stephen Dubner, not anyone on Streetsblog, and yet Judd chose that quote to label Streetsbloggers as elitist. There's no point in having a debate with someone who's not going to play fair. Yeah, Mike, but the latte quote came from Stephen Dubner, not anyone on Streetsblog, and yet Judd chose that quote to label Streetsbloggers as elitist. There's no point in having a debate with someone who's not going to play fair.

]]> By: Mike D. http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-51399 Mike D. Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:16:59 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/#comment-51399 This post also exposes you to ridicule from the wingnuts http://www.commuteroutrage.com/2008/06/04/pick-your-poison-gas-guns-or-elitism I must say, on this one they make some very good points. For instance, of the 30,694 gun deaths you mention, 17,002 were apparently suicides. This post also exposes you to ridicule from the wingnuts

http://www.commuteroutrage.com/2008/06/04/pick-your-poison-gas-guns-or-elitism

I must say, on this one they make some very good points. For instance, of the 30,694 gun deaths you mention, 17,002 were apparently suicides.

]]> By: Dave H. http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-51394 Dave H. Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:27:23 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/#comment-51394 And I meant it to add: "And you may be right that it's worth it." And I meant it to add: "And you may be right that it's worth it."

]]> By: Dave H. http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-51393 Dave H. Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:26:41 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/#comment-51393 Ben - I suppose that's true, but I occasionally become worried that the livable-streets movement is too associated with the latte-drinking, gentrifying crowd when, in fact, there are plenty more groups that should be its natural allies. Gun-lovers may not be one of them. Still, the only sense I see in antagonizing gun-lovers is to fire up the livable-streets latte-drinking base by associating gun->car->redneck. Ben - I suppose that's true, but I occasionally become worried that the livable-streets movement is too associated with the latte-drinking, gentrifying crowd when, in fact, there are plenty more groups that should be its natural allies. Gun-lovers may not be one of them. Still, the only sense I see in antagonizing gun-lovers is to fire up the livable-streets latte-drinking base by associating gun->car->redneck.

]]> By: Ben Fried http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-51384 Ben Fried Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:59:16 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/#comment-51384 CK and Dave H. -- thanks for the edits. Copy has been amended. As for making enemies, my guess is that this post won't alienate many people who are not already firmly opposed to our views on transportation policy. CK and Dave H. -- thanks for the edits. Copy has been amended.

As for making enemies, my guess is that this post won't alienate many people who are not already firmly opposed to our views on transportation policy.

]]> By: Dave H. http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-51379 Dave H. Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:15:43 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/#comment-51379 Hmm, Streetsblog... This posting verges on drawing the fight against auto-dependence into wider cultural and class conflicts in the United States. Is this really a good thing or does it risk making more enemies than allies? (That's not a rhetorical question). Hmm, Streetsblog... This posting verges on drawing the fight against auto-dependence into wider cultural and class conflicts in the United States. Is this really a good thing or does it risk making more enemies than allies? (That's not a rhetorical question).

]]> By: Dave H. http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-51378 Dave H. Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:13:32 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/#comment-51378 Typo: the high price of gas seems not be influencing consumers' decisions. should be: the high price of gas seems not TO be influencing consumers' decisions. Typo: the high price of gas seems not be influencing consumers' decisions.

should be: the high price of gas seems not TO be influencing consumers' decisions.

]]> By: Charles Komanoff http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-51377 Charles Komanoff Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:13:14 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/#comment-51377 "...about an hour south of Kansas City ..." I thought we Livable Streets Types were through with the drive-time-as-distance metric. Or did you mean by bike? Nice piece though (I mean article, not "piece"). "...about an hour south of Kansas City ..." I thought we Livable Streets Types were through with the drive-time-as-distance metric. Or did you mean by bike? Nice piece though (I mean article, not "piece").

]]> By: Angus Grieve-Smith http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-51375 Angus Grieve-Smith Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:07:31 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/#comment-51375 I believe it's Walsenburg, CO that has a drive-through liquor store and gun shop, though. Hard to beat that. I believe it's Walsenburg, CO that has a drive-through liquor store and gun shop, though. Hard to beat that.

]]> By: Max Rockatansky http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-51373 Max Rockatansky Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:06:37 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/#comment-51373 I'd take the gun, it'll be handy for the upcoming gas warz. I'd take the gun, it'll be handy for the upcoming gas warz.

]]> By: Mark Walker http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-51372 Mark Walker Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:01:53 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/06/04/car-buyers-pick-their-poison-free-gun-or-free-gas/#comment-51372 While the promotion was running, the car dealer's website threw in this irony-proof slogan: "We are aware of the gasoline and crime problem in America. Max Motors...wants to be part of the solution and not part of the problem." Original graphic reproduced here: http://www.mazine.ws/blog/god-guns-cars-gas-we-did-it-because-barack-obama-bible-exxon-chevron-bp-and-shell While the promotion was running, the car dealer's website threw in this irony-proof slogan:

"We are aware of the gasoline and crime problem in America. Max Motors...wants to be part of the solution and not part of the problem."

Original graphic reproduced here:

http://www.mazine.ws/blog/god-guns-cars-gas-we-did-it-because-barack-obama-bible-exxon-chevron-bp-and-shell

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