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	<title>Comments on: Historic Town Chooses to &#8220;Retain Its Charm&#8221; By Enabling Sprawl</title>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand corrected. Many in town use the existing businesses but more need to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected. Many in town use the existing businesses but more need to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: MWBrown</title>
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		<dc:creator>MWBrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where are the PR firms who can provide good charette opportunities for the communities faced with complex planning issues?

Practitioners with Masters degrees and Ph.d&#039;s find the journey from problem to solution vexing.  What are we to expect from the layman with other responsibilities and for whom the impacts are real and daunting (Americans primary vehicle for savings is their home and then they have to LIVE in the community in question)?

The ability to intelligently engage the community is key to successfully implementing smart growth management strategies.  To short shrift the process in favor of &quot;getting it over quickly&quot; is a penny-wise, pound-foolish option that will cost more in the long run and probably leave a community with something less than what they deserve.

Engage wisely and intelligently with the community and everyone wins.

Have I discovered an under-served niche in the planning and development market-place? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where are the PR firms who can provide good charette opportunities for the communities faced with complex planning issues?</p>
<p>Practitioners with Masters degrees and Ph.d's find the journey from problem to solution vexing.  What are we to expect from the layman with other responsibilities and for whom the impacts are real and daunting (Americans primary vehicle for savings is their home and then they have to LIVE in the community in question)?</p>
<p>The ability to intelligently engage the community is key to successfully implementing smart growth management strategies.  To short shrift the process in favor of "getting it over quickly" is a penny-wise, pound-foolish option that will cost more in the long run and probably leave a community with something less than what they deserve.</p>
<p>Engage wisely and intelligently with the community and everyone wins.</p>
<p>Have I discovered an under-served niche in the planning and development market-place? <img src='http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tom's wife</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom's wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is time for the supporters of the proposed land use document that was sent back for revisions to deal with the fact that their views and opinions about that document were rejected soundly by the majority of the residents of Bordentown City and the City Councilmen.  

Their logic about the &quot;best&quot; way to zone Bordentown was unacceptable and rejected by the residents.  Absolutly no one disagrees that the current zoning document from 1983 needed revision.  We disagree with the philosophy, and applications of that philosophy, that the framers of the land use document tried to impose on citizens without due notice.  

If this wasn&#039;t so, then why were so many provisions stricken by the city council?  Why was the document sent back to the planning board for revisions?  Certainly, not because it was wonderful.  To continue to justify that seriously flawed ordinance on the basis of comments like, &quot; The new Ordinance takes on the extremely complex task of preserving and maintaining parts of a truly great place while controlling redevelopment in a way that makes sense now and in the future,&quot; shows, again, how the supporters of the document refuse to recognize that they lost.  The people of Bordentown spoke loudly that we have a different vision for the future of our wonderful town.

Those type of comments mean nothing now.  The document as it stood was rejected.  Deal with that fact.  It is time to move on and forward with the objective of improving the zoning codes so that they reflect the needs of the whole community, not only a few &quot;believers&quot; who drank the Kool Aid.  

Join with us in working collaboratively to achieve the goal of rewriting the new land use ordinance so that it will bring Bordentown&#039;s zoning laws into the 21st century in a manner that has true public imput and approval.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is time for the supporters of the proposed land use document that was sent back for revisions to deal with the fact that their views and opinions about that document were rejected soundly by the majority of the residents of Bordentown City and the City Councilmen.  </p>
<p>Their logic about the "best" way to zone Bordentown was unacceptable and rejected by the residents.  Absolutly no one disagrees that the current zoning document from 1983 needed revision.  We disagree with the philosophy, and applications of that philosophy, that the framers of the land use document tried to impose on citizens without due notice.  </p>
<p>If this wasn't so, then why were so many provisions stricken by the city council?  Why was the document sent back to the planning board for revisions?  Certainly, not because it was wonderful.  To continue to justify that seriously flawed ordinance on the basis of comments like, " The new Ordinance takes on the extremely complex task of preserving and maintaining parts of a truly great place while controlling redevelopment in a way that makes sense now and in the future," shows, again, how the supporters of the document refuse to recognize that they lost.  The people of Bordentown spoke loudly that we have a different vision for the future of our wonderful town.</p>
<p>Those type of comments mean nothing now.  The document as it stood was rejected.  Deal with that fact.  It is time to move on and forward with the objective of improving the zoning codes so that they reflect the needs of the whole community, not only a few "believers" who drank the Kool Aid.  </p>
<p>Join with us in working collaboratively to achieve the goal of rewriting the new land use ordinance so that it will bring Bordentown's zoning laws into the 21st century in a manner that has true public imput and approval.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The latest comment (from &quot;John&quot;) presents a false choice, between an old, out of date 1983 ordinance and the &quot;new and improved&quot; ordinance that was rejected by the vast majority of the residents in this town. That does not reflect the reality of the situation. Everybody acknowledges that the old ordinance is out of date. The issue is whether the new ordinance esopouses a vision that is consistent with the one shared by most of the people in the town. The resounding answer --- and it was overwhelmingly so --- was that while many parts of the new ordinance were acceptable, other portions of it would take the city in a dirction of which the vast majority of the residents vigorously  disapprove. 

