<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Queens Pricing Opponent Is Right: $8 Is Crazy</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/</link>
	<description>Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:07:00 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Christopher Crowe</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-48172</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Crowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-48172</guid>
		<description>&quot;Drivers who take an East River bridge would have to pay the $8 congestion fee when they reach Manhattan, even if they&#039;re just passing through on their way to somewhere else.&quot;

Am I the only one who thinks that it&#039;s COMPLETELY INSANE to drive through Manhattan if you&#039;re on your way somewhere else? I mean, it&#039;s only one of the most densely inhabited, most congested plots of land on the planet. It&#039;s definitely a destination and not a thruway. My advice: find an alternate route. And if it&#039;s still worth it to you to plow on through the heart of the city, pay your fair share for the privilege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Drivers who take an East River bridge would have to pay the $8 congestion fee when they reach Manhattan, even if they&#8217;re just passing through on their way to somewhere else.&#8221;</p>
<p>Am I the only one who thinks that it&#8217;s COMPLETELY INSANE to drive through Manhattan if you&#8217;re on your way somewhere else? I mean, it&#8217;s only one of the most densely inhabited, most congested plots of land on the planet. It&#8217;s definitely a destination and not a thruway. My advice: find an alternate route. And if it&#8217;s still worth it to you to plow on through the heart of the city, pay your fair share for the privilege.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Hilary</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47456</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47456</guid>
		<description>And to return to Dinowitz. He may be right that the toll offset will draw traffic from the free Broadway Bridge to the Henry Hudson Bridge -- but I still support CP because I also know that the goal has to be to reduce OVERALL traffic. Redistributing the incentives can solve local bottlenecks, but that&#039;s still thinking in terms of moving vehicles.  Likewise, opening the parkways to trucks just expands the capacity for them (and degrades a resource with far greater potential for alternative transportation) while doing nothing to reduce them. It is, therefore, a shrunken vision, and not worthy of either Transportation Alternatives or the current DOT, in which we invest much hope for reshaping New York&#039;s future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to return to Dinowitz. He may be right that the toll offset will draw traffic from the free Broadway Bridge to the Henry Hudson Bridge &#8212; but I still support CP because I also know that the goal has to be to reduce OVERALL traffic. Redistributing the incentives can solve local bottlenecks, but that&#8217;s still thinking in terms of moving vehicles.  Likewise, opening the parkways to trucks just expands the capacity for them (and degrades a resource with far greater potential for alternative transportation) while doing nothing to reduce them. It is, therefore, a shrunken vision, and not worthy of either Transportation Alternatives or the current DOT, in which we invest much hope for reshaping New York&#8217;s future.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Hilary</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47455</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47455</guid>
		<description>Konrad said, &quot;It&#039;s not really a greenway if its full of automobiles.&quot; 
The parkways include the parks they run through. They are not the curb-to-curb roadside. They include many greenways already (Hudson River Greenway and Shore Parkway for starters) and can host many more of the long-distance, separated, limited-access routes that would make New York as bike-commutable as, say, Washington, D.C.  If you&#039;re saying they include too many automobiles, you&#039;re absolutely right. That&#039;s why we want to tilt back the balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Konrad said, &#8220;It&#8217;s not really a greenway if its full of automobiles.&#8221;<br />
The parkways include the parks they run through. They are not the curb-to-curb roadside. They include many greenways already (Hudson River Greenway and Shore Parkway for starters) and can host many more of the long-distance, separated, limited-access routes that would make New York as bike-commutable as, say, Washington, D.C.  If you&#8217;re saying they include too many automobiles, you&#8217;re absolutely right. That&#8217;s why we want to tilt back the balance.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Konrad</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47450</link>
		<dc:creator>Konrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47450</guid>
		<description>It&#039;s not really a greenway if its full of automobiles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not really a greenway if its full of automobiles.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Hilary</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47425</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47425</guid>
		<description>Mr. Region 11 says,&quot;The Henry Hudson Parkway is a state-owned highway. Not the city&#039;s job.&quot;

