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	<title>Comments on: Refused by His City, Man Jailed for Painting a Crosswalk</title>
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		<title>By: Bob Koveleskie</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/02/07/refused-by-his-city-man-jailed-for-painting-in-a-crosswalk/comment-page-1/#comment-51194</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Koveleskie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need more people taking charge like Stump. Give &#039;em hell Stump.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need more people taking charge like Stump. Give 'em hell Stump.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 05:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, Muncie.

I&#039;m so glad I left. How close does an intersection have to be to a school to get a crosswalk? Ball State&#039;s campus is less than a quarter of a mile from this intersection.

Unfortunately the street I live on in Denver doesn&#039;t even have and I&#039;m two blocks from DU&#039;s campus. I think I&#039;m going to have to do a little crosswalk painting too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, Muncie.</p>
<p>I'm so glad I left. How close does an intersection have to be to a school to get a crosswalk? Ball State's campus is less than a quarter of a mile from this intersection.</p>
<p>Unfortunately the street I live on in Denver doesn't even have and I'm two blocks from DU's campus. I think I'm going to have to do a little crosswalk painting too.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lack of sidewalks, cleared streets, crosswalks, or safe places for people to walk - this is Muncie.  Good for someone taking a stand!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lack of sidewalks, cleared streets, crosswalks, or safe places for people to walk - this is Muncie.  Good for someone taking a stand!</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a condescending thought, maybe, BC.

If you think that a stop sign that&#039;s regularly ignored isn&#039;t a problem, then you probably won&#039;t find many people to agree with you here.  Maybe his actions weren&#039;t the most effective way to deal with the problem, but the problem was there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a condescending thought, maybe, BC.</p>
<p>If you think that a stop sign that's regularly ignored isn't a problem, then you probably won't find many people to agree with you here.  Maybe his actions weren't the most effective way to deal with the problem, but the problem was there.</p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
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		<dc:creator>BC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever heard of looking both ways before you cross the street?  There seems to be an assumption here that Stump was in the right.  Maybe the City didn&#039;t respond to his request because the intersection actually doesn&#039;t need a crosswalk.  Just a thought...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever heard of looking both ways before you cross the street?  There seems to be an assumption here that Stump was in the right.  Maybe the City didn't respond to his request because the intersection actually doesn't need a crosswalk.  Just a thought...</p>
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		<title>By: Cross this</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cross this</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an idiot. He really thinks painting a crosswalk is going to get people to stop? Of course the town doesn&#039;t want an illegal crosswalk there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an idiot. He really thinks painting a crosswalk is going to get people to stop? Of course the town doesn't want an illegal crosswalk there.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Sundt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Sundt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations for taking matters in your hands and creating a safe environment.  Government agencies are only willing to do so much.  As for the arrest, please continue to paint the other cross walks.  You will eventually win the legal battles and the City will have to pay the expenses.   Be nice to the city though.  It is ultimately your tax money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations for taking matters in your hands and creating a safe environment.  Government agencies are only willing to do so much.  As for the arrest, please continue to paint the other cross walks.  You will eventually win the legal battles and the City will have to pay the expenses.   Be nice to the city though.  It is ultimately your tax money.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s actually not a bad job, the crosswalk&#039;s actually bigger than the sidewalk it extends. Actually, it inspires me to do it in my Richmond Hill intersection. The NYCDOT said they&#039;ll do my crosswalks in Spring 2007, yes 2007. My ass they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's actually not a bad job, the crosswalk's actually bigger than the sidewalk it extends. Actually, it inspires me to do it in my Richmond Hill intersection. The NYCDOT said they'll do my crosswalks in Spring 2007, yes 2007. My ass they did.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, rhu, for the explications. Very helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, rhu, for the explications. Very helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: rhubarbpie</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhubarbpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quick search shows that the Delaware County prosecutor, Mark McKinney, defended his action by saying that painting a crosswalk wherever you want is dangerous. He defends himself by citing the need for &quot;foot-traffic studies&quot; and other steps before a crosswalk is approved. His response doesn’t pass the laugh test in my book, but then I’m not his audience. 

(See http://www.theindychannel.com/news/15190982/detail.html)

A couple of other thoughts: One motivation for going after Stump is the fear of liability for the city or county if, for instance, a person walking across the crosswalk is hit and the crosswalk hasn’t been maintained. Stump himself may face a liability claim, though he probably doesn’t care, assuming he even has thought about it. 

