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	<title>Comments on: Assembly Member Kellner Comes Around on Pricing</title>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/03/26/assembly-member-kellner-comes-around-on-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-46760</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(If I were a Martian reading this blog my main question would be: Why are there no hospitals on earth except from South Ferry to 60th Street on tiny little Manhattan Island?)

Damn good question.

Back when we were doing it ourselves, I was amazed how many would-be parents were choosing to have their babies in Manhattan.  I wouldn&#039;t have wanted that long a trip under the circumstances.  Every now and then, one would end up giving birth stuck in traffic on a bridge (something congestion pricing would help!)  It is as if my fellow 718ers thought giving birth in Manhattan would confer Manhattan citizenship on their child.

Basically, all the outer-borough hospitals are now partnered with the big Manhattan ones.  The need to travel to the CBD for health care should be limited to very rare and specific services.

One possible issue here -- the hospitals in bedpan alley around Stuyvesant Square could be worried about losing business to those above 96th Street, among those who MUST drive and WON&#039;T pay.  How many such people are there, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(If I were a Martian reading this blog my main question would be: Why are there no hospitals on earth except from South Ferry to 60th Street on tiny little Manhattan Island?)</p>
<p>Damn good question.</p>
<p>Back when we were doing it ourselves, I was amazed how many would-be parents were choosing to have their babies in Manhattan.  I wouldn't have wanted that long a trip under the circumstances.  Every now and then, one would end up giving birth stuck in traffic on a bridge (something congestion pricing would help!)  It is as if my fellow 718ers thought giving birth in Manhattan would confer Manhattan citizenship on their child.</p>
<p>Basically, all the outer-borough hospitals are now partnered with the big Manhattan ones.  The need to travel to the CBD for health care should be limited to very rare and specific services.</p>
<p>One possible issue here -- the hospitals in bedpan alley around Stuyvesant Square could be worried about losing business to those above 96th Street, among those who MUST drive and WON'T pay.  How many such people are there, however.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/03/26/assembly-member-kellner-comes-around-on-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-46738</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Refresh my memory...Did he double park for three hours while she was having the treatment?? The press reports made it sound like a simple pick up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refresh my memory...Did he double park for three hours while she was having the treatment?? The press reports made it sound like a simple pick up.</p>
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		<title>By: Niccolo Machiavelli</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/03/26/assembly-member-kellner-comes-around-on-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-46737</link>
		<dc:creator>Niccolo Machiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there plan is to double park like the guy whose wife had to use the Dialysis clinic in Bklyn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there plan is to double park like the guy whose wife had to use the Dialysis clinic in Bklyn.</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/03/26/assembly-member-kellner-comes-around-on-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-46716</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, are these hospital exemption advocates aware of how much it costs to park in a hospital parking garage and the private garages around, say, NYU Hospital down around 2nd Ave and 18th Street? The parking costs are astronomical. If you&#039;re driving a private car to a hospital, the congestion charge is the least of your worries, cost-wise. This whole hospital exemption argument is just ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, are these hospital exemption advocates aware of how much it costs to park in a hospital parking garage and the private garages around, say, NYU Hospital down around 2nd Ave and 18th Street? The parking costs are astronomical. If you're driving a private car to a hospital, the congestion charge is the least of your worries, cost-wise. This whole hospital exemption argument is just ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: MrManhattan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrManhattan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were a Martian reading this blog my main question would be: Why are there no hospitals on earth except from South Ferry to 60th Street on tiny little Manhattan Island?

As a real New Yorker, I&#039;m wondering what hospitals they&#039;re talking about? All the &quot;Big Name&quot; hospitals (Sloan Kettering, Columbia Presbyterian, Mt Sinai) are above 60th Street. 

If folks from Brooklyn, Queens, The Bronx and America don&#039;t think their hospitals are good enough, well then I don&#039;t think congestion pricing is their problem. 

Lack of (what they consider) adequate health care is. (write your congressman)

In fact, one of the prime benefits of congestion pricing will be to allow ambulances to get people who REALLY need to get to a Manhattan hospital to get there before they die.  