     For example, as John states in his comment above, the current zoning code allows for residential development in the Marina District. This is true. What John doesn&#039;t state is that the new code would have allowed for the building of hotels, shops and stores for retail business, seafood markets, snack bars, offices for brokers and surveyors, educational faciliteis, art galleries, etc., etc., etc. For reasons that the drafters of the new ordinance can&#039;t seem to comprehend (and/or accept), most of the peple who found out about this plan reacted with near-universal outrage. The proposed plan would despoil a largely undeveloped, ecologically sensitive section of the town. Moreover, we are talkling about a postage-size section of real estate that floods regularly because it is literally on the banks of the Delaware. So maybe the old code needed to be revised, but to call for hotels instead of residences did not strike most of us as being an improvement. Far from it. Unfortunately, to date we have heard nothing from the Planning Board as to why the building of a &quot;Marriott Floodplain&quot; is an appropriaste use of the land. Accordingly, the conculsion of almost all of the people in town was that some of the sections of the proposed code needed to be reviewed and reexamined to make sure thaet they were truly in the best interset of Bordentown. 

      The task before the Planning Board and the residents of Bordentown is to take the rejected ordinance, retain what is good, and amend or delete that which is not.  This time, however, the City Commissioners have appointed a committee of citizens to work with the Planning Board to make sure that any document produced by the Planning Board will be one that is consistent with what most residents want for their town. If nothing else, at least the residents will be kept informed as to what is going on at the Planning Board level, a far cry from what happened in the process of drafting the rejected ordinance. After all, the town belowngs to all of us, not just to a tiny goup of ideologues who want to impose their vision on the rest of us. Had the Planning Board truly sought out meaningful public input from the beginning instead of drafting this document and trying to pass it &quot;under the radar&quot;, the current level of controversy and acrimony would never have developed.

Tom
(not related in any way, shape or form to &quot;Tom&#039;s Wife&quot; in Comment #18)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest comment (from "John") presents a false choice, between an old, out of date 1983 ordinance and the "new and improved" ordinance that was rejected by the vast majority of the residents in this town. That does not reflect the reality of the situation. Everybody acknowledges that the old ordinance is out of date. The issue is whether the new ordinance esopouses a vision that is consistent with the one shared by most of the people in the town. The resounding answer --- and it was overwhelmingly so --- was that while many parts of the new ordinance were acceptable, other portions of it would take the city in a dirction of which the vast majority of the residents vigorously  disapprove. </p>
<p>     For example, as John states in his comment above, the current zoning code allows for residential development in the Marina District. This is true. What John doesn't state is that the new code would have allowed for the building of hotels, shops and stores for retail business, seafood markets, snack bars, offices for brokers and surveyors, educational faciliteis, art galleries, etc., etc., etc. For reasons that the drafters of the new ordinance can't seem to comprehend (and/or accept), most of the peple who found out about this plan reacted with near-universal outrage. The proposed plan would despoil a largely undeveloped, ecologically sensitive section of the town. Moreover, we are talkling about a postage-size section of real estate that floods regularly because it is literally on the banks of the Delaware. So maybe the old code needed to be revised, but to call for hotels instead of residences did not strike most of us as being an improvement. Far from it. Unfortunately, to date we have heard nothing from the Planning Board as to why the building of a "Marriott Floodplain" is an appropriaste use of the land. Accordingly, the conculsion of almost all of the people in town was that some of the sections of the proposed code needed to be reviewed and reexamined to make sure thaet they were truly in the best interset of Bordentown. </p>
<p>      The task before the Planning Board and the residents of Bordentown is to take the rejected ordinance, retain what is good, and amend or delete that which is not.  This time, however, the City Commissioners have appointed a committee of citizens to work with the Planning Board to make sure that any document produced by the Planning Board will be one that is consistent with what most residents want for their town. If nothing else, at least the residents will be kept informed as to what is going on at the Planning Board level, a far cry from what happened in the process of drafting the rejected ordinance. After all, the town belowngs to all of us, not just to a tiny goup of ideologues who want to impose their vision on the rest of us. Had the Planning Board truly sought out meaningful public input from the beginning instead of drafting this document and trying to pass it "under the radar", the current level of controversy and acrimony would never have developed.</p>
<p>Tom<br />
(not related in any way, shape or form to "Tom's Wife" in Comment #18)</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 23:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bordentown Land Use Planning Ordinance is indeed 343 pages. It consolidates 4 ordinances into one, including detailed environmental protection measures, a separate committee to review and protect historic buildings, and up to date, comprehensive, land use and property maintenance requirements. 

