Comments on: The Latest Innovation From Paris: Cargocycles http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:07:22 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Lewis Derkins http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/comment-page-1/#comment-52018 Lewis Derkins Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:03:16 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/#comment-52018 I read this article about cargocycles. Are you guys serious about this? I mean come on, who needs 50 pounds of cheese? Is that really a solution? I agree it's unique, but this isn't really going to do anything for the city overall. I read this article about cargocycles. Are you guys serious about this? I mean come on, who needs 50 pounds of cheese? Is that really a solution?

I agree it's unique, but this isn't really going to do anything for the city overall.

]]> By: A Guy http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/comment-page-1/#comment-50803 A Guy Fri, 23 May 2008 21:16:19 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/#comment-50803 The political issue with pedicabs is competition with taxis for fares. To date nobody has cared about cargo bikes. Pedicabs and taxis may both be big bikes, but they have as much in common as yellow cabs and box trucks. Point to point couriers aren't encouraged or discouraged from using cargo bikes. The political issue with pedicabs is competition with taxis for fares. To date nobody has cared about cargo bikes. Pedicabs and taxis may both be big bikes, but they have as much in common as yellow cabs and box trucks. Point to point couriers aren't encouraged or discouraged from using cargo bikes.

]]> By: Andy B from Jersey http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/comment-page-1/#comment-50793 Andy B from Jersey Fri, 23 May 2008 17:12:30 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/#comment-50793 I hear ya' Brad but the tongue-in-cheek inflection wasn't obvious. To make it worse, my intended inflection of giving you a good ol' ribbing probably didn't make it across either. BTW - Who makes that cargo bike? I'm familiar with most models but have never seen that one. It wouldn't surprise me however to learn that it is indeed NOT French but anything is possible. I hear ya' Brad but the tongue-in-cheek inflection wasn't obvious. To make it worse, my intended inflection of giving you a good ol' ribbing probably didn't make it across either.

BTW - Who makes that cargo bike? I'm familiar with most models but have never seen that one. It wouldn't surprise me however to learn that it is indeed NOT French but anything is possible.

]]> By: Larry Littlefield http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/comment-page-1/#comment-50770 Larry Littlefield Fri, 23 May 2008 14:26:48 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/#comment-50770 I wonder what the traffic impact of bicycle messengers and delivery people is. Can you imagine if every one of those small deliveries had to be made by car or van? Forget the movement, how about the parking? I wonder what the traffic impact of bicycle messengers and delivery people is. Can you imagine if every one of those small deliveries had to be made by car or van? Forget the movement, how about the parking?

]]> By: A Guy http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/comment-page-1/#comment-50769 A Guy Fri, 23 May 2008 14:12:29 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/#comment-50769 These cargo bikes aren't competing directly with vans, they are competing with the bike messenger/van combo. NYC couriers have tried cargo bikes with mixed success. A combo of bike messengers and cargo vans and box trucks have proven far more economical and flexible. Vans can hold much more (including very heavy and oversize items) are impervious to weather, easier to park overnight and do not cost much more to operate per package. Couriers look at their operations as a system compromised of dispatch and different delivery modes. Gas is $8-$9 in Paris. Maybe the economics change if it gets to that here. These cargo bikes aren't competing directly with vans, they are competing with the bike messenger/van combo. NYC couriers have tried cargo bikes with mixed success. A combo of bike messengers and cargo vans and box trucks have proven far more economical and flexible. Vans can hold much more (including very heavy and oversize items) are impervious to weather, easier to park overnight and do not cost much more to operate per package. Couriers look at their operations as a system compromised of dispatch and different delivery modes. Gas is $8-$9 in Paris. Maybe the economics change if it gets to that here.

