Comments on: DOT Rolls Out “Sustainable Streets” Plan http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:01:47 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Brad Aaron http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49257 Brad Aaron Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:54:46 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/#comment-49257 Good point, Mun. As I'm sure you know, DOT and MTA/NYCT are working together on BRT, but, yeah, good point. Good point, Mun. As I'm sure you know, DOT and MTA/NYCT are working together on BRT, but, yeah, good point.

]]> By: Josh http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49252 Josh Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:06:50 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/#comment-49252 I kind of assumed "BicyclesOnly" must be at least somewhat figurative, since I don't imagine s/he gets around within his/her apartment on a bicycle, for example. :) I kind of assumed "BicyclesOnly" must be at least somewhat figurative, since I don't imagine s/he gets around within his/her apartment on a bicycle, for example. :)

]]> By: Spud Spudly http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49238 Spud Spudly Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:58:58 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/#comment-49238 And I'm sorry to triple-post, but if you're really "Bicycles Only" how the heck did you get anywhere today if you didn't bike? And I'm sorry to triple-post, but if you're really "Bicycles Only" how the heck did you get anywhere today if you didn't bike?

]]> By: Spud Spudly http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49237 Spud Spudly Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:57:46 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/#comment-49237 Hey, B.O. I just clicked on your "few" link. Kind of strange that the Prius in the background looks just like a NYCDOT staff car, eh? Right down to the antenna sticking up in the air. Hey, B.O. I just clicked on your "few" link. Kind of strange that the Prius in the background looks just like a NYCDOT staff car, eh? Right down to the antenna sticking up in the air.

]]> By: Spud Spudly http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49236 Spud Spudly Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:56:16 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/#comment-49236 I do bring my Specialized out now and then, B.O. (you don't mind if I call you B.O., do you?). And maybe you and LL are right that the infrastructure will induce the demand. I guess we'll find out soon, right? And Davis, I wasn't referring to the diagram above when I said that -- in fact, I didn't even notice the bike lanes until you mentioned them. I was talking about the sample street diagrams in the DOT's pdf files from their Web site. I do bring my Specialized out now and then, B.O. (you don't mind if I call you B.O., do you?). And maybe you and LL are right that the infrastructure will induce the demand. I guess we'll find out soon, right?

And Davis, I wasn't referring to the diagram above when I said that -- in fact, I didn't even notice the bike lanes until you mentioned them. I was talking about the sample street diagrams in the DOT's pdf files from their Web site.

]]> By: Mun http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49221 Mun Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:40:21 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/#comment-49221 That would sure be nice: "measures within the city's control, like Bus Rapid Transit." But the city doesnt control a big part of BRT including: vehicles, (real time) passenger information, fare collection, enforcement cameras, frequency and regularity of service etc. The city controls signals, physical right of way and stops. That would sure be nice: "measures within the city's control, like Bus Rapid Transit."
But the city doesnt control a big part of BRT including: vehicles, (real time) passenger information, fare collection, enforcement cameras, frequency and regularity of service etc. The city controls signals, physical right of way and stops.

]]> By: vnm http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49220 vnm Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:21:31 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/#comment-49220 New York Winters will be a thing of the past once we've sufficiently warmed the planet New York Winters will be a thing of the past once we've sufficiently warmed the planet

]]> By: Gary http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49219 Gary Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:20:15 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/#comment-49219 I'll be there tonight. Any other Streetsbloggers attending? I'll be there tonight. Any other Streetsbloggers attending?

]]> By: BicyclesOnly http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49218 BicyclesOnly Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:52:36 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/#comment-49218 Spud, you're right that only a <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicyclesonly/2449192580/" rel="nofollow">few</a> will bike on a day like today--I certainly didn't--but plenty of folks bicycle <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicyclesonly/sets/72157603848862349/" rel="nofollow">through the coldest months of winter.</a> I think you have stated that you bicycle on occasion, so you probably are aware that with many, regular bicycling leads to a strong desire to bicycle regularly regardless of the weather. Providing the infrastructure that gets people bicycling in the first place will induce demand that stands up against most weather. Spud, you're right that only a few will bike on a day like today--I certainly didn't--but plenty of folks bicycle through the coldest months of winter. I think you have stated that you bicycle on occasion, so you probably are aware that with many, regular bicycling leads to a strong desire to bicycle regularly regardless of the weather. Providing the infrastructure that gets people bicycling in the first place will induce demand that stands up against most weather.

]]> By: Spud Spudly http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49213 Spud Spudly Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:15:36 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/#comment-49213 I don't think a lime green bike lane is going to induce demand to bike in the winter or on a day like this, but like I said, at least the space won't be occupied by cars. I don't think a lime green bike lane is going to induce demand to bike in the winter or on a day like this, but like I said, at least the space won't be occupied by cars.

]]> By: Davis http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49212 Davis Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:13:12 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/#comment-49212 Two tiny little strips of lane on the chart above are "so much space to bicycles?" Are you serious? Two tiny little strips of lane on the chart above are "so much space to bicycles?" Are you serious?

]]> By: Larry Littlefield http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49210 Larry Littlefield Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:03:08 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/#comment-49210 (I do however remain skeptical about devoting so much street space to bicycles which very few people are going to use all winter or on a day like this) The question is whether you build capacity in advance of demand in order to induce it. Clearly a lot of the potential bicycle transportation demand is inhibited by the fear of riding in traffic, and would be attracted by enough separated lanes. For peds, there is no shortage of demand. (I do however remain skeptical about devoting so much street space to bicycles which very few people are going to use all winter or on a day like this)

The question is whether you build capacity in advance of demand in order to induce it. Clearly a lot of the potential bicycle transportation demand is inhibited by the fear of riding in traffic, and would be attracted by enough separated lanes.

For peds, there is no shortage of demand.

]]> By: Spud Spudly http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49209 Spud Spudly Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:58:24 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/#comment-49209 It is a nice wish list though, and just the diagram above is enough to make me smile. I do however remain skeptical about devoting so much street space to bicycles which very few people are going to use all winter or on a day like this (yeah, I know, everybody here biked in today). But even unused bike lanes are open space that isn't filled by cars. It is a nice wish list though, and just the diagram above is enough to make me smile. I do however remain skeptical about devoting so much street space to bicycles which very few people are going to use all winter or on a day like this (yeah, I know, everybody here biked in today). But even unused bike lanes are open space that isn't filled by cars.

]]> By: drose http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49207 drose Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:45:17 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/#comment-49207 Glancing at the benchmarks, most of them either require funding, legislative approval, or both. Looks more like a wish list than plans that will get done. Also, Hilary won't be happy that this plan calls for trucks on the Grand Central, Henry Hudson and Belt Parkway. Glancing at the benchmarks, most of them either require funding, legislative approval, or both. Looks more like a wish list than plans that will get done.

Also, Hilary won't be happy that this plan calls for trucks on the Grand Central, Henry Hudson and Belt Parkway.

]]> By: Josh http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49202 Josh Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:55:56 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/28/dot-rolls-out-sustainable-streets-plan/#comment-49202 I glanced at the report on the DOT website and it looks very pretty, which makes me wonder - is there any way to obtain a print copy of it? I glanced at the report on the DOT website and it looks very pretty, which makes me wonder - is there any way to obtain a print copy of it?

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