Bordentown is NOT some corn field where one zone fits all. AND, it&#039;s never going to be New York City. It is a vibrant diverse place where the new Ordinance acknowledges that the small existing Marina and the existing railroad tracks are NOT suitable for residential development. (as currently zoned)

The existing ordinance is not working. Short, overly broad provisions may make light reading but they make it hard to enforce. The part-time zoning and building official needs a new set of clear, detailed, enforceable provisions. 

Things change. Property owners sell out for their own reasons. Some absentee landlords will continue failing to maintain their properties. Freezing the existing Ordinance where it is now will not provide the protections that either side wants.

The new Ordinance takes on the extremely complex task of preserving and maintaining parts of a truly great place while controlling redevelopment in a way that makes sense now and in the future. Although Bordentown is small, it is a great example of the careful preservation and redevelopment planning that many existing towns are going to need as we experience the impact of gas prices above $3.50 a gallon. 

Will Bordentown continue to use a 1983 Ordinance pushing to reshape the town in suburbia&#039;s image or use a new Ordinance that protects existing character and controls development? That&#039;ll be determined by what happens next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bordentown Land Use Planning Ordinance is indeed 343 pages. It consolidates 4 ordinances into one, including detailed environmental protection measures, a separate committee to review and protect historic buildings, and up to date, comprehensive, land use and property maintenance requirements. </p>
<p>Bordentown is NOT some corn field where one zone fits all. AND, it's never going to be New York City. It is a vibrant diverse place where the new Ordinance acknowledges that the small existing Marina and the existing railroad tracks are NOT suitable for residential development. (as currently zoned)</p>
<p>The existing ordinance is not working. Short, overly broad provisions may make light reading but they make it hard to enforce. The part-time zoning and building official needs a new set of clear, detailed, enforceable provisions. </p>
<p>Things change. Property owners sell out for their own reasons. Some absentee landlords will continue failing to maintain their properties. Freezing the existing Ordinance where it is now will not provide the protections that either side wants.</p>
<p>The new Ordinance takes on the extremely complex task of preserving and maintaining parts of a truly great place while controlling redevelopment in a way that makes sense now and in the future. Although Bordentown is small, it is a great example of the careful preservation and redevelopment planning that many existing towns are going to need as we experience the impact of gas prices above $3.50 a gallon. </p>
<p>Will Bordentown continue to use a 1983 Ordinance pushing to reshape the town in suburbia's image or use a new Ordinance that protects existing character and controls development? That'll be determined by what happens next.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom's Wife</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom's Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 22:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, live in the heart of Bordentown City.  I am 1/2 of a block from the train station.  I am one of the many who is in oppositon to the land use document that was sent back for revisions by the City Commissioners. 

The majority of the residents of Bordentown live here because it has already achieved many of the objectives of the &quot;Smart Growth&quot; and &quot;Transit Village&quot; backers. To think that we are, somehow, short sighted because we do not want to increase our population density by allowing &quot;accessory apartments&quot; added to most homes and seeing downtown buildings add additional stories and apartmments just to increase our population density shows how little the framers of the document really know about Bordentown City.  

Our percentage of rentals in town is 47%.  Affordable housing goals are met in Bordentown City till 1014!  Anyone can afford to rent or buy houses here.  I know because I have done both.  We actudally have small houses under $150,00 and mansions over $700,000.  The parking lot for the Light Rail is full daily.

Someone commented that the residents don&#039;t patronize local businesses.  I beg to differ.  I have been walking to my doctor, dentist, liquor/drug store, restaurants, pubs, galleries (yes, I do buy art) and stores for 28 years.  

Bordentown City doesn&#039;t need to become something it already is- a densly packed, small town with a diverse population that walks, takes busses and trains and uses their cars.  We do need, however, to protect what we have from &quot;idealists&quot; and &quot;planners&quot; who think we are opportunities to show how their ideas for our future should be advanced.

I am so proud of the citizens of Bordentown City.  They came out in record numbers to oppose the vision of the planners of the new land use document.  They saw, as the planners did not, that our town needs protecting.  We do not need to be guided into the 21st Century.  We have been preparing for it for 326 years.  

We already are what so many towns want to be.  We are a visual delight, an architect&#039;s dream, and a walker&#039;s paradise.  We are friendly, homey and embrace our differences.  We take mass transit and value the environment.  We look after each other and wave to friends on the street.  We are affordable for everyone.  

