Comments on: Today’s Headlines http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:05:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Josh http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/comment-page-1/#comment-48323 Josh Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:52:14 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/#comment-48323 Agreed, JMC. At least as far as money and numbers go, Bloomberg is as good as anyone else we've got. Agreed, JMC. At least as far as money and numbers go, Bloomberg is as good as anyone else we've got.

]]> By: Larry Littlefield http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/comment-page-1/#comment-48258 Larry Littlefield Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:30:24 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/#comment-48258 (Refuse to do anything at all to help the MTA because one proposal was shot down? That would rightly be interpreted as a childish temper tantrum.) Hey Spud, don't you agree that Bloomberg is an out of touch billionaire and Quinn hates the middle class? Would you really expect them to make proposal after proposal, and have Weiner, Brodsky, Silver et. all go running to whoever would have to pay and say they are on their side? Let them shut up and work and Plan B. Weiner, Brodsky, Fidler, Silver et. al say they have their own Plan B for MTA funding. Let them propose it. (Refuse to do anything at all to help the MTA because one proposal was shot down? That would rightly be interpreted as a childish temper tantrum.)

Hey Spud, don't you agree that Bloomberg is an out of touch billionaire and Quinn hates the middle class? Would you really expect them to make proposal after proposal, and have Weiner, Brodsky, Silver et. all go running to whoever would have to pay and say they are on their side?

Let them shut up and work and Plan B.

Weiner, Brodsky, Fidler, Silver et. al say they have their own Plan B for MTA funding. Let them propose it.

]]> By: jmc http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/comment-page-1/#comment-48250 jmc Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:10:56 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/#comment-48250 LL -- Bloomberg is a billionaire but he's not out of touch. He's probably the only person in the entire state government who is concerned with future budget deficits! LL -- Bloomberg is a billionaire but he's not out of touch. He's probably the only person in the entire state government who is concerned with future budget deficits!

]]> By: Doc Barnett http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/comment-page-1/#comment-48248 Doc Barnett Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:05:10 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/#comment-48248 "I promise to do Doc's laundry for a year." That would leave me more time to get baited into other people's arguments! "I promise to do Doc's laundry for a year."

That would leave me more time to get baited into other people's arguments!

]]> By: Spud Spudly http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/comment-page-1/#comment-48234 Spud Spudly Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:50:04 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/#comment-48234 With your perfect political tone deafness on this issue LL you should really get a job with Bloomberg's Albany legislative affairs office. Refuse to do anything at all to help the MTA because one proposal was shot down? That would rightly be interpreted as a childish temper tantrum. If even one politician adopts that posture I promise to do Doc's laundry for a year. By hand in front of a fire hydrant with a bar of soap. As for your "Plan B," I support that. I should, because it's exactly what I said to you here on Streetsblog Tuesday after CP went down: http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/07/its-apparently-official-congestion-pricing-is-dead/#comment-47863 With your perfect political tone deafness on this issue LL you should really get a job with Bloomberg's Albany legislative affairs office.

Refuse to do anything at all to help the MTA because one proposal was shot down? That would rightly be interpreted as a childish temper tantrum. If even one politician adopts that posture I promise to do Doc's laundry for a year. By hand in front of a fire hydrant with a bar of soap.

As for your "Plan B," I support that. I should, because it's exactly what I said to you here on Streetsblog Tuesday after CP went down:

http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/07/its-apparently-official-congestion-pricing-is-dead/#comment-47863

]]> By: Mark http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/comment-page-1/#comment-48224 Mark Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:18:00 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/#comment-48224 Larry, that's your best summation of the situation yet. In other news: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7449550" rel="nofollow">Oil hits $112 a barrel.</a> Larry, that's your best summation of the situation yet.

In other news:

Oil hits $112 a barrel.

]]> By: Larry Littlefield http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/comment-page-1/#comment-48215 Larry Littlefield Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:38:36 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/#comment-48215 (Should we see the post-congestion-pricing debate as a high school popularity contest? Or should we see it as a debate about reducing congestion and funding transit?) We should push "Plan B" -- reduce congestion by taking space away from the automobile. That is hand out benefits -- less traffic in YOUR neighborhood, nicer environment in YOUR neighborhoods. Make the legislators oppose that. And let someone else hand out pain -- paying for something, paying more for something, accept less for what yoiu pay. (Should we see the post-congestion-pricing debate as a high school popularity contest? Or should we see it as a debate about reducing congestion and funding transit?)

We should push "Plan B" -- reduce congestion by taking space away from the automobile. That is hand out benefits -- less traffic in YOUR neighborhood, nicer environment in YOUR neighborhoods. Make the legislators oppose that.

