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	<title>Comments on: A Transit Miracle on 34th Street</title>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/17/a-transit-miracle-on-34th-street/comment-page-1/#comment-54115</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This a great proposal.  NY has one of the finest public transport systems in the world.  As long as you want to travel north to south in Manhattan.   Travelling across the island is a disaster.   Anything like this to create quick and easy public transport across the city seems to make inordinate sense to me.   Car drivers have 33rd, 32nd, 35th, 36th to choose from very close by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This a great proposal.  NY has one of the finest public transport systems in the world.  As long as you want to travel north to south in Manhattan.   Travelling across the island is a disaster.   Anything like this to create quick and easy public transport across the city seems to make inordinate sense to me.   Car drivers have 33rd, 32nd, 35th, 36th to choose from very close by.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/17/a-transit-miracle-on-34th-street/comment-page-1/#comment-51072</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 21:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What ronald mcdonald house employee came up with this idea for 34th street. Being somone who drives across 34th 2x a day every week day I find this plan to be incomprehensible</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What ronald mcdonald house employee came up with this idea for 34th street. Being somone who drives across 34th 2x a day every week day I find this plan to be incomprehensible</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/17/a-transit-miracle-on-34th-street/comment-page-1/#comment-50012</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 03:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sad to report that a woman on a Vélib&#039; bike was hit by a bus and killed in Paris on May 3:

http://www.leparisien.fr/home/info/vivremieux/articles/A-PARIS-LE-PIEGE-DES-COULOIRS-DE-BUS-INTERDITS_298491735

It looks like the shared bus/bike lanes contributed to the problem.  Or rather, the fact that it&#039;s not well-marked when cyclists are &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; allowed in a shared lane, as in this lane, because it&#039;s too narrow for a bus to pass a cyclist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm sad to report that a woman on a Vélib' bike was hit by a bus and killed in Paris on May 3:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.leparisien.fr/home/info/vivremieux/articles/A-PARIS-LE-PIEGE-DES-COULOIRS-DE-BUS-INTERDITS_298491735" rel="nofollow">http://www.leparisien.fr/home/info/vivremieux/articles/A-PARIS-LE-PIEGE-DES-COULOIRS-DE-BUS-INTERDITS_298491735</a></p>
<p>It looks like the shared bus/bike lanes contributed to the problem.  Or rather, the fact that it's not well-marked when cyclists are <i>not</i> allowed in a shared lane, as in this lane, because it's too narrow for a bus to pass a cyclist.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/17/a-transit-miracle-on-34th-street/comment-page-1/#comment-48947</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, so this really is going to happen and not just another &quot;study&quot; or &quot;proposal&quot;?  If so, this is great news!  It&#039;s about time New York starts catching up to what countless other cities around the world are doing (taking their cities back from auto congestion and giving it back to the people and transit).  And this is how you do it; little by little.  A 34th Street project; the Fordham Road BRT, another greenway, BRT or ped/bike facility somewhere else.  Before you know it, you can connect the system together and it creates a whole!  This is how it was done in Copenhagen IINM.  
BTW, a 34th Street busway could have REALLY come in handy last year when I worked in Midtown and needed to take the 16 from the east side to the Port Authority... ugh!!!  I mean you want the definition of an excruciating experience, look no further!  High-quality BRT seems like a no-brainer for a city with one of the most extensive transit systems in the country!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, so this really is going to happen and not just another "study" or "proposal"?  If so, this is great news!  It's about time New York starts catching up to what countless other cities around the world are doing (taking their cities back from auto congestion and giving it back to the people and transit).  And this is how you do it; little by little.  A 34th Street project; the Fordham Road BRT, another greenway, BRT or ped/bike facility somewhere else.  Before you know it, you can connect the system together and it creates a whole!  This is how it was done in Copenhagen IINM.<br />
BTW, a 34th Street busway could have REALLY come in handy last year when I worked in Midtown and needed to take the 16 from the east side to the Port Authority... ugh!!!  I mean you want the definition of an excruciating experience, look no further!  High-quality BRT seems like a no-brainer for a city with one of the most extensive transit systems in the country!</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/17/a-transit-miracle-on-34th-street/comment-page-1/#comment-48658</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MORONS: Use the &quot;Thru Streets&quot;, you&#039;ll get there faster.