Take the time to come to Bordentown City.  Read the land use document.  Discuss the issues with the residents.  The Planning Board and Comissioners&#039; Meetings will be the time for everyone to express their opinions.  Let&#039;s have open discussion of ideas and create a Bordentown that protects and cherishes what makes us different from everyone else this time around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, live in the heart of Bordentown City.  I am 1/2 of a block from the train station.  I am one of the many who is in oppositon to the land use document that was sent back for revisions by the City Commissioners. </p>
<p>The majority of the residents of Bordentown live here because it has already achieved many of the objectives of the "Smart Growth" and "Transit Village" backers. To think that we are, somehow, short sighted because we do not want to increase our population density by allowing "accessory apartments" added to most homes and seeing downtown buildings add additional stories and apartmments just to increase our population density shows how little the framers of the document really know about Bordentown City.  </p>
<p>Our percentage of rentals in town is 47%.  Affordable housing goals are met in Bordentown City till 1014!  Anyone can afford to rent or buy houses here.  I know because I have done both.  We actudally have small houses under $150,00 and mansions over $700,000.  The parking lot for the Light Rail is full daily.</p>
<p>Someone commented that the residents don't patronize local businesses.  I beg to differ.  I have been walking to my doctor, dentist, liquor/drug store, restaurants, pubs, galleries (yes, I do buy art) and stores for 28 years.  </p>
<p>Bordentown City doesn't need to become something it already is- a densly packed, small town with a diverse population that walks, takes busses and trains and uses their cars.  We do need, however, to protect what we have from "idealists" and "planners" who think we are opportunities to show how their ideas for our future should be advanced.</p>
<p>I am so proud of the citizens of Bordentown City.  They came out in record numbers to oppose the vision of the planners of the new land use document.  They saw, as the planners did not, that our town needs protecting.  We do not need to be guided into the 21st Century.  We have been preparing for it for 326 years.  </p>
<p>We already are what so many towns want to be.  We are a visual delight, an architect's dream, and a walker's paradise.  We are friendly, homey and embrace our differences.  We take mass transit and value the environment.  We look after each other and wave to friends on the street.  We are affordable for everyone.  </p>
<p>Take the time to come to Bordentown City.  Read the land use document.  Discuss the issues with the residents.  The Planning Board and Comissioners' Meetings will be the time for everyone to express their opinions.  Let's have open discussion of ideas and create a Bordentown that protects and cherishes what makes us different from everyone else this time around.</p>
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		<title>By: John Zeger</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Zeger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The residents of Bordentown are well within their rights to fight the implementation of so-called &quot;smart growth&quot; within their community as this attempt at densification is just a thinly veiled attempt to line the pockets of developers by increasing land values while it destroys the community character for everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The residents of Bordentown are well within their rights to fight the implementation of so-called "smart growth" within their community as this attempt at densification is just a thinly veiled attempt to line the pockets of developers by increasing land values while it destroys the community character for everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 05:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read with some amusement all of the comments regarding those boobs in Bordentown who are eschewing &quot;smart growth&quot; in favor of suburban sprawl. I have a few questions for  all of you oh-so-smart commentators: Have you ever even been to Bordentown? How much of the 343 page ordinance have you read before opining so eloquently about what should be done in this town? Are you even vaguely aware that Bordentown has in actuality been a &quot;transit village&quot; for over 325 years, with its growth and development being centered around a river, a railroad, a canal and now a light rail system? Are you aware --- or do you even care --- that Bordentown is already densely populated, with most people living within at most a few feet of their neighbors? One of the truly brilliant proposals in the ordinance was to allow people to construct &quot;accessory apartments&quot; in their backyards (up to 1000 square feet); I guess they felt that we weren&#039;t truly utilizing every square inch of buildable space. The goal seemed to be to sqeeze up to 1000 or more people into this one square mile town of 4000.

You claim that rejecting the ordinance will encourage suburban sprawl, but the reality is that there is absolutely nowhere to &quot;sprawl&quot; to in this town, since it is already almost entirely built out. If you want to attack sprawl, perhaps you should go visit some of the surrounding municipalities which have the land to build on. That is where the real battleground should be. 

If you bothered to come to Bordentown you would find not a &quot;quaint village&quot;, but a living, breathing, dynamic town that has survived for 325 yers and is filled with people who truly love what it has evolved into. It offers the most diverse housing stock of any small town of which I am aware, ranging from affordable one bedroom apartments to large 18th and 19th century single family homes. Try going to one of those towns that were cited in the comments -- like Pennington, Crosswicks or Yardley --- and try to find a house there for under $300 or $400K. Good luck. (By the way, you should perhaps be aware that the populations density in 
Bordentown is many times greater than in any of those towns. And if you want to see suburban sprawl, try getting out of Yardly at rush hour). In contrast, in Bordentown you can buy a house starting in the $150 -200K range. And as far as appreciation goes, thank you, but we have done very well in the last ten years, with most houses easily doubling --if not tripling -- in value.