I note this not as a defense of the ticket or the prosecution, but this is definitely the kind of thing bureaucrats think about and we should remember that, even when they are doing block-headed things. 

Beyond that, the vast majority of prosecutors will go ahead with many cases because of their need to maintain a good relationship with the police. Again, this is not to defend McKinney, whose judgment seems suspect, but to think about why this case has gotten so far. 

Stump defends himself on the non-appearance charge by saying he didn’t know he’d been charged a second time, which sounds plausible. (This should serve as a cautionary tale to anyone who urges that people who have suspended licenses be automatically  arrested and jailed – sometimes it does turn out that notices do not get sent out, go to wrong addresses, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick search shows that the Delaware County prosecutor, Mark McKinney, defended his action by saying that painting a crosswalk wherever you want is dangerous. He defends himself by citing the need for "foot-traffic studies" and other steps before a crosswalk is approved. His response doesn’t pass the laugh test in my book, but then I’m not his audience. </p>
<p>(See <a href="http://www.theindychannel.com/news/15190982/detail.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.theindychannel.com/news/15190982/detail.html)</a></p>
<p>A couple of other thoughts: One motivation for going after Stump is the fear of liability for the city or county if, for instance, a person walking across the crosswalk is hit and the crosswalk hasn’t been maintained. Stump himself may face a liability claim, though he probably doesn’t care, assuming he even has thought about it. </p>
<p>I note this not as a defense of the ticket or the prosecution, but this is definitely the kind of thing bureaucrats think about and we should remember that, even when they are doing block-headed things. </p>
<p>Beyond that, the vast majority of prosecutors will go ahead with many cases because of their need to maintain a good relationship with the police. Again, this is not to defend McKinney, whose judgment seems suspect, but to think about why this case has gotten so far. </p>
<p>Stump defends himself on the non-appearance charge by saying he didn’t know he’d been charged a second time, which sounds plausible. (This should serve as a cautionary tale to anyone who urges that people who have suspended licenses be automatically  arrested and jailed – sometimes it does turn out that notices do not get sent out, go to wrong addresses, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis R. Bergey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis R. Bergey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo Mr. Stump. Bravo! This is the type of Civic Disobediance the country needs. Granted, we cannot let the public run amok and decide single handedly what should be done, however, Stumps action created a &quot;temporary&quot; fix to a permanant problem and should creat the rukas it has.  Now its out there and visible.

Bravo Mr. Stump!

P.S. I&#039;m empowered and I thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo Mr. Stump. Bravo! This is the type of Civic Disobediance the country needs. Granted, we cannot let the public run amok and decide single handedly what should be done, however, Stumps action created a "temporary" fix to a permanant problem and should creat the rukas it has.  Now its out there and visible.</p>
<p>Bravo Mr. Stump!</p>
<p>P.S. I'm empowered and I thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: rhubarbpie</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhubarbpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it&#039;s true that he was jailed for missing a court date, as a previous commentator notes.

But there&#039;s a huge amount of judgment involved when a prosector decides 1) whether to go ahead with a charge like this and 2) whether to JAIL someone for missing a court date on a charge like this. 

It sure sounds like a classic case of the overzealous prosecutor at work here, and one with lousy judgment as well. Mr. Stump would not be in jail if it weren&#039;t for painting the crosswalk, so the headline seems pretty fair to me. 

Back in the good old days here in New York City, cops used to ticket do-gooders for things like 1) taking photos of deteriorating conditions in subway stations and even, God forbid, 2) taking a paint brush to a graffiti-marred station in their neighborhood. 