Sorry if  charging Aunt Millie $8.00 extra because she needs to schedule an appointment with Dr. Snuffulupugus in Manhattan to get her hangnail removed instead of Dr. Cookie Monster in Bay Ridge sounds harsh...

Just kidding, its not harsh, and I&#039;m not sorry, its only $8.00. 

I&#039;m sure Aunt Millie pays her Manhattan doctor WAY over $ 8.00 more per visit than she would in The Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens or America. So, obviously, she can afford it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were a Martian reading this blog my main question would be: Why are there no hospitals on earth except from South Ferry to 60th Street on tiny little Manhattan Island?</p>
<p>As a real New Yorker, I'm wondering what hospitals they're talking about? All the "Big Name" hospitals (Sloan Kettering, Columbia Presbyterian, Mt Sinai) are above 60th Street. </p>
<p>If folks from Brooklyn, Queens, The Bronx and America don't think their hospitals are good enough, well then I don't think congestion pricing is their problem. </p>
<p>Lack of (what they consider) adequate health care is. (write your congressman)</p>
<p>In fact, one of the prime benefits of congestion pricing will be to allow ambulances to get people who REALLY need to get to a Manhattan hospital to get there before they die.  </p>
<p>Sorry if  charging Aunt Millie $8.00 extra because she needs to schedule an appointment with Dr. Snuffulupugus in Manhattan to get her hangnail removed instead of Dr. Cookie Monster in Bay Ridge sounds harsh...</p>
<p>Just kidding, its not harsh, and I'm not sorry, its only $8.00. </p>
<p>I'm sure Aunt Millie pays her Manhattan doctor WAY over $ 8.00 more per visit than she would in The Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens or America. So, obviously, she can afford it.</p>
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		<title>By: rhubarbpie</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/03/26/assembly-member-kellner-comes-around-on-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-46704</link>
		<dc:creator>rhubarbpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a fan of the hospital visit exemption -- it&#039;s a bit much -- but I do think we don&#039;t need to be silly about whether there&#039;s an exemption or two. 

The key goal: get this passed in some form that brings in a bunch of dough and reduces traffic. If that involves some reasonable give-and-take, so be it. 

I&#039;m told that the Bloomberg administration has (haughtily, in my view) declared the kind of exemption Kellner wants out of the question. That&#039;s a great way of winning friends and influencing people. Or is it, with friends like these...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not a fan of the hospital visit exemption -- it's a bit much -- but I do think we don't need to be silly about whether there's an exemption or two. </p>
<p>The key goal: get this passed in some form that brings in a bunch of dough and reduces traffic. If that involves some reasonable give-and-take, so be it. </p>
<p>I'm told that the Bloomberg administration has (haughtily, in my view) declared the kind of exemption Kellner wants out of the question. That's a great way of winning friends and influencing people. Or is it, with friends like these...?</p>
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		<title>By: momos</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/03/26/assembly-member-kellner-comes-around-on-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-46698</link>
		<dc:creator>momos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Rhubarb pie

I don&#039;t have a problem with the disabled (meaning cars with handicapped plates) getting an exemption.

But not everyone making a &quot;hospital visit&quot; is disabled. How would you possibly enforce a hospital visit exemption?

Meanwhile, there is a comprehensive 24/7 service for people who can&#039;t use subways or buses due to disabilities, called Access-a-Ride
http://www.mta.info/nyct/paratran/guide.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Rhubarb pie</p>
<p>I don't have a problem with the disabled (meaning cars with handicapped plates) getting an exemption.</p>
<p>But not everyone making a "hospital visit" is disabled. How would you possibly enforce a hospital visit exemption?</p>
<p>Meanwhile, there is a comprehensive 24/7 service for people who can't use subways or buses due to disabilities, called Access-a-Ride<br />
<a href="http://www.mta.info/nyct/paratran/guide.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mta.info/nyct/paratran/guide.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely a net gain for the disabled, even without some sort of exemption, if finding a usable parking spot is made easier.  Disabled who can&#039;t use mass transit, and who drive into Manhattan or take cabs, and are able to afford this in New York City, probably can afford the fee.  Anecdotally, I know two such men, and they both could afford it.

