Here’s one:

Horse drawn carriages the horses Must be well cared for and can not drive within peak times of the day unless in specified area’s due to the fact that accidents between carriages and cars have happened and have killed many people and horses a like. Motorists must stay out of or away from these lanes made specially for these carriages or they will be fined and have there license removed. Horse drawn carriages can not use any other lanes than the ones made specially for them or they will face a fine and have there license removed for failure to follow that simple rule.

That would solve that issue plain and clear, cars stay away from the carriage lane, carriages stay away from the cars lane there nice and simple

other things that have been in place are motorists must be in control of there motor vehicle at all times. This should go for horse drawn carriages as well. There is a leash law yet one incident involving a horse drawn carriage and a dog no one said if the dog was on a leash, if it was why did the owner of the dog not keep the animal near him or her and why did they bring it near the horse? (common sense here with that one)

Just trying to figure out since it’s mostly car congestion and a horse drawn carriage is hit by a car then if that’s the case which it is on everyone i have read in accidents why not take away the cause which is “The car?” here is why because if we take away the car then who gets to work? ok so lets take away the carriage cant do that either because people use it for work. Well then since we cant do either and it’s really none of the governments business no offense governor. If we start now bothering our government officials with petty arguments over who is right who is wrong when will they have the time to actually do things we need done, Sorry but congestion is a fact of life in a big city with lots of motor vehicle traffic. You cant help that unless you move so might as well get used to that idea it wont change unless everyone but a few hundred move away and that will never happen.

So here’s the plan lets make the fines a little steeper for those breaking these two items i set above.

1. cars stay out of the carriage’s only lane
2. carriages stay out of the cars only lane
3. operators of each YOU need to be aware of your surroundings
4. do not pass each other STAY in YOUR own lanes!
5. you MUST be in control of you vehicle (carriage) at ALL times.
6. Maintain your vehicle (carriage with or without horse)!

and lets all try and get along were going to be here on this earth for a very long long time lets not nit pick now. Lets try and get along. people and animals were here before car’s and trucks and bicycles. We need to learn tolerance as well as to use common sense. It’s all i am asking please stop blaming others. If you aren’t the cause of the solution to the problem which is congestion in general and are blaming others for it, then you are the cause of the problem.

This is our history we are the ones who make the world go round we are the ones who show are children the right from wrong. We all need to start taking responsibility for our actions and stop playing the blame game.

We indeed have horse drawn carriages still running here and it’s a shame that some owners/riders do not know how to care for these beautiful animals.

a few tips everyone can agree on is:

fresh water
Food
Shade
Of course the heat being bad some relief for the horse is nice too.

a blanket (encase it is chilly)

Blinders are good to keep the horse focused
training for the horse as well so it doesn’t startle easy

Training for the driver if it’s a carriage drawn horse.

there are a lot of things we can do ourselves to make the carriages safer as well. Like when seeing one don’t blow your horn, or ride to close, always be watching where you are driving so you don’t hit the carriages. that also goes for the drivers of carriages if your slow please go only where you are supposed to go unless of course it is your transportation then for goodness sake use some common sense to keep yourself safe.

I personally have a few friends who use horse drawn carriage and there amazing to ride in they use common sense and always make sure there horses are well cared for. But with anything car, horse, person a lot of times you see people who don’t use common sense and get hurt, or don’t watch what there doing. It’s not a thing to be government and say lets ban this or that because we feel it’s bad or wrong like you would a child taking a toy away from them when they do something wrong. No you should however blame the parties involved for there lack of common sense. And lets surely not sit there and take it out on everyone who haven’t done a thing wrong.

In the United States, the list is growing constantly as people and municipalities become educated about the cruelty in the industry. The list of cities that have banned horse-drawn carriages includes Kenneth City, Key West, Deerfield Beach, Palm Beach, Panama City Beach, Pompano Beach, and Treasure Island. Biloxi, Mississippi banned them, as did Las Vegas and Reno, Nevada. In South Carolina, Broadway at the Beach banned this archaic industry, as did Camden, New Jersey and Virginia Beach, Virginia.

