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	<title>Comments on: Jersey High School Students Protest Anti-Bike Policy</title>
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		<title>By: Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/02/jersey-high-school-students-protest-anti-bike-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-62480</link>
		<dc:creator>Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say park all of your bikes where he parks his polluting car/truck. Chain it to the fence over there in the back lot...that&#039;s where he and the other admins park.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say park all of your bikes where he parks his polluting car/truck. Chain it to the fence over there in the back lot...that's where he and the other admins park.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hembrow</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/02/jersey-high-school-students-protest-anti-bike-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-55803</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hembrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 07:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is quite astonishing. Schools over here simply don&#039;t provide for students to drive to school. In fact, our local secondary school looks like this:

   http://www.camcycle.org.uk/map/location/13713/

All the children. 100 every day in the summer, dropping to 95% in the winter when some will take a bus instead.

Secondary school children routinely cycle a 40 km ( 25 mile ) round trip each day to get to school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quite astonishing. Schools over here simply don't provide for students to drive to school. In fact, our local secondary school looks like this:</p>
<p>   <a href="http://www.camcycle.org.uk/map/location/13713/" rel="nofollow">http://www.camcycle.org.uk/map/location/13713/</a></p>
<p>All the children. 100 every day in the summer, dropping to 95% in the winter when some will take a bus instead.</p>
<p>Secondary school children routinely cycle a 40 km ( 25 mile ) round trip each day to get to school.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Student</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/02/jersey-high-school-students-protest-anti-bike-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-55431</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be a dead subject, but the high school I attended apparentley purchased roughly 3 full city blocks (with inhabited houses) to use as a massive parking lot for staff and juniors/seniors who drive.  And here I am, trying to convince my 9 year old daughter to bike 1 mile to school.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be a dead subject, but the high school I attended apparentley purchased roughly 3 full city blocks (with inhabited houses) to use as a massive parking lot for staff and juniors/seniors who drive.  And here I am, trying to convince my 9 year old daughter to bike 1 mile to school.....</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Michaels</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/02/jersey-high-school-students-protest-anti-bike-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-53022</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Michaels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a sec... I went to this school back when it was West.  I distinctly remember it having at least one bike rack, I believe near the cafeteria.  Did they get rid of them when they remodeled?  OMGWTF.

Before I went to West, I went to Eisenhower (6-8), and then Van Holten before that (K-5).  I rode my bike to both schools.  Not regularly, but on occasion.  Yes, even when I was in 5th grade, I rode a bike to school.  Without a helmet.  And here I am typing a message about it.

I think this guy is just overly concerned about legal ramifications if a student gets smacked on Garretson, or within 100 yards of the school grounds.  In today&#039;s ridiculously litigious society, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if the school could be successfully sued for hosting a donated bike rack.  So maybe he has ground to stand on, but what I don&#039;t understand is that it&#039;s okay to tether the bike to the chain link fence around the swamp, but it&#039;s not okay to tether the bike to a donated bike rack?  WTF is the difference?

I miss the old days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a sec... I went to this school back when it was West.  I distinctly remember it having at least one bike rack, I believe near the cafeteria.  Did they get rid of them when they remodeled?  OMGWTF.</p>
<p>Before I went to West, I went to Eisenhower (6-8), and then Van Holten before that (K-5).  I rode my bike to both schools.  Not regularly, but on occasion.  Yes, even when I was in 5th grade, I rode a bike to school.  Without a helmet.  And here I am typing a message about it.</p>
<p>I think this guy is just overly concerned about legal ramifications if a student gets smacked on Garretson, or within 100 yards of the school grounds.  In today's ridiculously litigious society, I wouldn't be surprised if the school could be successfully sued for hosting a donated bike rack.  So maybe he has ground to stand on, but what I don't understand is that it's okay to tether the bike to the chain link fence around the swamp, but it's not okay to tether the bike to a donated bike rack?  WTF is the difference?</p>
<p>I miss the old days.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia (Harris) Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/02/jersey-high-school-students-protest-anti-bike-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-51456</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia (Harris) Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pleased to see students work as a team to create a reasonable alternative to getting to school.  What happens if someone doesn&#039;t have the money for a car?  Just think of the exercise these kids are getting...probably a lot more than most in today&#039;s over weight society.  Wonder if the PTA could step in and endorse student efforts?  In this day and age, transportation alternatives need consideration.  Go for it guys/gals...one of your &quot;old&quot; alums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pleased to see students work as a team to create a reasonable alternative to getting to school.  What happens if someone doesn't have the money for a car?  Just think of the exercise these kids are getting...probably a lot more than most in today's over weight society.  Wonder if the PTA could step in and endorse student efforts?  In this day and age, transportation alternatives need consideration.  Go for it guys/gals...one of your "old" alums.</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
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		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicyclesonly/2531210348/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; an example of how elementary school motor vehicle drop-offs are mismanaged by city parents.  Parents often drop their kids off in the middle of this road, although usually they will pull up to the curb or at least to the side of the road when there is space to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicyclesonly/2531210348/" rel="nofollow">Here's</a> an example of how elementary school motor vehicle drop-offs are mismanaged by city parents.  Parents often drop their kids off in the middle of this road, although usually they will pull up to the curb or at least to the side of the road when there is space to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/02/jersey-high-school-students-protest-anti-bike-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-49908</link>
		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 20:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I like your $4M statistic on lifetime costs of car ownership.  Do you have a link to a cite or a source?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I like your $4M statistic on lifetime costs of car ownership.  Do you have a link to a cite or a source?</p>
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		<title>By: David Levinger</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/02/jersey-high-school-students-protest-anti-bike-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-49856</link>
		<dc:creator>David Levinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 06:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Urbanis says:
&#124; ...it makes me wonder if he is receiving 
&#124; some kind of kickback from automakers...

