Comments on: New London Mayor Talks Up Buses and Bikes (Updated) http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/05/london-mayor-elect-talks-up-buses-and-bikes/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:49:33 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: ManhattanDowntowner http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/05/london-mayor-elect-talks-up-buses-and-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-54499 ManhattanDowntowner Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:51:17 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/05/london-mayor-elect-talks-up-buses-and-bikes/#comment-54499 "More to the contrary .... Regarding your referenced facts and details, there is not much to find in your post there.... ?!" [To Steiner: I cannot believe that you have actually read these facts and details, otherwise you would not be able to make a statement that "there is not much to find" - the London Chamber of Commerce numbers speak for themselves!] "More to the contrary ....

Regarding your referenced facts and details, there is not much to find in your post there.... ?!"

[To Steiner: I cannot believe that you have actually read these facts and details, otherwise you would not be able to make a statement that "there is not much to find" - the London Chamber of Commerce numbers speak for themselves!]

]]> By: ManhattanDowntowner http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/05/london-mayor-elect-talks-up-buses-and-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-54497 ManhattanDowntowner Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:42:17 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/05/london-mayor-elect-talks-up-buses-and-bikes/#comment-54497 In response and at the risk of double posting and getting deleted - this is a cut and paste of my of other post. Yes, I definitely think congestion taxing is an anathema to small businesses -it's occuring in London as we speak. "I think small businesses (the heart and soul of any city) are fed up with congestion taxing. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2004/04/22/cncong22.xml Business down as a result of Congestion pricing in London http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-5007517-details/Congestion+charge+hammers+shops/article.do Congestion charge hammers shops By Richard Allen, Evening Standard Last updated at 18:51pm on 27.05.03 As recent as September 2007 http://manchester-blog.com/the-congestion-charge-business-effect/ LONDON Chamber of Commerce 79% of central London’s retailers experienced a drop in takings 56% a reduction in customers 42% thought congestion charging should take all, or most of the blame 74.5% of restaurants responding reported a fall in takings Same restaurants noted a 78.3% fall in customer numbers since the change was introduced 54% of those restaurants attributed both drops to the congestion charge As recent as March 2008 http://www.lbhf.gov.uk/Directory/News_and_Media/Press_office/Press_releases/98386_Local_business_crippled_by_congestion_charge.asp Local business crippled by congestion charge by Hammersmith and Fulham Press Office 30/05/20" In response and at the risk of double posting and getting deleted - this is a cut and paste of my of other post. Yes, I definitely think congestion taxing is an anathema to small businesses -it's occuring in London as we speak.

"I think small businesses (the heart and soul of any city) are fed up with congestion taxing.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2004/04/22/cncong22.xml
Business down as a result of Congestion pricing in London
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-5007517-details/Congestion+charge+hammers+shops/article.do
Congestion charge hammers shops
By Richard Allen, Evening Standard Last updated at 18:51pm on 27.05.03

As recent as September 2007
http://manchester-blog.com/the-congestion-charge-business-effect/
LONDON Chamber of Commerce
79% of central London’s retailers experienced a drop in takings
56% a reduction in customers
42% thought congestion charging should take all, or most of the blame
74.5% of restaurants responding reported a fall in takings
Same restaurants noted a 78.3% fall in customer numbers since the change was introduced
54% of those restaurants attributed both drops to the congestion charge

As recent as March 2008
http://www.lbhf.gov.uk/Directory/News_and_Media/Press_office/Press_releases/98386_Local_business_crippled_by_congestion_charge.asp
Local business crippled by congestion charge by Hammersmith and Fulham Press Office
30/05/20"

]]> By: Michael Steiner http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/05/london-mayor-elect-talks-up-buses-and-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-54321 Michael Steiner Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:51:53 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/05/london-mayor-elect-talks-up-buses-and-bikes/#comment-54321 ManhattanDowntowner, Did you ever visit any pedestrian areas's in europe and check around what stores are there and compared it to the car-reachable/mall-ish shopping ares in these places? Saying that reduced/no car traffic -- which is certainly one of the goals of CP -- is ``anethema to small and independent businesses'' flies in the face of anything which has happened there. More to the contrary .... Regarding your referenced facts and details, there is not much to find in your post there.... ?! ManhattanDowntowner,

Did you ever visit any pedestrian areas's in europe and check around what stores are there and compared it to the car-reachable/mall-ish shopping ares in these places? Saying that reduced/no car traffic -- which is certainly one of the goals of CP -- is ``anethema to small and independent businesses'' flies in the face of anything which has happened there. More to the contrary ....

Regarding your referenced facts and details, there is not much to find in your post there.... ?!

]]> By: ManhattanDowntowner http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/05/london-mayor-elect-talks-up-buses-and-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-54311 ManhattanDowntowner Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:48:46 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/05/london-mayor-elect-talks-up-buses-and-bikes/#comment-54311 To above: In London, per the London Chamber of Commerce and many other sources cited in my post below - congestion taxing is an anethema to small and independent businesses, with many of them looking to move elsewhere. Do you want to expand congestion charging and kill off ALL small businesses? The exact same thing would occur in NYC if congestion taxing were to be enacted here - loss of the heart and soul of New York. Don't we have enough banks, Starbucks and franchises yet? Read the facts and details on my post here: http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/09/new-mayor-could-weaken-london-congestion-charge/ To above: In London, per the London Chamber of Commerce and many other sources cited in my post below - congestion taxing is an anethema to small and independent businesses, with many of them looking to move elsewhere. Do you want to expand congestion charging and kill off ALL small businesses?

The exact same thing would occur in NYC if congestion taxing were to be enacted here - loss of the heart and soul of New York. Don't we have enough banks, Starbucks and franchises yet?

Read the facts and details on my post here:
http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/07/09/new-mayor-could-weaken-london-congestion-charge/

]]> By: Niccolo Machiavelli http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/05/london-mayor-elect-talks-up-buses-and-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-49636 Niccolo Machiavelli Mon, 05 May 2008 17:21:48 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/05/london-mayor-elect-talks-up-buses-and-bikes/#comment-49636 Hopefully they will retain, improve and expand the policy. However, what I find more interesting is how as a campaign issue, in class conscious Britain, this turned the class bias arguments used by the anti-CP forces in NYC on its ear. The conservative Tories argued against congestion pricing while "Red Ken" Livingston and Labor held out for it. Is the US a bizarro universe of transportation and urban policy? Hopefully they will retain, improve and expand the policy. However, what I find more interesting is how as a campaign issue, in class conscious Britain, this turned the class bias arguments used by the anti-CP forces in NYC on its ear. The conservative Tories argued against congestion pricing while "Red Ken" Livingston and Labor held out for it. Is the US a bizarro universe of transportation and urban policy?

]]> By: ddartley http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/05/london-mayor-elect-talks-up-buses-and-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-49618 ddartley Mon, 05 May 2008 14:13:31 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/05/london-mayor-elect-talks-up-buses-and-bikes/#comment-49618 And he's from the Conservative Party. Man have we got a ways to go. And he's from the Conservative Party. Man have we got a ways to go.

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