And let someone else hand out pain -- paying for something, paying more for something, accept less for what yoiu pay.

]]> By: Mark http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/comment-page-1/#comment-48204 Mark Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:07:46 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/#comment-48204 Should we see the post-congestion-pricing debate as a high school popularity contest? Or should we see it as a debate about reducing congestion and funding transit? Should we see the post-congestion-pricing debate as a high school popularity contest? Or should we see it as a debate about reducing congestion and funding transit?

]]> By: Larry Littlefield http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/comment-page-1/#comment-48194 Larry Littlefield Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:28:06 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/#comment-48194 Sorry Spud, but that's not the way it is. Who is responsible for solving the MTA's funding problems? Should out of touch billionaire Bloomberg be proposing fare hikes, service cuts and taxes? Should Christine Quinn? They should keep their mouth shut IMHO. The "blue ribbon commission" is likely to bring back something like CP, among other things, and where does that leave us? Nope, people here should focus on Plan B, and we have already had our fare increase. Sorry Spud, but that's not the way it is. Who is responsible for solving the MTA's funding problems?

Should out of touch billionaire Bloomberg be proposing fare hikes, service cuts and taxes? Should Christine Quinn? They should keep their mouth shut IMHO.

The "blue ribbon commission" is likely to bring back something like CP, among other things, and where does that leave us?

Nope, people here should focus on Plan B, and we have already had our fare increase.

]]> By: Spud Spudly http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/comment-page-1/#comment-48190 Spud Spudly Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:07:16 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/#comment-48190 That will make them look like inflexible and stubborn petulant children who thought that CP would solve everything when it wouldn't. There was still going to be a large deficit even if CP passed. Would they have stopped working to solve the MTA's money problems if they had gotten their way? It would just look like a temper tantrum. That will make them look like inflexible and stubborn petulant children who thought that CP would solve everything when it wouldn't. There was still going to be a large deficit even if CP passed. Would they have stopped working to solve the MTA's money problems if they had gotten their way? It would just look like a temper tantrum.

]]> By: bobob http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/comment-page-1/#comment-48188 bobob Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:15:52 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/#comment-48188 Larry, I like your idea. Larry, I like your idea.

]]> By: Larry Littlefield http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/comment-page-1/#comment-48186 Larry Littlefield Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:56:55 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/#comment-48186 Here's a priceless link. http://gowanuslounge.blogspot.com/2008/04/take-charge-boerum-hill-school-changes.html The revenge for daring to even suggest CP has begun. My view -- none of the CP proponents should make any attempt to solve the financial problems of the MTA, allowing Silver and the boys to sit back, object, and demand concessions. They instead should demand that Silver and the boys, along with Anthony Weiner, solve the problem -- objecting to any and all sacrifices and pointing out that they are ones responsible for fare increases, service cuts, etc. Here's a priceless link.

http://gowanuslounge.blogspot.com/2008/04/take-charge-boerum-hill-school-changes.html

The revenge for daring to even suggest CP has begun.

My view -- none of the CP proponents should make any attempt to solve the financial problems of the MTA, allowing Silver and the boys to sit back, object, and demand concessions.

They instead should demand that Silver and the boys, along with Anthony Weiner, solve the problem -- objecting to any and all sacrifices and pointing out that they are ones responsible for fare increases, service cuts, etc.

]]> By: Glenn http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/comment-page-1/#comment-48185 Glenn Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:42:30 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/#comment-48185 If CP were to make a comeback, here's a potential scenario: - Other potential MTA fundraising ideas are shot down (i.e. like the millionaire tax) or not enough (MTA announces need for fare increase) - It would have to be driven by a top Democrat with good legislative connections (i.e. Paterson) - There would have to again be some sweetener from the Feds to build some infrastructure ahead of implementation (maybe this is what the FTA guy is saying) - Transit financing becomes a major issue in the fall elections for Assembly and Senate (let's get to work) If CP were to make a comeback, here's a potential scenario:

- Other potential MTA fundraising ideas are shot down (i.e. like the millionaire tax) or not enough (MTA announces need for fare increase)

- It would have to be driven by a top Democrat with good legislative connections (i.e. Paterson)

- There would have to again be some sweetener from the Feds to build some infrastructure ahead of implementation (maybe this is what the FTA guy is saying)

- Transit financing becomes a major issue in the fall elections for Assembly and Senate (let's get to work)

]]> By: bobob http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/comment-page-1/#comment-48184 bobob Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:28:48 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/11/todays-headlines-380/#comment-48184 so is it me, or are the fed telling us that they wouldn't mind if the congestion pricing bill passed even after the deadline? so is it me, or are the fed telling us that they wouldn't mind if the congestion pricing bill passed even after the deadline?

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