I don&#039;t think there were arrests in those cases, but often law enforcement personnel and prosecutors think that they must challenge anyone who is making a statement out of the norm about government mismanagement. The Muncie case seems similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it's true that he was jailed for missing a court date, as a previous commentator notes.</p>
<p>But there's a huge amount of judgment involved when a prosector decides 1) whether to go ahead with a charge like this and 2) whether to JAIL someone for missing a court date on a charge like this. </p>
<p>It sure sounds like a classic case of the overzealous prosecutor at work here, and one with lousy judgment as well. Mr. Stump would not be in jail if it weren't for painting the crosswalk, so the headline seems pretty fair to me. </p>
<p>Back in the good old days here in New York City, cops used to ticket do-gooders for things like 1) taking photos of deteriorating conditions in subway stations and even, God forbid, 2) taking a paint brush to a graffiti-marred station in their neighborhood. </p>
<p>I don't think there were arrests in those cases, but often law enforcement personnel and prosecutors think that they must challenge anyone who is making a statement out of the norm about government mismanagement. The Muncie case seems similar.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Ace. (#15)</description>
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		<title>By: James W. in Santa Barbara CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>James W. in Santa Barbara CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Whitney Stump!</description>
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		<title>By: Rich Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He needs to open up a PayPal donation site for supplies.  I&#039;d send him $5 in a second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He needs to open up a PayPal donation site for supplies.  I'd send him $5 in a second.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Berthet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Berthet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ddartley 

There is nothing violent or illegal in rope speed bumps in Mexico: they are installed by government with nice signs warning of speed bumps. It is a good way ( maybe the only way)to make a speed bump on a dirt road , which is the case in many villages of Yucatan. It is also a very green way to do it : it was installed in a biosphere where everything is carefully environmentally friendly. 

It is time to go visit the world and learn to do simple things again. The ingenuity of Stump is admirable and the fact he&#039;d be arrested for doing a right thing that can save lives shows where our culture has gone .  

we need to create a  stump day where all of us go and paint the neck downs etc we have been waiting for 


Stump is the man ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ddartley </p>
<p>There is nothing violent or illegal in rope speed bumps in Mexico: they are installed by government with nice signs warning of speed bumps. It is a good way ( maybe the only way)to make a speed bump on a dirt road , which is the case in many villages of Yucatan. It is also a very green way to do it : it was installed in a biosphere where everything is carefully environmentally friendly. </p>
<p>It is time to go visit the world and learn to do simple things again. The ingenuity of Stump is admirable and the fact he'd be arrested for doing a right thing that can save lives shows where our culture has gone .  </p>
<p>we need to create a  stump day where all of us go and paint the neck downs etc we have been waiting for </p>
<p>Stump is the man ...</p>
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		<title>By: Ace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel encouraged to create a street sign along the lines of 

&quot;No vehicle exceeding 60 inches in height may park within 25 feet of corner&quot; 

I am not sure of my measurements but I was nearly done in last night in Brooklyn because I could not see oncoming traffic through an SUV parked near the corner. I would think a line on the sign would let drivers know if their vehicle made the limit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel encouraged to create a street sign along the lines of </p>
<p>"No vehicle exceeding 60 inches in height may park within 25 feet of corner" </p>
<p>I am not sure of my measurements but I was nearly done in last night in Brooklyn because I could not see oncoming traffic through an SUV parked near the corner. I would think a line on the sign would let drivers know if their vehicle made the limit.</p>
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		<title>By: Gretel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gretel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abbey Road, anyone? 

Whitney Stump: Come to Brooklyn! Your services are needed! What a gift for your community and that is an amazing paint job. 

I used to live by an intersection in Dallas that looked exactly like this. Rolling stops were the norm, and crossing the street was treacherous and amounted to a game of &quot;dodging the Suburban&quot;. I don&#039;t see what the problem is with reminding motorists that they should at the very least be aware of pedestrians. I wonder how people on his block reacted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abbey Road, anyone? </p>
<p>Whitney Stump: Come to Brooklyn! Your services are needed! What a gift for your community and that is an amazing paint job. </p>
<p>I used to live by an intersection in Dallas that looked exactly like this. Rolling stops were the norm, and crossing the street was treacherous and amounted to a game of "dodging the Suburban". I don't see what the problem is with reminding motorists that they should at the very least be aware of pedestrians. I wonder how people on his block reacted.</p>
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		<title>By: jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does one walk?  Even in the St Louis Science Center, employees uses Segways to travel between offices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does one walk?  Even in the St Louis Science Center, employees uses Segways to travel between offices.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/02/07/refused-by-his-city-man-jailed-for-painting-in-a-crosswalk/comment-page-1/#comment-44256</link>
		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, he was jailed for missing his court date, not for the criminal mischief charge.  While the charges may be a bit excessive, so is the headline...  No need to spin it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, he was jailed for missing his court date, not for the criminal mischief charge.  While the charges may be a bit excessive, so is the headline...  No need to spin it.</p>
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