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	<title>Comments on: Randi Weingarten Still Doesn&#8217;t Get It</title>
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		<title>By: Randi Weingarten</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/16/randi-weingarten-still-doesnt-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-54624</link>
		<dc:creator>Randi Weingarten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 05:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is always interesting to read comments about oneself.  Most teachers take public transportation and most live in New York City.  However, as many of you know we have an affordable housing crisis, and many teachers can not afford to raise families in the city, so they look to move.  More important, many schools are not readily accessible to mass transit, and many teachers come early, leave late, and carry much of the work they do at home with them.  No one condones abusers, but in the 20 plus years I have been at the teachers&#039; union, I have seen most teachers work extraordinarily hard, and don&#039;t abuse their parking privileges.  Randi Weingarten</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is always interesting to read comments about oneself.  Most teachers take public transportation and most live in New York City.  However, as many of you know we have an affordable housing crisis, and many teachers can not afford to raise families in the city, so they look to move.  More important, many schools are not readily accessible to mass transit, and many teachers come early, leave late, and carry much of the work they do at home with them.  No one condones abusers, but in the 20 plus years I have been at the teachers' union, I have seen most teachers work extraordinarily hard, and don't abuse their parking privileges.  Randi Weingarten</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/16/randi-weingarten-still-doesnt-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-48642</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if you don&#039;t believe me, consider RW&#039;s knee-jerk response to Christine Quinn&#039;s suggestion that teachers doing harder jobs working in failing schools with concentrations of troubled children at difficult ages (middle school) in difficult subjects (math) should be paid more.

That&#039;s fine, if it doesn&#039;t take away from the money available to pay teachers in cream puff out-of-classroom assignments looking to get paid more for their last year to boost their pension.  That&#039;s why Bloomberg&#039;s &quot;victory&quot; in giving some teachers bonuses is paid for with private-sector money, and will disappear when the money does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if you don't believe me, consider RW's knee-jerk response to Christine Quinn's suggestion that teachers doing harder jobs working in failing schools with concentrations of troubled children at difficult ages (middle school) in difficult subjects (math) should be paid more.</p>
<p>That's fine, if it doesn't take away from the money available to pay teachers in cream puff out-of-classroom assignments looking to get paid more for their last year to boost their pension.  That's why Bloomberg's "victory" in giving some teachers bonuses is paid for with private-sector money, and will disappear when the money does.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/16/randi-weingarten-still-doesnt-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-48641</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Sounds like a win-win for both sides.)

No, it&#039;s a loss for the union.  The union represents the minority of teachers who are working the system, the retired, and those abou to retire.

The amount of money the City of New York has is finite. And that is where the union wants it to go.

If the city were to offer free metrocards, that would take money that could be used elsewhere, and thus be &quot;unfair&quot; to those who drive according to the union, who are also probably those with more seniority.

&quot;But wait -- they ALREADY get a benefit while transit riders do not.  Isn&#039;t that unfair?&quot;

Yes to you and me, but not to them.  If they already have it, it is their &quot;right,&quot; to be taken for granted.  That&#039;s why the AFL-CIO split, with the UFT on the wrong side.  If you&#039;ve already got health insurance, what will you pay or give up for everyone to have it?  Nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Sounds like a win-win for both sides.)</p>
<p>No, it's a loss for the union.  The union represents the minority of teachers who are working the system, the retired, and those abou to retire.</p>
<p>The amount of money the City of New York has is finite. And that is where the union wants it to go.</p>
<p>If the city were to offer free metrocards, that would take money that could be used elsewhere, and thus be "unfair" to those who drive according to the union, who are also probably those with more seniority.</p>
<p>"But wait -- they ALREADY get a benefit while transit riders do not.  Isn't that unfair?"</p>
<p>Yes to you and me, but not to them.  If they already have it, it is their "right," to be taken for granted.  That's why the AFL-CIO split, with the UFT on the wrong side.  If you've already got health insurance, what will you pay or give up for everyone to have it?  Nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/16/randi-weingarten-still-doesnt-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-48601</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that what she should be fighting for is free transit cards for teachers; I would believe that Bloomberg would be in favor of such a trade-off since it would reduce the number of cars and placards as well as congestion, and teachers would save money on gas, car repairs and subway fares (give them monthlys so they can use them anytime).  Sounds like a win-win for both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that what she should be fighting for is free transit cards for teachers; I would believe that Bloomberg would be in favor of such a trade-off since it would reduce the number of cars and placards as well as congestion, and teachers would save money on gas, car repairs and subway fares (give them monthlys so they can use them anytime).  Sounds like a win-win for both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: rhubarbpie</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/16/randi-weingarten-still-doesnt-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-48523</link>
		<dc:creator>rhubarbpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh gee -- I&#039;m in the minority. I think Weingarten&#039;s joke was funny. 