We who can use mass transit will benefit from easier crossing of wide streets, faster buses, and of course cleaner air and less noise, as will everyone else.

The impoverished, disabled, outer borough regular car commuter sounds like a made-up obstacle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely a net gain for the disabled, even without some sort of exemption, if finding a usable parking spot is made easier.  Disabled who can't use mass transit, and who drive into Manhattan or take cabs, and are able to afford this in New York City, probably can afford the fee.  Anecdotally, I know two such men, and they both could afford it.</p>
<p>We who can use mass transit will benefit from easier crossing of wide streets, faster buses, and of course cleaner air and less noise, as will everyone else.</p>
<p>The impoverished, disabled, outer borough regular car commuter sounds like a made-up obstacle.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie D.</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/03/26/assembly-member-kellner-comes-around-on-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-46685</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MTA has a paratransit service for those who are unable to use other mass transit.

http://www.mta.info/mta/ada/paratransit.htm

I&#039;m guessing that people who use these services would not pay the congestion charge.  Perhaps these services could be exempted from the charge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MTA has a paratransit service for those who are unable to use other mass transit.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mta.info/mta/ada/paratransit.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mta.info/mta/ada/paratransit.htm</a></p>
<p>I'm guessing that people who use these services would not pay the congestion charge.  Perhaps these services could be exempted from the charge?</p>
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		<title>By: hospitals pay?</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/03/26/assembly-member-kellner-comes-around-on-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-46684</link>
		<dc:creator>hospitals pay?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of hospital visits...
In the news today...timely and unfortunate, but sadly no mention in the press release of how bicycles could help mitigate the epidemic:

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/pr2008/pr022-08.shtml
OBESITY AND DIABETES RISING FASTER IN NYC THAN NATIONALLY
New York City Adults Gained More than 10 Million Pounds over a Two-Year Period; Empty Calories from Soda and Other Sugary Drinks Contribute to City’s Obesity Epidemic
The City’s rates of obesity and diagnosed diabetes both increased by 17% from 2002 to 2004. By contrast, the rest of the nation experienced just a 6% increase in obesity prevalence and no increase in diabetes diagnoses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of hospital visits...<br />
In the news today...timely and unfortunate, but sadly no mention in the press release of how bicycles could help mitigate the epidemic:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/pr2008/pr022-08.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/pr2008/pr022-08.shtml</a><br />
OBESITY AND DIABETES RISING FASTER IN NYC THAN NATIONALLY<br />
New York City Adults Gained More than 10 Million Pounds over a Two-Year Period; Empty Calories from Soda and Other Sugary Drinks Contribute to City’s Obesity Epidemic<br />
The City’s rates of obesity and diagnosed diabetes both increased by 17% from 2002 to 2004. By contrast, the rest of the nation experienced just a 6% increase in obesity prevalence and no increase in diabetes diagnoses.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were handicapped and not wealthy enough to have a car or able to operate one (maybe like most of the handicapped in NYC?) I would not be too excited about this outpouring of compassion. Take the funding that would be lost via this idea (outright, and by additional overhead) and send it to access-a-ride if you want to indiscriminately help the handicapped. That&#039;s transit, so it&#039;s still in &quot;the lockbox.&quot;

But--isn&#039;t it SO AWESOME that this guy flipped? I&#039;m willing to look the other way on this, and a lot of other annoying but trivial things, if it means the Upper Driving Sides will support congestion pricing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were handicapped and not wealthy enough to have a car or able to operate one (maybe like most of the handicapped in NYC?) I would not be too excited about this outpouring of compassion. Take the funding that would be lost via this idea (outright, and by additional overhead) and send it to access-a-ride if you want to indiscriminately help the handicapped. That's transit, so it's still in "the lockbox."</p>
<p>But--isn't it SO AWESOME that this guy flipped? I'm willing to look the other way on this, and a lot of other annoying but trivial things, if it means the Upper Driving Sides will support congestion pricing.</p>
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		<title>By: hospitals pay?</title>
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		<dc:creator>hospitals pay?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the hospital-bound drivers pay out of pocket, and the hospitals reimburse the drivers a certain percentage, perhaps subsidized from Lockbox.  
The hospitals would be a little less free with their approvals, and still generating pretty nice profits...
I wonder how many of these poor-health related trips are caused by lack of exercize due to too much time sitting in traffic??? Not to take this too far, but CP and liveable streets would actually REDUCE overall hospital visits!