People fight passionately to justify their irrational expenditures.  The principal is just like the average American, and will have spend $4 Million of lifetime savings potential through his $8,000/year cost of car ownership.  There is no need for automakers to give kickbacks to people who are spending that kind of money without questioning it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urbanis says:<br />
| ...it makes me wonder if he is receiving<br />
| some kind of kickback from automakers...</p>
<p>People fight passionately to justify their irrational expenditures.  The principal is just like the average American, and will have spend $4 Million of lifetime savings potential through his $8,000/year cost of car ownership.  There is no need for automakers to give kickbacks to people who are spending that kind of money without questioning it.</p>
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		<title>By: dan baker</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/02/jersey-high-school-students-protest-anti-bike-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-49808</link>
		<dc:creator>dan baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the Principal&#039;s reaction with surprise and dismay. I hope the students are not discouraged.

Instead, I hope that the Principal turns this into a Covics lesson for students, teaches them how to appeal to City Council, Public Works, and the School Board to work on funding to make the street safer (if that really is the concern).

I would guess that with some aggressive redesign of the street to include a bike lane, or Sharrows in the right lane, with Police patrol during school commute hours... The safety issues could be addressed, students would learn a lot, and the community could be a positive example instead of an embarassment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the Principal's reaction with surprise and dismay. I hope the students are not discouraged.</p>
<p>Instead, I hope that the Principal turns this into a Covics lesson for students, teaches them how to appeal to City Council, Public Works, and the School Board to work on funding to make the street safer (if that really is the concern).</p>
<p>I would guess that with some aggressive redesign of the street to include a bike lane, or Sharrows in the right lane, with Police patrol during school commute hours... The safety issues could be addressed, students would learn a lot, and the community could be a positive example instead of an embarassment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Donati</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/02/jersey-high-school-students-protest-anti-bike-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-49806</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny Donati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a cyclist, I&#039;m appalled.

As an adult who thinks, I don&#039;t want to respond with a knee-jerk reaction.

This article tells us nothing about the street in question.  Is it particularly dangerous?  Is there a bike lane, or even room for one?  Is the speed limit in the area 55 MPH instead of 25?

The principal is saying that they provide bus service for students within walking distance because the street is too dangerous for pedestrians.  Is there no sidewalk?  (I see one in the photo, but maybe it doesn&#039;t go very far.)

I&#039;m not defending the principal&#039;s actions, and I think the students did a useful and generous thing.  However, there may be circumstances with which we&#039;re not aware . . . and this article (likewise the Star-Ledger source article) doesn&#039;t give us the answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a cyclist, I'm appalled.</p>
<p>As an adult who thinks, I don't want to respond with a knee-jerk reaction.</p>
<p>This article tells us nothing about the street in question.  Is it particularly dangerous?  Is there a bike lane, or even room for one?  Is the speed limit in the area 55 MPH instead of 25?</p>
<p>The principal is saying that they provide bus service for students within walking distance because the street is too dangerous for pedestrians.  Is there no sidewalk?  (I see one in the photo, but maybe it doesn't go very far.)</p>
<p>I'm not defending the principal's actions, and I think the students did a useful and generous thing.  However, there may be circumstances with which we're not aware . . . and this article (likewise the Star-Ledger source article) doesn't give us the answers.</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/02/jersey-high-school-students-protest-anti-bike-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-49707</link>
		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spike and Charlie, I certainly agree that safety is a greater concern with kids than adults.  Roads appropriate for adults may not be appropriate for kids, of course depending on age.  Certainly, in the case of high school kids, many of whom are already permitted to drive, I would expect they can handle themselves pretty well.