Why not just close all the major crosstown thoroughfares to cabs, cars, etc? Only BRT, pedestrians and bicycles.

Dedicate 2,500 police to traffic enforcement; the increased fines could pay for the extra police and fund transit. Vote on my poll!

http://bettertransitny.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MORONS: Use the "Thru Streets", you'll get there faster.</p>
<p>Why not just close all the major crosstown thoroughfares to cabs, cars, etc? Only BRT, pedestrians and bicycles.</p>
<p>Dedicate 2,500 police to traffic enforcement; the increased fines could pay for the extra police and fund transit. Vote on my poll!</p>
<p><a href="http://bettertransitny.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://bettertransitny.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: momos</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/17/a-transit-miracle-on-34th-street/comment-page-1/#comment-48654</link>
		<dc:creator>momos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MORONS
Your reasoning is the same as that of Robert Moses, who concluded that leveling the Village to make way for a crosstown expressway was the best thing for commuters.

Fact is (and I know you know this), it&#039;s simply impossible to build sufficient road capacity for individual cars. Thus we must maximize what capacity we do have. This means using roads to move buses full of people, not cars with one person each. And as most people traversing 34th are neither in car nor bus, but are on foot, it&#039;s desirable to widen sidewalks to increase pedestrian capacity as well.

The &quot;morons,&quot; my friend, are drivers in SUVs gridlocked on 34th: wasting time, blocking the street for buses and emergency vehicles, enriching the pockets of Middle Eastern dictators with each gallon of burned gasoline, and degrading the city&#039;s air and the planet&#039;s atmosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MORONS<br />
Your reasoning is the same as that of Robert Moses, who concluded that leveling the Village to make way for a crosstown expressway was the best thing for commuters.</p>
<p>Fact is (and I know you know this), it's simply impossible to build sufficient road capacity for individual cars. Thus we must maximize what capacity we do have. This means using roads to move buses full of people, not cars with one person each. And as most people traversing 34th are neither in car nor bus, but are on foot, it's desirable to widen sidewalks to increase pedestrian capacity as well.</p>
<p>The "morons," my friend, are drivers in SUVs gridlocked on 34th: wasting time, blocking the street for buses and emergency vehicles, enriching the pockets of Middle Eastern dictators with each gallon of burned gasoline, and degrading the city's air and the planet's atmosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: vnm</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/17/a-transit-miracle-on-34th-street/comment-page-1/#comment-48632</link>
		<dc:creator>vnm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MORONS, the street will move more people back and forth, just fewer cars. Who benefits? The bus-riding majority of New Yorkers. The relatively few who drive through town on their way to and from elsewhere, contributing nothing but pollution and aggravation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MORONS, the street will move more people back and forth, just fewer cars. Who benefits? The bus-riding majority of New Yorkers. The relatively few who drive through town on their way to and from elsewhere, contributing nothing but pollution and aggravation.</p>
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		<title>By: DOT MORONS</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/17/a-transit-miracle-on-34th-street/comment-page-1/#comment-48628</link>
		<dc:creator>DOT MORONS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is quite possibly the most idiotic idea I have seen yet. 34th street is one of if not the busiest through street in Manhattan. It connects the Midtown Tunnel and the Lincoln Tunnel. It is considered the continuation of Interstate 495 and to cut off traffic on a section of that roadway would be asinine. Have these people ever seen how much traffic travels on that road and the ones surrounding it. The congestion in that area will only increase with the implementation of this pedestrian plaza. The greater reliance on buses in this area while better for the environment would not be a suitable replacement to taking away car traffic.