Finally, all the literature pertaining to transit villages and smart growth stresses one major point: that if you are going to try to implement such a program of development, make sure that the public is kept informed and has meaningul input into the process. In   contrast, the zoning ordinance was passed in a process that would have made the Bush administration truly envious --- some have called it the most secretive process since Dick Cheney&#039;s &quot;Energy Commission&quot;. Whether by accident or design, the public was kept out of the process and lulled into a state of complacency. How would any of you like to live in a town where such major changes were being proposed, only to have the consultant on the ordinance indicate at a public hearing that the new ordinance made &quot;no changes&quot; to the residential zones --- and then proceed to ignore completely anything that would be even remotely controversial. The other sad reality is that at least four of the nine planning board members who voted to adopt the ordinance have admitted that they NEVER EVEN READ IT before voting to adopt it. The residents in this town deserve better treatment than that.

Someday we may find out what was behind this proposal. The mayor was cited in a newpaper article as saying that the current zoning ordinance was too &quot;restrictive&quot;, and that the new one would make it easier for developers to make a profit. Wonderful. So I guess that we should adopt a 343 page zoning ordiance to make it easier for developers to come into town and make more money. That is, If they aren&#039;t here already, waiting.

So you can continue with your snarky comments about those reactionary torch-wielding villagers who caused the ordinance to be defeated. But please, don&#039;t flatter yourselves in thinking that by reading a few cursory articles in the local press (filled with inaccuracies) that you have come to an understanding of what is happening here. 

I leave you with this - while you may continue to view the residents of this town as being hopelessly uneducated and backwards in the apreciation of new zoning concepts --- when was the last time that you found a place where the people love their town so much that dozens of them spent weeks reading, studying and discussing something as complex and technical as a 343 page zoning ordinance. And they did this on their own, without any guidance or help from the Planning Board. The critisms were not knee-jerk, uninformed reactions based on misinfomation. It just might have been Bordentown&#039;s finest moment, and made me proud to be a resident here.

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read with some amusement all of the comments regarding those boobs in Bordentown who are eschewing "smart growth" in favor of suburban sprawl. I have a few questions for  all of you oh-so-smart commentators: Have you ever even been to Bordentown? How much of the 343 page ordinance have you read before opining so eloquently about what should be done in this town? Are you even vaguely aware that Bordentown has in actuality been a "transit village" for over 325 years, with its growth and development being centered around a river, a railroad, a canal and now a light rail system? Are you aware --- or do you even care --- that Bordentown is already densely populated, with most people living within at most a few feet of their neighbors? One of the truly brilliant proposals in the ordinance was to allow people to construct "accessory apartments" in their backyards (up to 1000 square feet); I guess they felt that we weren't truly utilizing every square inch of buildable space. The goal seemed to be to sqeeze up to 1000 or more people into this one square mile town of 4000.</p>
<p>You claim that rejecting the ordinance will encourage suburban sprawl, but the reality is that there is absolutely nowhere to "sprawl" to in this town, since it is already almost entirely built out. If you want to attack sprawl, perhaps you should go visit some of the surrounding municipalities which have the land to build on. That is where the real battleground should be. </p>
<p>If you bothered to come to Bordentown you would find not a "quaint village", but a living, breathing, dynamic town that has survived for 325 yers and is filled with people who truly love what it has evolved into. It offers the most diverse housing stock of any small town of which I am aware, ranging from affordable one bedroom apartments to large 18th and 19th century single family homes. Try going to one of those towns that were cited in the comments -- like Pennington, Crosswicks or Yardley --- and try to find a house there for under $300 or $400K. Good luck. (By the way, you should perhaps be aware that the populations density in<br />
Bordentown is many times greater than in any of those towns. And if you want to see suburban sprawl, try getting out of Yardly at rush hour). In contrast, in Bordentown you can buy a house starting in the $150 -200K range. And as far as appreciation goes, thank you, but we have done very well in the last ten years, with most houses easily doubling --if not tripling -- in value.</p>
<p>Finally, all the literature pertaining to transit villages and smart growth stresses one major point: that if you are going to try to implement such a program of development, make sure that the public is kept informed and has meaningul input into the process. In   contrast, the zoning ordinance was passed in a process that would have made the Bush administration truly envious --- some have called it the most secretive process since Dick Cheney's "Energy Commission". Whether by accident or design, the public was kept out of the process and lulled into a state of complacency. How would any of you like to live in a town where such major changes were being proposed, only to have the consultant on the ordinance indicate at a public hearing that the new ordinance made "no changes" to the residential zones --- and then proceed to ignore completely anything that would be even remotely controversial. The other sad reality is that at least four of the nine planning board members who voted to adopt the ordinance have admitted that they NEVER EVEN READ IT before voting to adopt it. The residents in this town deserve better treatment than that.</p>
<p>Someday we may find out what was behind this proposal. The mayor was cited in a newpaper article as saying that the current zoning ordinance was too "restrictive", and that the new one would make it easier for developers to make a profit. Wonderful. So I guess that we should adopt a 343 page zoning ordiance to make it easier for developers to come into town and make more money. That is, If they aren't here already, waiting.</p>
<p>So you can continue with your snarky comments about those reactionary torch-wielding villagers who caused the ordinance to be defeated. But please, don't flatter yourselves in thinking that by reading a few cursory articles in the local press (filled with inaccuracies) that you have come to an understanding of what is happening here. </p>
<p>I leave you with this - while you may continue to view the residents of this town as being hopelessly uneducated and backwards in the apreciation of new zoning concepts --- when was the last time that you found a place where the people love their town so much that dozens of them spent weeks reading, studying and discussing something as complex and technical as a 343 page zoning ordinance. And they did this on their own, without any guidance or help from the Planning Board. The critisms were not knee-jerk, uninformed reactions based on misinfomation. It just might have been Bordentown's finest moment, and made me proud to be a resident here.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 06:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Philly but I&#039;ve taken the RiverLINE to Bordentown a few times. The station is on the edge of town about a 10 minute walk to the center. That&#039;s where pedestrian numbers really start to drop off.  It seems to me that the only problem here is that developers would need variances to build new mixed use buildings. In such an historic town I think an extra layer of review is prudent. I&#039;ve strolled Farnsworth Ave. before and there aren&#039;t few empty lots that are buildable that wouldn&#039;t require the demolition of adjacent structures or building on a parking lot. The latter being a lofty goal but one that&#039;s not yet feasible in a town built before the car with limited parking on and off street. 