The parkway is co-owned by NYC Parks and NYS DOT, but maintained by City DOT. The pedestrian and vehicular streets are owned by City DOT. (For people interested in the complex jurisdiction of parkways, see the study by Sam Schartz posted on www.riverdalenature.org). The Scenic Byway program is part of State DOT, but Comall agencies with jurisdiction must cooperate on a corridor management plan in order to make the nomination. All of the parties were on board, NYMTC had secured the funding, and then halfway through the process, the wall collapsed and City DOT called for a halt. The ball is in City DOT&#039;s court, and, as I said earlier, it is baffling why they would decline the opportunity to a) take advantage of a new source of federal funding for landscaping and greenways, b) gain a cooperative partner in the state, c) secure the only real tool for controlling billboards, and d) nurture a private partnership like the Central Park Conservancy (or Bronx River Parkway Conservancy, Merritt Parkway Conservancy.)

All of the city council members in the parkway corridor (Brewer, Dickens, Jackson, Koppell) supported congestion pricing. The state representatives are wobbly.

Come on, DOT, throw them a bone! Show them  that the main arterial through their parks and neighborhoods will not only be less congested, but more scenic and with the most beautiful greenway in the city, leading all the way up to Albany!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Region 11 says,&#8221;The Henry Hudson Parkway is a state-owned highway. Not the city&#8217;s job.&#8221;</p>
<p>The parkway is co-owned by NYC Parks and NYS DOT, but maintained by City DOT. The pedestrian and vehicular streets are owned by City DOT. (For people interested in the complex jurisdiction of parkways, see the study by Sam Schartz posted on <a href="http://www.riverdalenature.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.riverdalenature.org</a>). The Scenic Byway program is part of State DOT, but Comall agencies with jurisdiction must cooperate on a corridor management plan in order to make the nomination. All of the parties were on board, NYMTC had secured the funding, and then halfway through the process, the wall collapsed and City DOT called for a halt. The ball is in City DOT&#8217;s court, and, as I said earlier, it is baffling why they would decline the opportunity to a) take advantage of a new source of federal funding for landscaping and greenways, b) gain a cooperative partner in the state, c) secure the only real tool for controlling billboards, and d) nurture a private partnership like the Central Park Conservancy (or Bronx River Parkway Conservancy, Merritt Parkway Conservancy.)</p>
<p>All of the city council members in the parkway corridor (Brewer, Dickens, Jackson, Koppell) supported congestion pricing. The state representatives are wobbly.</p>
<p>Come on, DOT, throw them a bone! Show them  that the main arterial through their parks and neighborhoods will not only be less congested, but more scenic and with the most beautiful greenway in the city, leading all the way up to Albany!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: gecko</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47422</link>
		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47422</guid>
		<description>Yes, and the dollar value of the services provided by the Earth&#039;s natural systems has been calculated to be $30 trillion an absurdly low number since these services are crucial to life.

In any case, I don&#039;t think if we were talking about congestion pricing for bicycles and electric bikes the discussion would go very far unless the riders continuously eat massive amounts of onions, garlic, and beans.

Probably, most importantly, congestion pricing is a great example of how quality of life can be greatly improved while reducing emissions and a key strategy for mitigating a daunting crisis.

That the quality of life improvement is many times greater than the emissions benefit makes it all the more important in disrupting wasteful business as usual practices much for the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and the dollar value of the services provided by the Earth&#8217;s natural systems has been calculated to be $30 trillion an absurdly low number since these services are crucial to life.</p>
<p>In any case, I don&#8217;t think if we were talking about congestion pricing for bicycles and electric bikes the discussion would go very far unless the riders continuously eat massive amounts of onions, garlic, and beans.</p>
<p>Probably, most importantly, congestion pricing is a great example of how quality of life can be greatly improved while reducing emissions and a key strategy for mitigating a daunting crisis.</p>
<p>That the quality of life improvement is many times greater than the emissions benefit makes it all the more important in disrupting wasteful business as usual practices much for the better.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Konrad</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47418</link>
		<dc:creator>Konrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47418</guid>
		<description>Larry,

I brought up that exact issue with Dinowitz last year and he got offended at the suggestion that this is a class issue.