In an ideal world this is a great idea and would be great for the businesses on that stretch between 5th and 6th avenues. In reality this would be disastrous to commuters and businesses a like any where else. The city would be fooling itself if they think they can pull this off without suffering major consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quite possibly the most idiotic idea I have seen yet. 34th street is one of if not the busiest through street in Manhattan. It connects the Midtown Tunnel and the Lincoln Tunnel. It is considered the continuation of Interstate 495 and to cut off traffic on a section of that roadway would be asinine. Have these people ever seen how much traffic travels on that road and the ones surrounding it. The congestion in that area will only increase with the implementation of this pedestrian plaza. The greater reliance on buses in this area while better for the environment would not be a suitable replacement to taking away car traffic.</p>
<p>In an ideal world this is a great idea and would be great for the businesses on that stretch between 5th and 6th avenues. In reality this would be disastrous to commuters and businesses a like any where else. The city would be fooling itself if they think they can pull this off without suffering major consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, but Tuna, 34th Street was not a part of the BRT project back when Iris Weinshall was in sitting on the project doing almost nothing to move it forward in a meaningful way. And that&#039;s a significant change. 

Likewise, these creative, innovative street designs and physically-separated lanes were not a part of the project. In fact, it was the opposite. The MTA bus people were complaining that Weinshall&#039;s traffic engineers were reluctant to make the street design changes necessary to really make BRT work. I take that with a grain of salt since one of the easiest things in the world to do is to get MTA to talk smack about DOT and vice versa. 

The more significant take-away is that prior to JSK there was no real sense of partnership and collaboration between Iris and whomever the Howard Roberts counterpart was back then. 

I&#039;m sure some of the old BRT plans can be found here on Streetsblog and you can see for yourself: JSK and her people have vastly improved these plans. I think her admin deserves a ton of credit. 

Primeggia is no longer such a big problem now that he&#039;s not running the agency, now that he has an actual boss who makes decisions rather than deferring everything to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, but Tuna, 34th Street was not a part of the BRT project back when Iris Weinshall was in sitting on the project doing almost nothing to move it forward in a meaningful way. And that's a significant change. </p>
<p>Likewise, these creative, innovative street designs and physically-separated lanes were not a part of the project. In fact, it was the opposite. The MTA bus people were complaining that Weinshall's traffic engineers were reluctant to make the street design changes necessary to really make BRT work. I take that with a grain of salt since one of the easiest things in the world to do is to get MTA to talk smack about DOT and vice versa. </p>
<p>The more significant take-away is that prior to JSK there was no real sense of partnership and collaboration between Iris and whomever the Howard Roberts counterpart was back then. </p>
<p>I'm sure some of the old BRT plans can be found here on Streetsblog and you can see for yourself: JSK and her people have vastly improved these plans. I think her admin deserves a ton of credit. </p>
<p>Primeggia is no longer such a big problem now that he's not running the agency, now that he has an actual boss who makes decisions rather than deferring everything to him.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuna Loaf</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/17/a-transit-miracle-on-34th-street/comment-page-1/#comment-48617</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuna Loaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to rain on the love-fest, but BRT was around before JSK, and the proposed roadway changes on 34th would surely be impossible without the blessing of one Darth Primeggia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to rain on the love-fest, but BRT was around before JSK, and the proposed roadway changes on 34th would surely be impossible without the blessing of one Darth Primeggia.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/17/a-transit-miracle-on-34th-street/comment-page-1/#comment-48610</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to bureaucrat:  who will pay for streetcars?  other cities have streetcars.  Portland, OREGON, has streetcars.  Last time I checked, NYC had a lot more money than Portland.

As far as bikes go, don&#039;t worry about restricting bikes from the transitway.  It won&#039;t work.  Bicyclists use one-way streets the wrong way.  They use bus lanes, they use anything that&#039;s not an expressway.  This is a good thing.  Do you honestly think that a messenger wouldn&#039;t use this transitway to make deliveries or to simply cross town?  And if they do it, anyone can do it, really.  Might as well accomodate them (us), with sufficiently wide lanes.  It works in Paris, VERY well.