If one really wanted to push new development the closer to the station the better but for the most part the town is fully built out. The only available land is the park &amp; ride lot and even that is pretty small when compared to some others along the light rail route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Philly but I've taken the RiverLINE to Bordentown a few times. The station is on the edge of town about a 10 minute walk to the center. That's where pedestrian numbers really start to drop off.  It seems to me that the only problem here is that developers would need variances to build new mixed use buildings. In such an historic town I think an extra layer of review is prudent. I've strolled Farnsworth Ave. before and there aren't few empty lots that are buildable that wouldn't require the demolition of adjacent structures or building on a parking lot. The latter being a lofty goal but one that's not yet feasible in a town built before the car with limited parking on and off street. </p>
<p>If one really wanted to push new development the closer to the station the better but for the most part the town is fully built out. The only available land is the park &amp; ride lot and even that is pretty small when compared to some others along the light rail route.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also missing in the article was the fact that &quot;downtown&quot; is one street of about ten blocks with two apartment buildings and additional apartments two and three stories above most of the shops. Even though most of the streest and two way streets, I can think of only four of them that are wide enough to allow traffic in both directions at the same time. You have to pull over and let the person in the opposite direction through.
  When Joseph Borden, my 7th great grandfather, came to town, he had a vision. He plotted out the older part of town which is in the National Historic Register. It attracted people like Thomas Paine, Edward Shippen, Francis Hopkinson and members of the Thomas McKean family. By the time of the American Revolution, many affluent people had come to town to escape urban sprawl. Philadelphia, even at that time, was considered over populated and people came here for the small town charm.
  I&#039;ve lived here all my life. This is where I do my Christmas shopping. My doctor&#039;s office is here. I eat in the restaurants. Any time I walk down the street, I see someone I know and I greet the one&#039;s I don&#039;t know. Bordentown has always been the town that people want to come to--not move away from. Let&#039;s keep it that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also missing in the article was the fact that "downtown" is one street of about ten blocks with two apartment buildings and additional apartments two and three stories above most of the shops. Even though most of the streest and two way streets, I can think of only four of them that are wide enough to allow traffic in both directions at the same time. You have to pull over and let the person in the opposite direction through.<br />
  When Joseph Borden, my 7th great grandfather, came to town, he had a vision. He plotted out the older part of town which is in the National Historic Register. It attracted people like Thomas Paine, Edward Shippen, Francis Hopkinson and members of the Thomas McKean family. By the time of the American Revolution, many affluent people had come to town to escape urban sprawl. Philadelphia, even at that time, was considered over populated and people came here for the small town charm.<br />
  I've lived here all my life. This is where I do my Christmas shopping. My doctor's office is here. I eat in the restaurants. Any time I walk down the street, I see someone I know and I greet the one's I don't know. Bordentown has always been the town that people want to come to--not move away from. Let's keep it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 17:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when I moved to Bordentown City a little over 4 years ago, I loved the charm it offered. What&#039;s missing in the article, the city is now 326 years old and there&#039;s pride for keeping it the way it is. Right now there are some vacancies in apartments and several homes up for sale. Until they are taken care of, I would not support the need for additional facilities for the sake of making money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when I moved to Bordentown City a little over 4 years ago, I loved the charm it offered. What's missing in the article, the city is now 326 years old and there's pride for keeping it the way it is. Right now there are some vacancies in apartments and several homes up for sale. Until they are taken care of, I would not support the need for additional facilities for the sake of making money.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 14:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Bordentown. We are a small town. Less than 1 square mile. There is only 6% of that area that can have new construction. Therefore any major construction would have to include razing and demolitioning existing buildings which are mostly 100 years or older. The townsfolk didn&#039;t have any input to the document. That has changed. The document was not shelved, it was sent back to the Zoning Board for a reexamination. Both sides will work to pass a document that any sane, rational, fair, and logical person would be happy with. The document is 343 pages long. With only a few lines that are contentious.