As long as affluent Riverdale drivers want to drive through working class Kingsbridge to take the free bridge into Manhattan, no problem.  But once CP kicks in and the Henry Hudson toll is no longer a disincentive, more people will drive through Riverdale instead of going through Kingsbridge.  

Something about correcting an unjust situation (wealthy people using the free bridge further away instead of paying to use the local tolled bridge) to improve the quality of life for the working class really ticked him off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry,</p>
<p>I brought up that exact issue with Dinowitz last year and he got offended at the suggestion that this is a class issue.</p>
<p>As long as affluent Riverdale drivers want to drive through working class Kingsbridge to take the free bridge into Manhattan, no problem.  But once CP kicks in and the Henry Hudson toll is no longer a disincentive, more people will drive through Riverdale instead of going through Kingsbridge.  </p>
<p>Something about correcting an unjust situation (wealthy people using the free bridge further away instead of paying to use the local tolled bridge) to improve the quality of life for the working class really ticked him off.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Charles Komanoff</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47417</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Komanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47417</guid>
		<description>Gecko -- glad to explicate. 

In the Kheel Plan report, we &quot;monetized&quot; (put a dollar value on) all of the main categories of benefits from reduced traffic: less carbon pollution, less air pollution, less noise pollution, less time stuck in traffic, fewer crashes, more physical activity (bike/walk). By our calculus, the time savings came to $3.9 billion a year, while the carbon reductions were &quot;worth&quot; only $40 million -- there&#039;s my 100-to-1.

The Commission&#039;s plan would show different numbers, but it&#039;s highly likely that the *ratios* would be similar.

It&#039;s true that &quot;judgment&quot; entered into the calculus -- judgment about the value of time, the value of carbon reductions, etc. etc. Our assumptions are summarized in the report and are laid out in edifying/stultifying detail in the BTA spreadsheet (Cost-Benefit tab). Take a look!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gecko &#8212; glad to explicate. </p>
<p>In the Kheel Plan report, we &#8220;monetized&#8221; (put a dollar value on) all of the main categories of benefits from reduced traffic: less carbon pollution, less air pollution, less noise pollution, less time stuck in traffic, fewer crashes, more physical activity (bike/walk). By our calculus, the time savings came to $3.9 billion a year, while the carbon reductions were &#8220;worth&#8221; only $40 million &#8212; there&#8217;s my 100-to-1.</p>
<p>The Commission&#8217;s plan would show different numbers, but it&#8217;s highly likely that the *ratios* would be similar.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that &#8220;judgment&#8221; entered into the calculus &#8212; judgment about the value of time, the value of carbon reductions, etc. etc. Our assumptions are summarized in the report and are laid out in edifying/stultifying detail in the BTA spreadsheet (Cost-Benefit tab). Take a look!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: gecko</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47416</link>
		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47416</guid>
		<description>Charles,  Not sure I understand.  Just seems that if the time savings are 100-fold so is the CO2 emissions benefit 100-fold which some may perceive as a moral issue.