When speaking of connecting the green modes, let&#039;s not make the mistake of inferring that the airports represent green transportation.  They are least green, next to cruise ships.

And please, please pinch me.  I love you, JSK!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to bureaucrat:  who will pay for streetcars?  other cities have streetcars.  Portland, OREGON, has streetcars.  Last time I checked, NYC had a lot more money than Portland.</p>
<p>As far as bikes go, don't worry about restricting bikes from the transitway.  It won't work.  Bicyclists use one-way streets the wrong way.  They use bus lanes, they use anything that's not an expressway.  This is a good thing.  Do you honestly think that a messenger wouldn't use this transitway to make deliveries or to simply cross town?  And if they do it, anyone can do it, really.  Might as well accomodate them (us), with sufficiently wide lanes.  It works in Paris, VERY well.</p>
<p>When speaking of connecting the green modes, let's not make the mistake of inferring that the airports represent green transportation.  They are least green, next to cruise ships.</p>
<p>And please, please pinch me.  I love you, JSK!</p>
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		<title>By: Niccolo Machiavelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niccolo Machiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theres no bigger rail fan here than me Urbanis, but JFK and Newark already have pretty good connections.  I&#039;m a regular A to air train user and don&#039;t find a lot of problems with that service.  And the few times I have taken transit from Newark has been pleasant as well.  LaGuardia is a different story but there is a bus connection that does work to get to that particular third world location.

The air train was over a Billion dollars when built and would be twice that today.  So as far as exponents, the BRT service will be the exponentially greater service and further airport connections are a lot of dollars chasing very few asses in the seat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theres no bigger rail fan here than me Urbanis, but JFK and Newark already have pretty good connections.  I'm a regular A to air train user and don't find a lot of problems with that service.  And the few times I have taken transit from Newark has been pleasant as well.  LaGuardia is a different story but there is a bus connection that does work to get to that particular third world location.</p>
<p>The air train was over a Billion dollars when built and would be twice that today.  So as far as exponents, the BRT service will be the exponentially greater service and further airport connections are a lot of dollars chasing very few asses in the seat.</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
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		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s fine with me if bicycles are prohibited from the proposed car-free block 34th St.  There&#039;s always 33rd and 35th Streets.  But if DoT goes forward with the plan, it would be nice if they employed signage that made clear that the prohibition applies to bicycles as well, rather than leaving bicyclists guessing (as they currently do on 5th Ave. bet. 59th and 110th, where the right lane is much safer for bicyclists, the signage says &quot;buses only&quot; in the right lane, but police will inconsistently advice bicyclists to ride in the bus lane or next to it).

As for the dual bus lanes on 5th and Madison. it&#039;s a great idea, I just wish they&#039;d extend them north of 59th.  won&#039;t there be a bottleneck at 59th when two lanes worth of rush hour bus traffic have to merge into one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's fine with me if bicycles are prohibited from the proposed car-free block 34th St.  There's always 33rd and 35th Streets.  But if DoT goes forward with the plan, it would be nice if they employed signage that made clear that the prohibition applies to bicycles as well, rather than leaving bicyclists guessing (as they currently do on 5th Ave. bet. 59th and 110th, where the right lane is much safer for bicyclists, the signage says "buses only" in the right lane, but police will inconsistently advice bicyclists to ride in the bus lane or next to it).</p>
<p>As for the dual bus lanes on 5th and Madison. it's a great idea, I just wish they'd extend them north of 59th.  won't there be a bottleneck at 59th when two lanes worth of rush hour bus traffic have to merge into one?</p>
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		<title>By: Urbanis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urbanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@momos: Yes, and I would be in heaven if we could also have direct rail connections--and bicycle corridors!--from Penn/GCT to our airports: JFK, LGA, and Newark. The synergy of these greener transit options being linked together would exponentially improve our collective quality of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@momos: Yes, and I would be in heaven if we could also have direct rail connections--and bicycle corridors!--from Penn/GCT to our airports: JFK, LGA, and Newark. The synergy of these greener transit options being linked together would exponentially improve our collective quality of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Gargamel Tralfaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gargamel Tralfaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of cities have a loop of some sort: Chicago, Boston, Melbourne.  Sure, let&#039;s do one too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of cities have a loop of some sort: Chicago, Boston, Melbourne.  Sure, let's do one too!</p>
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		<title>By: momos</title>
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		<dc:creator>momos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Urbanis:

Exactly, you&#039;re so on point.