Not everyone in NJ can take Mass Transit. That is the reality. To think that people will take a ride with 3 or 4 transfers and increase there commute time by an hour is absurd. Build the transit systems before you expect to shape the communities around them.

It takes 20 minute to walk from one side of town to the other so any arguments about increasing vehicle traffic is absurd. The folks that live in town don&#039;t use the existing business, doctors, pharmacies, auto repair, etc. So building new ones will bring in MVT. We need to work on getting towns folk to use the businesses we have now. Then if demand increases naturally supply will follow.

BTW, the NY Times did a story on how towns and developers are using Bordentown as an example for new town center construction and development. So it seems at least to the article we have something right.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/24/realestate/24livi.html?fta=y</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Bordentown. We are a small town. Less than 1 square mile. There is only 6% of that area that can have new construction. Therefore any major construction would have to include razing and demolitioning existing buildings which are mostly 100 years or older. The townsfolk didn't have any input to the document. That has changed. The document was not shelved, it was sent back to the Zoning Board for a reexamination. Both sides will work to pass a document that any sane, rational, fair, and logical person would be happy with. The document is 343 pages long. With only a few lines that are contentious.</p>
<p>Not everyone in NJ can take Mass Transit. That is the reality. To think that people will take a ride with 3 or 4 transfers and increase there commute time by an hour is absurd. Build the transit systems before you expect to shape the communities around them.</p>
<p>It takes 20 minute to walk from one side of town to the other so any arguments about increasing vehicle traffic is absurd. The folks that live in town don't use the existing business, doctors, pharmacies, auto repair, etc. So building new ones will bring in MVT. We need to work on getting towns folk to use the businesses we have now. Then if demand increases naturally supply will follow.</p>
<p>BTW, the NY Times did a story on how towns and developers are using Bordentown as an example for new town center construction and development. So it seems at least to the article we have something right.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/24/realestate/24livi.html?fta=y" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/24/realestate/24livi.html?fta=y</a></p>
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		<title>By: Niccolo Machiavelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niccolo Machiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess in Brooklyn and Queens we have enough density.  The Community Boards and the political class are rushing to save us from density by down-zoning our neighborhoods.  The phrase &quot;under-served by mass transit&quot; should be adjusted for population density.  Adjusted for population density many neighborhoods who think themselves under-served by mass transit are actually over-served more so when the end of the two fare zones, express bus and commuter rail service are factored in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess in Brooklyn and Queens we have enough density.  The Community Boards and the political class are rushing to save us from density by down-zoning our neighborhoods.  The phrase "under-served by mass transit" should be adjusted for population density.  Adjusted for population density many neighborhoods who think themselves under-served by mass transit are actually over-served more so when the end of the two fare zones, express bus and commuter rail service are factored in.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 00:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s how they sold multi-family in the suburbs of Boston. Combine business, which generates lots of taxes with few demands for public services, with affordable housing, which is the reverse.

They&#039;ve had a multi-family boom up there after years of NIMBYISM.  They also have a state law forcing affordable housing on municipalities but picking up some of the school costs.

And, their housing bust is happening faster than our housing busts -- affordability will soon be a competitive advantage for them vs. us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's how they sold multi-family in the suburbs of Boston. Combine business, which generates lots of taxes with few demands for public services, with affordable housing, which is the reverse.</p>
<p>They've had a multi-family boom up there after years of NIMBYISM.  They also have a state law forcing affordable housing on municipalities but picking up some of the school costs.</p>
<p>And, their housing bust is happening faster than our housing busts -- affordability will soon be a competitive advantage for them vs. us.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 23:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, Tarrytown is looking at the prospect of tearing up their parking lots and putting in paradise - or at least, affordable housing:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/realestate/11wczo.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, Tarrytown is looking at the prospect of tearing up their parking lots and putting in paradise - or at least, affordable housing:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/realestate/11wczo.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/realestate/11wczo.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 21:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t  make light of this issue, because it is a serious one.  Some of the nicest places in the metro area are the old railroad suburbs.  