You may not consider Camden, NJ, a major city but London, Toronto, and Paris surely are.

Congestion pricing failed not because it was a bad idea or a bad vision, it failed because it was a bill that was shot full of gaping wide holes on so many levels, and Bloomberg was trying to shove it down NYC’s throat in an unethical and questionably illegal manner. Weisenberg’s letter touches on most of the significant points of why this tax bill was shot down, and that’s why I posted it. If you want to back and support a bill that’s shotty, then that’s your business.

Right after the congestion taxing bill was shot down, I was in a conference call with my councilmember and other activists to see what concessions were made – and believe me, there were tons of concessions made for NYC councilmembers to get them to vote pro-price; a significant portion of the concessions were not even related to congestion pricing itself! That may be Bloomberg’s way of doing business, but it’s no way to run NYC!

Manhattan Downtowner: Enjoy that Nassau County motor vehicle traffic rumbling over the free Manhattan Bridge and clogging up Canal Street on its way to the free, west-bound Holland Tunnel. Those are Mr. Weisenberg’s constituents driving through our neighborhoods, filling our air with the sound of horn honking and the stench of tailpipe excretion.

Dear M. XXXX:

I have received your letter regarding congestion pricing. After much
debate, this controversial issue has concluded, with the state
legislature declining to act on this measure. While the issue was
pending, I received hundred of e-mails, phone calls and letters both
supporting and opposing the initiative.

In order to clarify my position, I would like to share the following
observations of events as they unfolded in Albany, leading to my
opposition to a plan that I believe was fiscally unsound, ethically
questionable and legally problematic:

· The absence of environmental impact review of the plan, as mandated by
current law under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, which
requires review before an action. The City of New York, who have become
experts at avoiding environmental reviews like this, planned to adhere
to SEQRA after its implementation

· Ethically questionable political tactics by Bloomberg supporters who
attempted to exploit environmental groups to sway legislators through
political contributions and intimidation. Simply put, my vote is not for
sale to the highest bidder. It already belongs to the people of the
20^th Assembly District, the majority of who oppose this plan.

· A New York City official was ticketed in transit to Albany for using a
city vehicle with lights and sirens and excessive speed in order to
lobby for congestion pricing, a fine example of the lengths Mayor
Bloomberg will go to flex his muscle.

· The plan was widely touted to be a 3 year pilot, but 30 year bonds
were built into the plan, which closed the doors of opportunity to
revisit the issue, even if things went awry upon implementation.

· According to our state’s fiscal experts, the MTA was under funded by
$14 billion in the plan. When has the MTA kept their promises, even when
funded adequately?

· Once approved, the cost to commuters would have automatically and
steeply increased, again with no opportunity to revisit.

· When taken as a whole, the City of New York wanted Long Island to pay,
but not New Jersey.

As a staunch environmentalist who has received ratings of A+ from our
state’s environmental groups on my earlier votes, congestion pricing
proved to be a difficult issue to grapple with as a legislator. I know
that many people are happy with my decision and some are not. Sadly, as
the situation unfolded, the issue was no longer about congestion
pricing, tolls, or even the environment. It became an issue of power,
money, greed and politics at its worst. As a state leader, I believe we
can do better.

Thank you for taking the time to contact me to share your views.

Sincerely,

Harvey Weisenberg

Member of Assembly

Not so bicycle riding. Lappin’s flip is as a result of this — with CP dead, drivers are satisfied, so you have to be more afraid of non-drivers — especially as the MTA budget problems intensify.

Walking and biking costs little in the way of public money, however, so it’s a cheap way to placate Streetsbloggers. Hence Plan B.

This whole debate has changed my mind. So others as well. If I’m paying as much per person as drivers for scarce space, how about giving me my share of it?

-GR

Thanks Charles. Good point.

Michael Bloomberg, Jessica Lappin have done their bit for congestion pricing and certainly are seen as strong citizen centric officials.

But hey, just singing in the choir does not make you Pavarotti. I think it is a systemic failure by each and every individual who is at the helm of things and could have made a positive impact on citizens.

Very sad! We seem to be our greatest enemy!!!