(And I&#039;m no fan of the car-lovin&#039; going on at the UFT either, by the way.) 

I thought maybe it was just me, so I read it to a close friend (also a congestion pricing supporter) and she got a big laugh out of it too. 

I&#039;ll send the both of us to re-education camp immediately!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh gee -- I'm in the minority. I think Weingarten's joke was funny. </p>
<p>(And I'm no fan of the car-lovin' going on at the UFT either, by the way.) </p>
<p>I thought maybe it was just me, so I read it to a close friend (also a congestion pricing supporter) and she got a big laugh out of it too. </p>
<p>I'll send the both of us to re-education camp immediately!</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/16/randi-weingarten-still-doesnt-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-48522</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant MORE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant MORE</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/16/randi-weingarten-still-doesnt-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-48521</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry L., don&#039;t be so sure that working for Transit is less physically demanding than teaching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry L., don't be so sure that working for Transit is less physically demanding than teaching.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/16/randi-weingarten-still-doesnt-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-48507</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m for letting city employees have all the parking placards they want -- as long as they pay market value pegged to what the average private parking garage charges. They should also have the option of buying Metrocards at deep discounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm for letting city employees have all the parking placards they want -- as long as they pay market value pegged to what the average private parking garage charges. They should also have the option of buying Metrocards at deep discounts.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/16/randi-weingarten-still-doesnt-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-48505</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(&quot;Is there any union that has ever rejected..&quot; That issue was at least hotly debated within TWU during the last contract go-round.)

The TWU did some good and did some evil.  On the one hand I salute them for rejecting the two-tier contract, and accepting a little sacrifice for everyone instead.

But, regardless of what they said, a strike wasn&#039;t necessary to do this.  They were striking for an even richer pension (20/50), which one of the two at-their-throats factions (New Directions) had promised and either had to get or had to prove it couldn&#039;t be got.  

Unlike teachers, I&#039;m prepared to accept an age 55 retirement for those in physically demanding jobs like many at NYCT.  But having people retier at 50 after 20 years of work and then collect for 30 more -- that&#039;s just not right.  And striking for it was evil.

But, good AND evil is an above average record for the past few decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>("Is there any union that has ever rejected.." That issue was at least hotly debated within TWU during the last contract go-round.)</p>
<p>The TWU did some good and did some evil.  On the one hand I salute them for rejecting the two-tier contract, and accepting a little sacrifice for everyone instead.</p>
<p>But, regardless of what they said, a strike wasn't necessary to do this.  They were striking for an even richer pension (20/50), which one of the two at-their-throats factions (New Directions) had promised and either had to get or had to prove it couldn't be got.  </p>
<p>Unlike teachers, I'm prepared to accept an age 55 retirement for those in physically demanding jobs like many at NYCT.  But having people retier at 50 after 20 years of work and then collect for 30 more -- that's just not right.  And striking for it was evil.</p>
<p>But, good AND evil is an above average record for the past few decades.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ronkonkoma has an LIRR station</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ronkonkoma has an LIRR station</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/16/randi-weingarten-still-doesnt-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-48502</link>
		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Her joke is of a piece with the whiny &quot;another tax on the middle class&quot; attitude that led so many freeloading motorists (many of whom are not-so-middle class) to reject CP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her joke is of a piece with the whiny "another tax on the middle class" attitude that led so many freeloading motorists (many of whom are not-so-middle class) to reject CP.</p>
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		<title>By: Shemp</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/16/randi-weingarten-still-doesnt-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-48499</link>
		<dc:creator>Shemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is there any union that has ever rejected..&quot; 

That issue was at least hotly debated within TWU during the last contract go-round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Is there any union that has ever rejected.." </p>
<p>That issue was at least hotly debated within TWU during the last contract go-round.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/16/randi-weingarten-still-doesnt-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-48495</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(ALL govt employees should be given free public transportation, and be REQUIRED to use it)

Not so easy if you live in Ronkonokoma.

But here is the point -- what is the value of that free parking?  And why do those who carpool or use transit or walk receive lower compensation than those with free parking?  (And why do younger teachers receive lower compensation relative to those who came before?)

Another point -- teacher turnover is bad, because green teachers are bad.  I know lots of NYC teachers, and none of them have left for a job in the suburbs.  Because it would increase their commute.  While those in the suburbs leave as soon as they can.  Because it reduces their commute.

Thus, those living in the city are worth more -- over and above their lower contribution to traffic.  So why aren&#039;t they paid more?