The genius of the 34th/42nd loop is it provides efficient cross-town transit for each main transit node in Midtown. This leverages all existing transit infrastructure for maximum efficiency.

The Vision42 study also shows that real estate along the 42nd corridor would appreciate $1 billion in value. That&#039;s tax revenue that could be plowed back into further street improvements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urbanis:</p>
<p>Exactly, you're so on point.</p>
<p>The genius of the 34th/42nd loop is it provides efficient cross-town transit for each main transit node in Midtown. This leverages all existing transit infrastructure for maximum efficiency.</p>
<p>The Vision42 study also shows that real estate along the 42nd corridor would appreciate $1 billion in value. That's tax revenue that could be plowed back into further street improvements.</p>
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		<title>By: bureaucrat</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/17/a-transit-miracle-on-34th-street/comment-page-1/#comment-48581</link>
		<dc:creator>bureaucrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) building the full transitway takes a lot of time and money. would you like to wait a few years for that or would you rather have something in the meantime?
2) &quot;why not just spring for streetcars&quot; - hope that&#039;s a joke.  who will pay for/operate/maintain said streetcars?
3) putting bikes on 34th st, as others have pointed out, makes no sense.  the right of way is extremely narrow and it&#039;s already a scrunch job fitting everything in it that they&#039;re proposing.  why not press for class 1&#039;s on 1-way side streets with their nice long blocks and mellower traffic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) building the full transitway takes a lot of time and money. would you like to wait a few years for that or would you rather have something in the meantime?<br />
2) "why not just spring for streetcars" - hope that's a joke.  who will pay for/operate/maintain said streetcars?<br />
3) putting bikes on 34th st, as others have pointed out, makes no sense.  the right of way is extremely narrow and it's already a scrunch job fitting everything in it that they're proposing.  why not press for class 1's on 1-way side streets with their nice long blocks and mellower traffic?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/17/a-transit-miracle-on-34th-street/comment-page-1/#comment-48580</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>momos, I thought the exact same thing . . . the IRUM plan.

That plan used a light rail loop or streetcar system, but no reason you couldn&#039;t do the same with buses, and possibly upgrade to rail one day if merited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>momos, I thought the exact same thing . . . the IRUM plan.</p>
<p>That plan used a light rail loop or streetcar system, but no reason you couldn't do the same with buses, and possibly upgrade to rail one day if merited.</p>
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		<title>By: Urbanis</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/17/a-transit-miracle-on-34th-street/comment-page-1/#comment-48579</link>
		<dc:creator>Urbanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@momos: What I like about the 34th/42nd loop is that it links together three transit hubs: Penn, Port Authority, and Grand Central</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@momos: What I like about the 34th/42nd loop is that it links together three transit hubs: Penn, Port Authority, and Grand Central</p>
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		<title>By: momos</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/17/a-transit-miracle-on-34th-street/comment-page-1/#comment-48577</link>
		<dc:creator>momos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incredible! Go JSK!!

Phase 3: replace the buses with sleek, low-floor electric light rail and eliminate cars across the entire 34th st corridor.

Phase 4: do the same thing on 42nd.

Phase 5: connect the trams on 34th &amp; 42nd in a loop.

This has been studied: check it out at www.vision42.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incredible! Go JSK!!</p>
<p>Phase 3: replace the buses with sleek, low-floor electric light rail and eliminate cars across the entire 34th st corridor.</p>
<p>Phase 4: do the same thing on 42nd.</p>
<p>Phase 5: connect the trams on 34th &amp; 42nd in a loop.</p>
<p>This has been studied: check it out at <a href="http://www.vision42.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.vision42.org</a></p>
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