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	<title>Comments on: Testify! Public Hearings on Congestion Pricing Tonight</title>
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		<title>By: JF</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/24/testify-public-hearings-on-congestion-pricing-tonight/comment-page-1/#comment-43562</link>
		<dc:creator>JF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 04:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;London has pedestrianized huge swaths of the center city since the start of pricing, Trafalgar Square most notably. There are many more buses than there used to be and they run faster and more reliably. The Tube is still a pain in the ass but it&#039;s better funded. Cycling is up something like 400% over the last five years. There are so many more bikes on the street than there used to be.

What&#039;s allowing London to make all of these kinds of improvements is the fact that they&#039;ve created a new, dedicated revenue stream and have freed up all of this street space using congestion pricing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which is why this &lt;i&gt;New Scientist&lt;/i&gt; article completely misses the point:

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg19726382.200-commentary-wouldbe-traffic-herders-beware.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>London has pedestrianized huge swaths of the center city since the start of pricing, Trafalgar Square most notably. There are many more buses than there used to be and they run faster and more reliably. The Tube is still a pain in the ass but it's better funded. Cycling is up something like 400% over the last five years. There are so many more bikes on the street than there used to be.</p>
<p>What's allowing London to make all of these kinds of improvements is the fact that they've created a new, dedicated revenue stream and have freed up all of this street space using congestion pricing.</p></blockquote>
<p>Which is why this <i>New Scientist</i> article completely misses the point:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg19726382.200-commentary-wouldbe-traffic-herders-beware.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg19726382.200-commentary-wouldbe-traffic-herders-beware.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Blog Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/24/testify-public-hearings-on-congestion-pricing-tonight/comment-page-1/#comment-43560</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachael,

If you look at the Streetsblog archives down in the right-hand column there, you&#039;ll see that bicycling and pedestrian issues, and safety issues in particular, have received far more coverage than congestion pricing or anything else. 

I think it goes without saying that, in and of itself, congestion pricing doesn&#039;t necessarily make a city more bike-friendly. Copenhagen -- also covered extensively on the blog and StreetFilms, is very bike- and ped-friendly and it didn&#039;t take congestion pricing to get that way. There&#039;s no reason to believe that simply implementing congestion pricing in NYC will suddenly make it a cyclists&#039; paradise. I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever ready anyone make that claim here on Streetsblog. 

As for London -- yes, I agree. In many ways, London is  behind NYC in terms of bike-friendliness (though I think the most dangerous thing about biking there is that everyone is driving on the wrong side of the road -- seriously).  

But did you ever get the chance to visit London before congestion pricing to make a comparison? London has pedestrianized huge swaths of the center city since the start of pricing, Trafalgar Square most notably. There are many more buses than there used to be and they run faster and more reliably. The Tube is still a pain in the ass but it&#039;s better funded. Cycling is up something like 400% over the last five years. There are so many more bikes on the street than there used to be. 

What&#039;s allowing London to make all of these kinds of improvements is the fact that they&#039;ve created a new, dedicated revenue stream and have freed up all of this street space using congestion pricing. 

Bottom line for me is any policy that can take 120,000 cars a day off the street while raising hundreds of millions of dollars a year for transit sounds pretty good. Hell, they could flush all the money down the toilet and it&#039;ll be a boon to cyclists, pedestrians and bus riders to get rid of all of those car trips. 