Spike, I don&#039;t think for a minute that there is a 0.5% of death or serious injury from bicycling, even over 60 years of everyday commuting, which no one does.  A bicyclist on the road that much  will be far more experienced and skilled and have a much lower risk of a bad crash than the &quot;hypothetical average&quot; bicyclist I attempted to model in the most crude way.  The point of my comment was to show that the statistics you were throwing out showing a much greater risk couldn&#039;t possibly be right.  And if I wasn&#039;t clear, I am neither an epidemiologist nor a statistician, so no one should rely on my musings in comment 41, beyond concluding that they prove the &quot;serious injury every 15 years&quot; statistic wrong.

I&#039;m really just bemoaning the inaccessibility of reliable data about the risks of bicycling (which inaccessiblity Charles to some degree confirmed), given the ubiquitous &quot;popular wisdom&quot; based on junk statistics and worse that bicycling is extremely dangerous.  That popular wisdom underlies Riccobono&#039;s unfortunate stance against the kids at his school that wish to bicycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spike and Charlie, I certainly agree that safety is a greater concern with kids than adults.  Roads appropriate for adults may not be appropriate for kids, of course depending on age.  Certainly, in the case of high school kids, many of whom are already permitted to drive, I would expect they can handle themselves pretty well.</p>
<p>Spike, I don't think for a minute that there is a 0.5% of death or serious injury from bicycling, even over 60 years of everyday commuting, which no one does.  A bicyclist on the road that much  will be far more experienced and skilled and have a much lower risk of a bad crash than the "hypothetical average" bicyclist I attempted to model in the most crude way.  The point of my comment was to show that the statistics you were throwing out showing a much greater risk couldn't possibly be right.  And if I wasn't clear, I am neither an epidemiologist nor a statistician, so no one should rely on my musings in comment 41, beyond concluding that they prove the "serious injury every 15 years" statistic wrong.</p>
<p>I'm really just bemoaning the inaccessibility of reliable data about the risks of bicycling (which inaccessiblity Charles to some degree confirmed), given the ubiquitous "popular wisdom" based on junk statistics and worse that bicycling is extremely dangerous.  That popular wisdom underlies Riccobono's unfortunate stance against the kids at his school that wish to bicycle.</p>
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		<title>By: spike</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/02/jersey-high-school-students-protest-anti-bike-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-49706</link>
		<dc:creator>spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 21:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that should have been death over a lifetime of 0.5%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that should have been death over a lifetime of 0.5%.</p>
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		<title>By: spike</title>
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		<dc:creator>spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 21:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Children riding bicycles on dangerous roads will get killed. If the kids have good routes to ride to school they should ride to school.  The road in front of the school is described as a busy tertiary road. If it had a wide shoulder or a bike lane, it might be an OK road to ride on. Unfortunately with the advent of the cell phone, drivers in NJ have become really scary. 

 No. 41 estimated  a 27% chance of death or serious injury from biking during a life time and estimates the chance of death per year as 0.5%. That seems about right to me and thats a pretty big risk.  There are roughly 40000 deaths from car crashes each year or about 1.6% of total deaths. People spend much, much more time on average in cars than on bikes, so on per mile or per minute basis, biking is much more dangerous. 

That said, biking is a blast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Children riding bicycles on dangerous roads will get killed. If the kids have good routes to ride to school they should ride to school.  The road in front of the school is described as a busy tertiary road. If it had a wide shoulder or a bike lane, it might be an OK road to ride on. Unfortunately with the advent of the cell phone, drivers in NJ have become really scary. </p>
<p> No. 41 estimated  a 27% chance of death or serious injury from biking during a life time and estimates the chance of death per year as 0.5%. That seems about right to me and thats a pretty big risk.  There are roughly 40000 deaths from car crashes each year or about 1.6% of total deaths. People spend much, much more time on average in cars than on bikes, so on per mile or per minute basis, biking is much more dangerous. </p>
<p>That said, biking is a blast.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 02:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since John Deere mentioned Ken Kifer, I figured I&#039;d say something about him.  I remembered coming across his page and being very impressed with his statistical argument.