]]> By: Brian http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/comment-page-1/#comment-50767 Brian Fri, 23 May 2008 13:52:25 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/#comment-50767 I've seen these guys making deliveries on 6th Ave http://www.revcargo.com I've seen these guys making deliveries on 6th Ave
http://www.revcargo.com

]]> By: Brad Aaron http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/comment-page-1/#comment-50764 Brad Aaron Fri, 23 May 2008 13:15:25 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/#comment-50764 Andy B., the headline, at least, was intended to be tongue-in-cheek. But to me the innovation is that in Paris, this company is using cargocycles for mainstream carriers like DHL, whereas NYC is actually working to limit the number of similar vehicles (pedicabs) on its streets. Andy B., the headline, at least, was intended to be tongue-in-cheek. But to me the innovation is that in Paris, this company is using cargocycles for mainstream carriers like DHL, whereas NYC is actually working to limit the number of similar vehicles (pedicabs) on its streets.

]]> By: Angus Grieve-Smith http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/comment-page-1/#comment-50754 Angus Grieve-Smith Fri, 23 May 2008 04:12:12 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/#comment-50754 Well, Jeremy, it looks like they can be yours for under $10,000 - not including shipping: http://www.lapetitereine.com/VEH_cargo2.php Well, Jeremy, it looks like they can be yours for under $10,000 - not including shipping:

http://www.lapetitereine.com/VEH_cargo2.php

]]> By: jeremy http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/comment-page-1/#comment-50753 jeremy Fri, 23 May 2008 03:45:01 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/#comment-50753 I want one... where can i get one? I want one... where can i get one?

]]> By: Angus Grieve-Smith http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/comment-page-1/#comment-50747 Angus Grieve-Smith Thu, 22 May 2008 23:36:01 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/#comment-50747 Andy, it's true that Worksman sells delivery tricycles: http://worksmancycles.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/frontload.html However, they don't have anything that has the capacity of the cheesecycle, let alone the ones La Petite Reine uses. Andy, it's true that Worksman sells delivery tricycles:

http://worksmancycles.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/frontload.html

However, they don't have anything that has the capacity of the cheesecycle, let alone the ones La Petite Reine uses.

]]> By: gecko http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/comment-page-1/#comment-50745 gecko Thu, 22 May 2008 22:21:25 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/#comment-50745 Andy B from Jersey, That's why NYC should encourage increased use perhaps, through a closer collaboration with the current population of bicycle delivery people and messengers and what amenties, technology, and infrastructure, etc. would make their jobs easier and safer. Andy B from Jersey, That's why NYC should encourage increased use perhaps, through a closer collaboration with the current population of bicycle delivery people and messengers and what amenties, technology, and infrastructure, etc. would make their jobs easier and safer.

]]> By: Andy B from Jersey http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/comment-page-1/#comment-50744 Andy B from Jersey Thu, 22 May 2008 21:46:25 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/#comment-50744 Oh come on! The Parisians didn't invent commercial cargo bicycles. They've been used all throughout northern Europe, Asia and even here in the US for over a hundred years! Long Johns, Short Johns, Butcher's Bikes, etc. etc. And lets not forget New York's own Workmans Industrial Bicycles (est 1898) with their Pizza Delivery Bicycle among many other offerings that have been plying the mean streets of NYC for many decades. Oh come on!

The Parisians didn't invent commercial cargo bicycles. They've been used all throughout northern Europe, Asia and even here in the US for over a hundred years! Long Johns, Short Johns, Butcher's Bikes, etc. etc.

And lets not forget New York's own Workmans Industrial Bicycles (est 1898) with their Pizza Delivery Bicycle among many other offerings that have been plying the mean streets of NYC for many decades.

]]> By: gecko http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/comment-page-1/#comment-50741 gecko Thu, 22 May 2008 20:53:44 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/#comment-50741 NYC should have an initiative encouraging broad use of these cargocycles. NYC should have an initiative encouraging broad use of these cargocycles.

]]> By: Douglas Mayle http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/comment-page-1/#comment-50740 Douglas Mayle Thu, 22 May 2008 20:44:16 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/22/the-latest-innovation-from-paris-cargocycles/#comment-50740 Just a slight correction, La Petite Reine means "The Little Queen", and not "Queen of the Road" Just a slight correction, La Petite Reine means "The Little Queen", and not "Queen of the Road"

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