Because these towns grew up around the station, all the nice old historic buildings are near it.  All the later crap people would be willing to see replaced with higher density is some distance away.

Any development sites near the station?  Well, there is the station parking lot, where the people who live in the 1950 to 1980 developments park to ride the train.

It&#039;s a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn't  make light of this issue, because it is a serious one.  Some of the nicest places in the metro area are the old railroad suburbs.  </p>
<p>Because these towns grew up around the station, all the nice old historic buildings are near it.  All the later crap people would be willing to see replaced with higher density is some distance away.</p>
<p>Any development sites near the station?  Well, there is the station parking lot, where the people who live in the 1950 to 1980 developments park to ride the train.</p>
<p>It's a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 21:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When people &quot;think Manhattan&quot; in a pejorative sense, I suspect they&#039;re thinking &quot;congestion, noise, pollution&quot; rather than &quot;walkable streets, cultural richness, restaurants galore.&quot; Congestion pricing would have begun the process of banishing this negative stereotype.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When people "think Manhattan" in a pejorative sense, I suspect they're thinking "congestion, noise, pollution" rather than "walkable streets, cultural richness, restaurants galore." Congestion pricing would have begun the process of banishing this negative stereotype.</p>
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		<title>By: shishi</title>
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		<dc:creator>shishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Density is such a bad word, but the numbers don&#039;t mean Manhattan.

Portland, OR- 4,199.17 people per square mile
St. Paul, MN- 5,438/sq mi
Columbus, OH- 3,383.6/sq mi
Omaha, NE- 3,370.7/sq mi

Compared to:

New York, NY- 27,083/sq mi
Los Angeles, CA- 8,205/sq mi
Chicago, IL- 12,470/sq mi
Boston, MA-12,327/sq mi
Philadelphia, PA- 10,882.8/sq mi

Compared to:

Schaumburg, IL- 3,967.1/sq mi
Levittown, NY- 7,717.5/sq mi (first suburb in America)
Walnut Creek, CA- 3,305.7/sq mi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Density is such a bad word, but the numbers don't mean Manhattan.</p>
<p>Portland, OR- 4,199.17 people per square mile<br />
St. Paul, MN- 5,438/sq mi<br />
Columbus, OH- 3,383.6/sq mi<br />
Omaha, NE- 3,370.7/sq mi</p>
<p>Compared to:</p>
<p>New York, NY- 27,083/sq mi<br />
Los Angeles, CA- 8,205/sq mi<br />
Chicago, IL- 12,470/sq mi<br />
Boston, MA-12,327/sq mi<br />
Philadelphia, PA- 10,882.8/sq mi</p>
<p>Compared to:</p>
<p>Schaumburg, IL- 3,967.1/sq mi<br />
Levittown, NY- 7,717.5/sq mi (first suburb in America)<br />
Walnut Creek, CA- 3,305.7/sq mi</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just ban single use zoning across the board. No residential only zoning restrictions would mean the end of the residential only zoning suburbs. I&#039;m not saying that anyone can build anything they want wherever they want, I&#039;m just saying that you can&#039;t exclude all other uses than purely residential. 

There are strong legal arguments to be made against zoning and in a falling real estate market, you might see some resistance to a homeowner being prevented from converting their home into a restaurant, hotel, pub, or other commercial use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just ban single use zoning across the board. No residential only zoning restrictions would mean the end of the residential only zoning suburbs. I'm not saying that anyone can build anything they want wherever they want, I'm just saying that you can't exclude all other uses than purely residential. </p>
<p>There are strong legal arguments to be made against zoning and in a falling real estate market, you might see some resistance to a homeowner being prevented from converting their home into a restaurant, hotel, pub, or other commercial use.</p>
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		<title>By: The Overhead Wire</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Overhead Wire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We also need to get rid of the Manhattan Mindset.  Not that its a bad place, but like you all said, folks hear density and they think Manhattan.  Fortworthology covers this some.

http://fortworthology.com/2008/04/21/urban-fort-worth-new-york-is-not-the-model/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also need to get rid of the Manhattan Mindset.  Not that its a bad place, but like you all said, folks hear density and they think Manhattan.  Fortworthology covers this some.</p>
<p><a href="http://fortworthology.com/2008/04/21/urban-fort-worth-new-york-is-not-the-model/" rel="nofollow">http://fortworthology.com/2008/04/21/urban-fort-worth-new-york-is-not-the-model/</a></p>
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