Some of you may know that he was killed by a drunk driver in 2003, at the age of 57.  While in my head I know that the larger trends that he measured are more important than individual cases, from an emotional point of view the fact that he himself was in the violent-death category is hard to overlook.

http://www.kenkifer.com/death.htm
http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/health/risks.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since John Deere mentioned Ken Kifer, I figured I'd say something about him.  I remembered coming across his page and being very impressed with his statistical argument.</p>
<p>Some of you may know that he was killed by a drunk driver in 2003, at the age of 57.  While in my head I know that the larger trends that he measured are more important than individual cases, from an emotional point of view the fact that he himself was in the violent-death category is hard to overlook.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kenkifer.com/death.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.kenkifer.com/death.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/health/risks.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/health/risks.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Komanoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Komanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 00:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bicycles Only -- While I love where you&#039;re coming from, your mathematical exertions are beside the point. The way to evaluate the risk of doing something is to compare it to the risk of not doing it. &quot;Not bicycling&quot; means foregoing the physical-activity benefits of cycling.

Mayer Hillman (U.K.) plumbed the data ~15 yrs ago and concluded that cycling&#039;s p-a benefits outweighed its crash risks by &gt;10-to-1 even in
cycling-unfriendly England. Absurdly, his book with these findings is both out-of-print and hard to find on the Internet. I give a brief
account of it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.komanoff.net/bicycle/avenues_for_activism.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Maybe someone can post a direct link?

Also, B Only, kid cyclists do crash considerably more often than adults. It may also be that they need the p-a benefits of cycling somewhat less than adults. Thus, the risk-ratio reward for kids&#039; cycling may be (a lot) less than 10-to-1, but I&#039;m confident it&#039;s a good deal more than 1.

Let&#039;s not get sidetracked, though. Those NJ kids are fantastic. We should be showering them with hosannas and support from legal to financial to moral. I wish I was in a position to spearhead this or even just participate. They&#039;re a miracle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bicycles Only -- While I love where you're coming from, your mathematical exertions are beside the point. The way to evaluate the risk of doing something is to compare it to the risk of not doing it. "Not bicycling" means foregoing the physical-activity benefits of cycling.</p>
<p>Mayer Hillman (U.K.) plumbed the data ~15 yrs ago and concluded that cycling's p-a benefits outweighed its crash risks by &gt;10-to-1 even in<br />
cycling-unfriendly England. Absurdly, his book with these findings is both out-of-print and hard to find on the Internet. I give a brief<br />
account of it <a href="http://www.komanoff.net/bicycle/avenues_for_activism.php" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Maybe someone can post a direct link?</p>
<p>Also, B Only, kid cyclists do crash considerably more often than adults. It may also be that they need the p-a benefits of cycling somewhat less than adults. Thus, the risk-ratio reward for kids' cycling may be (a lot) less than 10-to-1, but I'm confident it's a good deal more than 1.</p>
<p>Let's not get sidetracked, though. Those NJ kids are fantastic. We should be showering them with hosannas and support from legal to financial to moral. I wish I was in a position to spearhead this or even just participate. They're a miracle.</p>
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		<title>By: FormerNYer</title>
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		<dc:creator>FormerNYer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 19:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bless these kids for standing up for what they think is right.  This situation in itself is a fantastic civics lesson.  I can appreciate both sides of the position but the reality is that providing bicycle parking spaces is probably no more litigous than providing car parking spaces.  Is the school/district worried about the parents of students who drive suing them if they get in an accident driving to school?  Probably not so much.  Yet there is obviously parking provided which encourages them to drive.  Let&#039;s all relax and maybe this will lead to some bigger picture improvements like paved shoulders, contiguous sidewalks (including from the street to the school&#039;s front door, which appear to be missing in the photo), and putting that bike rack in question right up by the front door of the school where it belongs.  And as a bike rider since I was a kid and a long-standing commuter (15 years+) with well over 100,000 miles on my bike I just retired, I have only been in three accidents with cars (none serious and two of which were road rage) and know no one who has been killed riding there bike (and I know a LOT of bicyclists).  But I do know several people killed in auto/auto crashes including an uncle and my father-in-law and have had several people seriously injured (sister, former coach, three cousins, sister-in-law).  So maybe we need to rethink all those cars and car parking lots!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bless these kids for standing up for what they think is right.  This situation in itself is a fantastic civics lesson.  I can appreciate both sides of the position but the reality is that providing bicycle parking spaces is probably no more litigous than providing car parking spaces.  Is the school/district worried about the parents of students who drive suing them if they get in an accident driving to school?  Probably not so much.  Yet there is obviously parking provided which encourages them to drive.  Let's all relax and maybe this will lead to some bigger picture improvements like paved shoulders, contiguous sidewalks (including from the street to the school's front door, which appear to be missing in the photo), and putting that bike rack in question right up by the front door of the school where it belongs.  And as a bike rider since I was a kid and a long-standing commuter (15 years+) with well over 100,000 miles on my bike I just retired, I have only been in three accidents with cars (none serious and two of which were road rage) and know no one who has been killed riding there bike (and I know a LOT of bicyclists).  But I do know several people killed in auto/auto crashes including an uncle and my father-in-law and have had several people seriously injured (sister, former coach, three cousins, sister-in-law).  So maybe we need to rethink all those cars and car parking lots!</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/02/jersey-high-school-students-protest-anti-bike-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-49635</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(The sad truth is that kids get killed or seriously injured by cars all the time--browse the discontinued &quot;weekly carnage&quot; reports here on SB--and I don&#039;t recall any politicans taking &quot;heat&quot; for those tragic events at all.)