As usual, see Portland (City Commissioner Sam Adams)
http://www.commissionersam.com/node/1423
Bicycles, Cars, Obesity, Land Use, and Healthcare Spending: What&#039;s the Connection?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the hospital-bound drivers pay out of pocket, and the hospitals reimburse the drivers a certain percentage, perhaps subsidized from Lockbox.<br />
The hospitals would be a little less free with their approvals, and still generating pretty nice profits...<br />
I wonder how many of these poor-health related trips are caused by lack of exercize due to too much time sitting in traffic??? Not to take this too far, but CP and liveable streets would actually REDUCE overall hospital visits!</p>
<p>As usual, see Portland (City Commissioner Sam Adams)<br />
<a href="http://www.commissionersam.com/node/1423" rel="nofollow">http://www.commissionersam.com/node/1423</a><br />
Bicycles, Cars, Obesity, Land Use, and Healthcare Spending: What's the Connection?</p>
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		<title>By: Heffron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heffron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a problem with disabled people getting some sort of pass.  In fact the Mayor&#039;s original plan had exemptions for folks with handicapped licenses, I wasn&#039;t aware that exemption had been removed.  But when you say people taking a hospital trip, that opens up a lot of questions about what kind of hospital trip, the type of patient, etc.  Not everyone that goes to the hospital is so sick they can&#039;t get there via public transit or cab. I don&#039;t know what the stats are for people who don&#039;t have handicap tags but can&#039;t get around without a car, but a blanket statement like &quot;Patients at Hospitals Within the Zone&quot; is a little broad for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't have a problem with disabled people getting some sort of pass.  In fact the Mayor's original plan had exemptions for folks with handicapped licenses, I wasn't aware that exemption had been removed.  But when you say people taking a hospital trip, that opens up a lot of questions about what kind of hospital trip, the type of patient, etc.  Not everyone that goes to the hospital is so sick they can't get there via public transit or cab. I don't know what the stats are for people who don't have handicap tags but can't get around without a car, but a blanket statement like "Patients at Hospitals Within the Zone" is a little broad for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have more compassion for the handicapped than I do those who would be using the placards allocated to handicapped people who do not drive under a proposal the pols are pushing.  

The handicapped who do drive will have nowhere to park if the number of placards continues to rise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have more compassion for the handicapped than I do those who would be using the placards allocated to handicapped people who do not drive under a proposal the pols are pushing.  </p>
<p>The handicapped who do drive will have nowhere to park if the number of placards continues to rise.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever.  Congestion pricing is a miniscule but crucial baby step that should be voted in, implemented as soon as possible, to move forward to bigger and better climate change mitigation efforts.

By the way:  
Chunk of Antarctic Ice Collapses 
 
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: March 26, 2008

A chunk of Antarctic ice about seven times the size of Manhattan suddenly collapsed, putting an even greater portion of glacial ice at risk, scientists said. Satellite images show the runaway disintegration of a 160-square-mile chunk in western Antarctica, which started Feb. 28. It was the edge of the Wilkins ice shelf and has been there for perhaps as many as 1,500 years. The rest of the Wilkins ice shelf, which is about the size of Connecticut, is holding on by a narrow beam of thin ice. Scientists worry that it too may collapse. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/us/26brfs-CHUNKOFANTAR_BRF.html?scp=2&amp;sq=antarctica&amp;st=nyt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever.  Congestion pricing is a miniscule but crucial baby step that should be voted in, implemented as soon as possible, to move forward to bigger and better climate change mitigation efforts.</p>
<p>By the way:<br />
Chunk of Antarctic Ice Collapses </p>
<p>By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS<br />
Published: March 26, 2008</p>
<p>A chunk of Antarctic ice about seven times the size of Manhattan suddenly collapsed, putting an even greater portion of glacial ice at risk, scientists said. Satellite images show the runaway disintegration of a 160-square-mile chunk in western Antarctica, which started Feb. 28. It was the edge of the Wilkins ice shelf and has been there for perhaps as many as 1,500 years. The rest of the Wilkins ice shelf, which is about the size of Connecticut, is holding on by a narrow beam of thin ice. Scientists worry that it too may collapse. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/us/26brfs-CHUNKOFANTAR_BRF.html?scp=2&amp;sq=antarctica&amp;st=nyt" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/us/26brfs-CHUNKOFANTAR_BRF.html?scp=2&amp;sq=antarctica&amp;st=nyt</a></p>
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		<title>By: rhubarbpie</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/03/26/assembly-member-kellner-comes-around-on-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-46677</link>
		<dc:creator>rhubarbpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, there are something like 80 accessible cabs out of a fleet of 13,000+.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, there are something like 80 accessible cabs out of a fleet of 13,000+.</p>
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		<title>By: rhubarbpie</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/03/26/assembly-member-kellner-comes-around-on-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-46676</link>
		<dc:creator>rhubarbpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa guys!