Further, in many instances time savings directly translates not only to dollars but also emissions such as for taxi drivers and truck drivers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,  Not sure I understand.  Just seems that if the time savings are 100-fold so is the CO2 emissions benefit 100-fold which some may perceive as a moral issue.</p>
<p>Further, in many instances time savings directly translates not only to dollars but also emissions such as for taxi drivers and truck drivers.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Charles Komanoff</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47405</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Komanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47405</guid>
		<description>Gecko -- before you go out any further on the CO2 angle, consider that the CO2-reduction benefits of c.p. are outweighed 100-fold by the time-saving benefits to drivers. No exaggeration. See Kheel Plan report, pp 30-31. It&#039;s not that the climate benefit is puny, it&#039;s that the time-saving benefit is humongous. As James CARville (love that name!) might have said, &quot;It&#039;s not the tailpipes, stupid, it&#039;s the gridlock.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gecko &#8212; before you go out any further on the CO2 angle, consider that the CO2-reduction benefits of c.p. are outweighed 100-fold by the time-saving benefits to drivers. No exaggeration. See Kheel Plan report, pp 30-31. It&#8217;s not that the climate benefit is puny, it&#8217;s that the time-saving benefit is humongous. As James CARville (love that name!) might have said, &#8220;It&#8217;s not the tailpipes, stupid, it&#8217;s the gridlock.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: gecko</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47403</link>
		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47403</guid>
		<description>Better yet, present a proposal to the likes of Google, IBM, Microsoft, etc. for local monitoring systems and realtime spreadsheets displayed globally detailing the amount of CO2 wasteful transportation practices continuously dump into our air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better yet, present a proposal to the likes of Google, IBM, Microsoft, etc. for local monitoring systems and realtime spreadsheets displayed globally detailing the amount of CO2 wasteful transportation practices continuously dump into our air.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Spud Spudly</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47397</link>
		<dc:creator>Spud Spudly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47397</guid>
		<description>I was thinking that as well fdr.  Normally you wait until the sucker signs on the dotted line before you drop the other shoe (or whatever mixed metaphors are appropriate to say that Charles is speaking too soon for his own good).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking that as well fdr.  Normally you wait until the sucker signs on the dotted line before you drop the other shoe (or whatever mixed metaphors are appropriate to say that Charles is speaking too soon for his own good).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Charles Komanoff</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47395</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Komanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47395</guid>
		<description>Hey fdr, isn&#039;t S&#039;blog &quot;public&quot;?

And in January, I led the Kheel team in publicizing the idea of a $16 toll (charged 24-7, not 12-5) bankrolling free buses and subways. So, been there, doomed that.

But I love the idea that my going public with *anything* pertaining to congestion pricing could be the end of it. That power ain&#039;t available to me.