Right, because today&#039;s politicians didn&#039;t make decisions to create the conditions that led to those automobile deaths.  They made non-decisions to not prevent those deaths.

Now contrast the furor over a few million in phony pork line items in the City Council budget with the boredom with the fact that &quot;due to circumstances beyond our control&quot; the state and MTA are basically bankrupt.

That&#039;s why politicians like to make deals in the dark, and non-decisions to lock in existing benefits.  If the politicians are &quot;dismayed&quot; about the CP backlash, it is because they are not used to being criticized, or even noticed, for their non-decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(The sad truth is that kids get killed or seriously injured by cars all the time--browse the discontinued "weekly carnage" reports here on SB--and I don't recall any politicans taking "heat" for those tragic events at all.)</p>
<p>Right, because today's politicians didn't make decisions to create the conditions that led to those automobile deaths.  They made non-decisions to not prevent those deaths.</p>
<p>Now contrast the furor over a few million in phony pork line items in the City Council budget with the boredom with the fact that "due to circumstances beyond our control" the state and MTA are basically bankrupt.</p>
<p>That's why politicians like to make deals in the dark, and non-decisions to lock in existing benefits.  If the politicians are "dismayed" about the CP backlash, it is because they are not used to being criticized, or even noticed, for their non-decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/02/jersey-high-school-students-protest-anti-bike-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-49632</link>
		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, according my survey of the reports on the ~ 170 Safe routes to Schools &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/safety/saferoutes.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;priority&quot; schools&lt;/a&gt;, there was one child seriously injured in Staten Island while bicycling to school (I did not review the Bronx reports).  The sad truth is that kids get killed or seriously injured by cars all the time--browse the discontinued &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.streetsblog.org/category/special-features/carnage/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;weekly carnage&quot;&lt;/a&gt; reports here on SB--and I don&#039;t recall any politicans taking &quot;heat&quot; for those tragic events at all. Indeed, when &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nypress.com/17/9/feature/feature.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;two boys were killed on Third Avenue in Brooklyn in 2004 when walking home from school&lt;/a&gt;, the pols promised safety improvements but they &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/19/dot-pledged-pedestrian-safety-fixes-for-third-avenue-by-2006/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;never materialized.&lt;/a&gt;  Then &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/14/four-year-old-killed-by-hummer-shouldnt-have-died-in-vain/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;another 4-year old was killed in the same spot.&lt;/a&gt;  Can you tell me one politician who suffered for that?  