The teachers living outside the city (unlike cops and firefighters) also don&#039;t pay the city tax.  NYC teachers who live here do pay it.  Of course the pensions for those in Florida are tax free.

So the issue here is some teachers and retired teachers vs. other teachers and schoolchildren.

(Just be glad she hasn&#039;t signed some of your important rights away.)

Well, I hope that when the real cost of the pension deal is revealed, at the pay of future teachers is proposed to be cut to $25K to fund it, you&#039;ll vote no.

Is there any union that has every rejected a better deal for those cashing in and moving out at the expense of future hires?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(ALL govt employees should be given free public transportation, and be REQUIRED to use it)</p>
<p>Not so easy if you live in Ronkonokoma.</p>
<p>But here is the point -- what is the value of that free parking?  And why do those who carpool or use transit or walk receive lower compensation than those with free parking?  (And why do younger teachers receive lower compensation relative to those who came before?)</p>
<p>Another point -- teacher turnover is bad, because green teachers are bad.  I know lots of NYC teachers, and none of them have left for a job in the suburbs.  Because it would increase their commute.  While those in the suburbs leave as soon as they can.  Because it reduces their commute.</p>
<p>Thus, those living in the city are worth more -- over and above their lower contribution to traffic.  So why aren't they paid more?</p>
<p>The teachers living outside the city (unlike cops and firefighters) also don't pay the city tax.  NYC teachers who live here do pay it.  Of course the pensions for those in Florida are tax free.</p>
<p>So the issue here is some teachers and retired teachers vs. other teachers and schoolchildren.</p>
<p>(Just be glad she hasn't signed some of your important rights away.)</p>
<p>Well, I hope that when the real cost of the pension deal is revealed, at the pay of future teachers is proposed to be cut to $25K to fund it, you'll vote no.</p>
<p>Is there any union that has every rejected a better deal for those cashing in and moving out at the expense of future hires?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/16/randi-weingarten-still-doesnt-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-48493</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just be glad she hasn&#039;t signed some of your important rights away.  Some of us aren&#039;t so lucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just be glad she hasn't signed some of your important rights away.  Some of us aren't so lucky.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last heard that environmental science is not considered a science by the New York City public school system.

This may explain some of the ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last heard that environmental science is not considered a science by the New York City public school system.</p>
<p>This may explain some of the ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a piece of scum
please leave

ALL govt employees should be given free public transportation, and be REQUIRED to use it

and i know what u mean miss representation, its sickening</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a piece of scum<br />
please leave</p>
<p>ALL govt employees should be given free public transportation, and be REQUIRED to use it</p>
<p>and i know what u mean miss representation, its sickening</p>
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		<title>By: Gregor J. Rothfuss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregor J. Rothfuss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Ms. Weingarten&#039;s ignorance a product of the failed system she represents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Ms. Weingarten's ignorance a product of the failed system she represents?</p>
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		<title>By: miss representation</title>
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		<dc:creator>miss representation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want regular, irrefutable evidence that she is lying, dispatch someone to the Atty street cul de sac just south of Stanton (Mhtn). Every day 12 or so (typically) SUVs back up on the side walk. The cul de sac itself is  no parking zone (NOT Board of Ed parking), so the sidewalk parking is just a bonus.

They all have placards that are clearly photocopied, and most have 2007 expirys (last time I walked by). One or two often park inside what looks like a playground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want regular, irrefutable evidence that she is lying, dispatch someone to the Atty street cul de sac just south of Stanton (Mhtn). Every day 12 or so (typically) SUVs back up on the side walk. The cul de sac itself is  no parking zone (NOT Board of Ed parking), so the sidewalk parking is just a bonus.</p>
<p>They all have placards that are clearly photocopied, and most have 2007 expirys (last time I walked by). One or two often park inside what looks like a playground.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/16/randi-weingarten-still-doesnt-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-48485</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I know a lot of teachers that carpool. Placards for carpoolers first!)

The UFT doesn&#039;t represent teachers who carpool.  It represents teachers who are retired and otherwise not teaching.

At the expense of children and future teachers.  

And this issue is a mere footnote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I know a lot of teachers that carpool. Placards for carpoolers first!)</p>
<p>The UFT doesn't represent teachers who carpool.  It represents teachers who are retired and otherwise not teaching.</p>
<p>At the expense of children and future teachers.  </p>
<p>And this issue is a mere footnote.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She should be fighting for free metrocards as part of the next contract, not more placards. Same for Fire, Police and Sanitation. 

I know a lot of teachers that carpool. Placards for carpoolers first!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She should be fighting for free metrocards as part of the next contract, not more placards. Same for Fire, Police and Sanitation. </p>
<p>I know a lot of teachers that carpool. Placards for carpoolers first!</p>
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