Seriously ... if any S&#039;bloggers want to look at my numbers (which I *would* love), download the BTA spreadsheet from the Kheel link in my post, go to the Summary tab, navigate to Policy Choices (row 15), and input these values in the blue column: #1 (cordon fee), $2.07; #3 (truck fee multiple), 1.75; the number zero for #4, #5 and #6; the number 100% for #7 and #8. This should result in Cell K32 outputting as &quot;(10,000)&quot;, denoting 10,000 more daily car trips. Now go to the cost-Benefit tab. Cells H71 and H91 should each output as negative $70 million, denoting $140 million in increased time costs due to the 10,000 additional car trips. Voila!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey fdr, isn&#8217;t S&#8217;blog &#8220;public&#8221;?</p>
<p>And in January, I led the Kheel team in publicizing the idea of a $16 toll (charged 24-7, not 12-5) bankrolling free buses and subways. So, been there, doomed that.</p>
<p>But I love the idea that my going public with *anything* pertaining to congestion pricing could be the end of it. That power ain&#8217;t available to me.</p>
<p>Seriously &#8230; if any S&#8217;bloggers want to look at my numbers (which I *would* love), download the BTA spreadsheet from the Kheel link in my post, go to the Summary tab, navigate to Policy Choices (row 15), and input these values in the blue column: #1 (cordon fee), $2.07; #3 (truck fee multiple), 1.75; the number zero for #4, #5 and #6; the number 100% for #7 and #8. This should result in Cell K32 outputting as &#8220;(10,000)&#8221;, denoting 10,000 more daily car trips. Now go to the cost-Benefit tab. Cells H71 and H91 should each output as negative $70 million, denoting $140 million in increased time costs due to the 10,000 additional car trips. Voila!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: gecko</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47391</link>
		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47391</guid>
		<description>Estimated excess 1000s of pounds of CO2 could also be included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Estimated excess 1000s of pounds of CO2 could also be included.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: fdr</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47389</link>
		<dc:creator>fdr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47389</guid>
		<description>Charley, I dare you to go public that the fee should be $40. That will be the end of CP forever. LA Times today has an article on Ken Livingstone&#039;s latest plan to raise the fee in London on high polluting vehicles to $50.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charley, I dare you to go public that the fee should be $40. That will be the end of CP forever. LA Times today has an article on Ken Livingstone&#8217;s latest plan to raise the fee in London on high polluting vehicles to $50.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Spud Spudly</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47387</link>
		<dc:creator>Spud Spudly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47387</guid>
		<description>More likely gecko is that they&#039;ll think about the 600 vehicles in front of them and think they&#039;re being delayed by an hour themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More likely gecko is that they&#8217;ll think about the 600 vehicles in front of them and think they&#8217;re being delayed by an hour themselves.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Doc Barnett</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47382</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47382</guid>
		<description>I don&#039;t think so Jan. Mass transit tends to avoid the kinds of queues that plague personal auto traffic, because it moves thousands of people at a time without one causing delay to another. Only on fully packed lines do you start to see that it&#039;s-me-or-you logic, and that&#039;s also where everything starts to fall apart. People hold doors and trains run much more slowly than they should. We could fine door holders and door standers $40, but I&#039;ll trot out my hypothesis that accurate, automated arrival information for the next train at a platform would alleviate the problem mostly humanely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think so Jan. Mass transit tends to avoid the kinds of queues that plague personal auto traffic, because it moves thousands of people at a time without one causing delay to another. Only on fully packed lines do you start to see that it&#8217;s-me-or-you logic, and that&#8217;s also where everything starts to fall apart. People hold doors and trains run much more slowly than they should. We could fine door holders and door standers $40, but I&#8217;ll trot out my hypothesis that accurate, automated arrival information for the next train at a platform would alleviate the problem mostly humanely.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: gecko</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47379</link>
		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47379</guid>
		<description>Expanding on Charles Komanoff&#039;s great idea and Queensboro example there might be significant impact on congestion having realtime signs based on his calculations and suitably placed automatic counters for all entering vehicles something to the effect: 

&quot;Your vehicle will slowdown the 600 vehicles behind you by 6 seconds equivalent to 3,600 total delay seconds and 1.0 hours of lost time.&quot;

This way people will see their direct effect on current traffic and hopefully act accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expanding on Charles Komanoff&#8217;s great idea and Queensboro example there might be significant impact on congestion having realtime signs based on his calculations and suitably placed automatic counters for all entering vehicles something to the effect: </p>
<p>&#8220;Your vehicle will slowdown the 600 vehicles behind you by 6 seconds equivalent to 3,600 total delay seconds and 1.0 hours of lost time.&#8221;</p>
<p>This way people will see their direct effect on current traffic and hopefully act accordingly.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dufus</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47369</link>
		<dc:creator>Dufus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47369</guid>
		<description>Poor downtrodden Riverdale!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor downtrodden Riverdale!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mr. Region 11</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-47364</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Region 11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/04/03/queens-pricing-opponent-is-right-8-is-crazy/#comment-47364</guid>
		<description>&quot;It is baffling why the city will not take advantage of the opportunity to use scenic byway status to garner new federal funding to do this&quot;

The Henry Hudson Parkway is a state-owned highway.  Not the city&#039;s job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is baffling why the city will not take advantage of the opportunity to use scenic byway status to garner new federal funding to do this&#8221;</p>
<p>The Henry Hudson Parkway is a state-owned highway.  Not the city&#8217;s job.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