Given that persons who are disabled -- at least those in wheelchairs -- are largely shut out of the subways (which have a dangerous gap between platform and car and often-broken elevators in the stations that even have them) and completely shut out of taxis (unless they can transfer from their chairs easily and fold them, which many cannot), you&#039;d think there&#039;d be just a touch of empathy here for a group that in fact does not have the same transit options as the rest of us. But I guess not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa guys!</p>
<p>Given that persons who are disabled -- at least those in wheelchairs -- are largely shut out of the subways (which have a dangerous gap between platform and car and often-broken elevators in the stations that even have them) and completely shut out of taxis (unless they can transfer from their chairs easily and fold them, which many cannot), you'd think there'd be just a touch of empathy here for a group that in fact does not have the same transit options as the rest of us. But I guess not.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/03/26/assembly-member-kellner-comes-around-on-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-46675</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do these people with disabilities get an exemption from tolls?  On the subway?  Do we even know how many of them there are before we open the gates to fraud and abuse.  

Do we know how many low-income people with cars don&#039;t have a credit card and therefore can&#039;t easily get an EZ-Pass?  They can still get one, BTW.

All this pandering to the poor and disadvantaged is ridiculous unless we quantify that there is a large population impacted.  I bet there isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do these people with disabilities get an exemption from tolls?  On the subway?  Do we even know how many of them there are before we open the gates to fraud and abuse.  </p>
<p>Do we know how many low-income people with cars don't have a credit card and therefore can't easily get an EZ-Pass?  They can still get one, BTW.</p>
<p>All this pandering to the poor and disadvantaged is ridiculous unless we quantify that there is a large population impacted.  I bet there isn't.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/03/26/assembly-member-kellner-comes-around-on-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-46674</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember what the current &quot;congestion control&quot; is in the CBD parking.  New off street parking spaces are restricted, jacking up the cost of existing spaces.

The rich can afford garage prices -- the company often pays for it so it doesn&#039;t count as taxable income.

The political class and associated interests gets the on-street spaces via placard.

Everyone else can take the subway, at least until it falls apart.

Kellner and the others want to recreate the system of favors in the new system that they have in the old.  Such favors are the entire basis of political careers in New York.  There really is nothing else there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember what the current "congestion control" is in the CBD parking.  New off street parking spaces are restricted, jacking up the cost of existing spaces.</p>
<p>The rich can afford garage prices -- the company often pays for it so it doesn't count as taxable income.</p>
<p>The political class and associated interests gets the on-street spaces via placard.</p>
<p>Everyone else can take the subway, at least until it falls apart.</p>
<p>Kellner and the others want to recreate the system of favors in the new system that they have in the old.  Such favors are the entire basis of political careers in New York.  There really is nothing else there.</p>
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		<title>By: Heffron</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/03/26/assembly-member-kellner-comes-around-on-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-46673</link>
		<dc:creator>Heffron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My doctor is in Manhattan too.  Can I get an exemption on mass transit to see her?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My doctor is in Manhattan too.  Can I get an exemption on mass transit to see her?</p>
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