So, I just don&#039;t see what your gripe is. If you&#039;re looking for a fight, I suggest you call your City Council member immediately...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachael,</p>
<p>If you look at the Streetsblog archives down in the right-hand column there, you'll see that bicycling and pedestrian issues, and safety issues in particular, have received far more coverage than congestion pricing or anything else. </p>
<p>I think it goes without saying that, in and of itself, congestion pricing doesn't necessarily make a city more bike-friendly. Copenhagen -- also covered extensively on the blog and StreetFilms, is very bike- and ped-friendly and it didn't take congestion pricing to get that way. There's no reason to believe that simply implementing congestion pricing in NYC will suddenly make it a cyclists' paradise. I don't think I've ever ready anyone make that claim here on Streetsblog. </p>
<p>As for London -- yes, I agree. In many ways, London is  behind NYC in terms of bike-friendliness (though I think the most dangerous thing about biking there is that everyone is driving on the wrong side of the road -- seriously).  </p>
<p>But did you ever get the chance to visit London before congestion pricing to make a comparison? London has pedestrianized huge swaths of the center city since the start of pricing, Trafalgar Square most notably. There are many more buses than there used to be and they run faster and more reliably. The Tube is still a pain in the ass but it's better funded. Cycling is up something like 400% over the last five years. There are so many more bikes on the street than there used to be. </p>
<p>What's allowing London to make all of these kinds of improvements is the fact that they've created a new, dedicated revenue stream and have freed up all of this street space using congestion pricing. </p>
<p>Bottom line for me is any policy that can take 120,000 cars a day off the street while raising hundreds of millions of dollars a year for transit sounds pretty good. Hell, they could flush all the money down the toilet and it'll be a boon to cyclists, pedestrians and bus riders to get rid of all of those car trips. </p>
<p>So, I just don't see what your gripe is. If you're looking for a fight, I suggest you call your City Council member immediately...</p>
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		<title>By: rachael</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/24/testify-public-hearings-on-congestion-pricing-tonight/comment-page-1/#comment-43559</link>
		<dc:creator>rachael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s going to take a lot more than congestion pricing to create safe streets in NYC.  I used to be excited about the idea of congestion pricing in NYC until I rode my bike around London this past summer.  It doesn&#039;t feel safe there at all.  The cars can drive at fast speeds because there is very little gridlock.  Congestion pricing is one piece of a larger puzzle and, although I hope it passes, I worry that Streetsblog has unrealistic expectations for how it will change our streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it's going to take a lot more than congestion pricing to create safe streets in NYC.  I used to be excited about the idea of congestion pricing in NYC until I rode my bike around London this past summer.  It doesn't feel safe there at all.  The cars can drive at fast speeds because there is very little gridlock.  Congestion pricing is one piece of a larger puzzle and, although I hope it passes, I worry that Streetsblog has unrealistic expectations for how it will change our streets.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 02:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Bloomberg Congestion Plan is too complex and requires way too many cameras to be abused by the police - with the bridge toll plan available as an option I am completely opposed to the Mayor&#039;s plan. I favor the bridge-tunnel toll plan because its simple, the technology implementation and maintenance requirement is way less, and it leaves more money for public transit, and its not going to further empower the NYPD to further trash my civil rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Bloomberg Congestion Plan is too complex and requires way too many cameras to be abused by the police - with the bridge toll plan available as an option I am completely opposed to the Mayor's plan. I favor the bridge-tunnel toll plan because its simple, the technology implementation and maintenance requirement is way less, and it leaves more money for public transit, and its not going to further empower the NYPD to further trash my civil rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn McAnanama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn McAnanama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Spitzer is sweetening the pot for the Assembly with offers of pay raises: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/nyregion/24raise.html?ref=nyregion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Spitzer is sweetening the pot for the Assembly with offers of pay raises: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/nyregion/24raise.html?ref=nyregion" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/nyregion/24raise.html?ref=nyregion</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/24/testify-public-hearings-on-congestion-pricing-tonight/comment-page-1/#comment-43429</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be there at the Brooklyn hearing.

There&#039;s a lot to be learned from what Robert Moses did to this city.  Mostly, these are lessons in what not to do.

But one truly valuable lesson is that with money in hand, anything can be accomplished.  This program would harness money to &quot;get things done&quot; . . . but this time, the right things.

Personally, I favor a modified version of the bridge tolling plan, but I could also live with a tweaked congestion pricing plan.  The only plan which is a non-starter is the license plate rationing, which is a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll be there at the Brooklyn hearing.</p>
<p>There's a lot to be learned from what Robert Moses did to this city.  Mostly, these are lessons in what not to do.</p>
<p>But one truly valuable lesson is that with money in hand, anything can be accomplished.  This program would harness money to "get things done" . . . but this time, the right things.</p>
<p>Personally, I favor a modified version of the bridge tolling plan, but I could also live with a tweaked congestion pricing plan.  The only plan which is a non-starter is the license plate rationing, which is a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Heffron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heffron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is important, and we have to make sure to keep the momentum and stay on message, it will all pay off when CP passes and we start seeing improvements to our mass transit and in our public spaces.  

The TA Queens Committee will be at York College tonight for the hearing.  Come out and join us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is important, and we have to make sure to keep the momentum and stay on message, it will all pay off when CP passes and we start seeing improvements to our mass transit and in our public spaces.  </p>
<p>The TA Queens Committee will be at York College tonight for the hearing.  Come out and join us!</p>
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