I know you do not intend to foster or excuse inaction, Larry, but the poitician&#039;s excuse that s/he cannot encourage bicycling to school because of the political fallout is demonstrably false (or true in the same meaningless sense that virtually any policy change might come back to haunt the policymaker).  We should demand more from our representatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, according my survey of the reports on the ~ 170 Safe routes to Schools <a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/safety/saferoutes.shtml" rel="nofollow">"priority" schools</a>, there was one child seriously injured in Staten Island while bicycling to school (I did not review the Bronx reports).  The sad truth is that kids get killed or seriously injured by cars all the time--browse the discontinued <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/category/special-features/carnage/" rel="nofollow">"weekly carnage"</a> reports here on SB--and I don't recall any politicans taking "heat" for those tragic events at all. Indeed, when <a href="http://www.nypress.com/17/9/feature/feature.cfm" rel="nofollow">two boys were killed on Third Avenue in Brooklyn in 2004 when walking home from school</a>, the pols promised safety improvements but they <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/19/dot-pledged-pedestrian-safety-fixes-for-third-avenue-by-2006/" rel="nofollow">never materialized.</a>  Then <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/14/four-year-old-killed-by-hummer-shouldnt-have-died-in-vain/" rel="nofollow">another 4-year old was killed in the same spot.</a>  Can you tell me one politician who suffered for that?  </p>
<p>I know you do not intend to foster or excuse inaction, Larry, but the poitician's excuse that s/he cannot encourage bicycling to school because of the political fallout is demonstrably false (or true in the same meaningless sense that virtually any policy change might come back to haunt the policymaker).  We should demand more from our representatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/02/jersey-high-school-students-protest-anti-bike-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-49628</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 16:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nonetheless, there is poltical risk as well as litigation risk.

Imagine if the city were to actively seek to have middle schoolers ride to school, and made an all out push to make it possible -- free, simple bicycles, racks at home and school, etc.  Sooner or later one of them would be killed in an auto accident, and at that point the benefits would not matter politically, just that one death.

I wonder if it is possible to tally up all the children killed and injured while driving or being driven to school?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonetheless, there is poltical risk as well as litigation risk.</p>
<p>Imagine if the city were to actively seek to have middle schoolers ride to school, and made an all out push to make it possible -- free, simple bicycles, racks at home and school, etc.  Sooner or later one of them would be killed in an auto accident, and at that point the benefits would not matter politically, just that one death.</p>
<p>I wonder if it is possible to tally up all the children killed and injured while driving or being driven to school?</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/05/02/jersey-high-school-students-protest-anti-bike-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-49624</link>
		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes John (#43), litigation risk is far too often used an excuse to avoid change. Many NYC private schools put out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicyclesonly/1425507777/in/set-72157604119157025/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a bicycle rack&lt;/a&gt; or two, and you&#039;d think private schools would be more concerned about and responsive to the litigation risk than public schools (fewer constituencies to respond to, none of the legal obstacles to suing a public entity, higher average income and presumably  greater prevalence of motoring to school).  

Even the New York City public school system seems to have overcome the fear of litigation, having installed City Racks&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicyclesonly/2184765447/in/set-72157604119157025/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; directly in front of public elementary schools.&lt;/a&gt;  DoT is even &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicyclesonly/1398074992/in/set-72157604119157025/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; distributing cycling maps directly to NYC schools,&lt;/a&gt; to foster increased bicycling. 

There&#039;s simply no basis for this suburban principal to hide behind litigation risk.  Whether minors use bicycles for transportation or not is primarily their parents&#039; responsibility, and secondarily their own responsibility.  The risk that the school would be held liable based on its supposed tertiary role in encouraging bicycling is so remote it is laughable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes John (#43), litigation risk is far too often used an excuse to avoid change. Many NYC private schools put out <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicyclesonly/1425507777/in/set-72157604119157025/" rel="nofollow">a bicycle rack</a> or two, and you'd think private schools would be more concerned about and responsive to the litigation risk than public schools (fewer constituencies to respond to, none of the legal obstacles to suing a public entity, higher average income and presumably  greater prevalence of motoring to school).  </p>
<p>Even the New York City public school system seems to have overcome the fear of litigation, having installed City Racks<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicyclesonly/2184765447/in/set-72157604119157025/" rel="nofollow"> directly in front of public elementary schools.</a>  DoT is even <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicyclesonly/1398074992/in/set-72157604119157025/" rel="nofollow"> distributing cycling maps directly to NYC schools,</a> to foster increased bicycling. </p>
<p>There's simply no basis for this suburban principal to hide behind litigation risk.  Whether minors use bicycles for transportation or not is primarily their parents' responsibility, and secondarily their own responsibility.  The risk that the school would be held liable based on its supposed tertiary role in encouraging bicycling is so remote it is laughable.</p>
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