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	<title>Comments on: Resolved: More Driving for Teachers, Less for Everyone Else</title>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/18/resolved-more-driving-for-teachers-less-for-everyone-else/comment-page-1/#comment-43248</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that teachers should, ideally, live in the neighborhoods they serve.  It might make sense to ask new teachers -- who are generally young and unencumbered -- to move near the school where they teach.

But experienced teachers have been around for a while, and they have usually accumulated spouses, children, mortgages and other obligations.  Do we want to say that a high-needs school should not try to hire these people unless they have a good way to get to work without a car?

If there&#039;s a superabundance of qualified teachers in every neighborhood in New York that sort of rule might make sense.

My own inclination would be to give parking permits to teachers who can demonstrate a need to drive, and free or discounted Metrocards to the others.  That&#039;s not what UFT wants, but it makes sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that teachers should, ideally, live in the neighborhoods they serve.  It might make sense to ask new teachers -- who are generally young and unencumbered -- to move near the school where they teach.</p>
<p>But experienced teachers have been around for a while, and they have usually accumulated spouses, children, mortgages and other obligations.  Do we want to say that a high-needs school should not try to hire these people unless they have a good way to get to work without a car?</p>
<p>If there's a superabundance of qualified teachers in every neighborhood in New York that sort of rule might make sense.</p>
<p>My own inclination would be to give parking permits to teachers who can demonstrate a need to drive, and free or discounted Metrocards to the others.  That's not what UFT wants, but it makes sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/18/resolved-more-driving-for-teachers-less-for-everyone-else/comment-page-1/#comment-43244</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(So I say, the teachers union should be paying for metrocards and/or commuter rail tickets for its members instead of demanding free parking. Oh wait, that costs money instead of just demanding a freebie at the public expense.)

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, the reason subsidizing transit for teachers costs but reserving them parking is free is because the parking is free to everyone.  So everyone wants it -- the uncivil servants and the loal residents.  If local residents and teachers had to pay for on-street parking permits -- say $25 per month or so -- then handing out the &quot;free&quot; permits to teachers would cost, just like transit.

But this gets back to another issue -- residency.  Civil servants who live near where they work are more valuable that those who live far away, and not just due to transportation.  

First year teachers are bad, and the more turnover you have, the more first year teachers you have.  So it is a real loss if a teacher who has already climbed the learning curve departs for a suburban job.  Some do it for the money. Many do it for the commute.  

None of the teachers who live in my neighborhood and ride the subway to work have left for a suburban job.  It would be bad for child care.

It may not be fair for force teachers, cops, sanitation workers etc. to live in the city.  But if it were up to me, those who lived in the borough where they worked -- or, if working in Manhattan, in proximity to rail transit -- would be paid significantly more than those living farther away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(So I say, the teachers union should be paying for metrocards and/or commuter rail tickets for its members instead of demanding free parking. Oh wait, that costs money instead of just demanding a freebie at the public expense.)</p>
<p>At the risk of pointing out the obvious, the reason subsidizing transit for teachers costs but reserving them parking is free is because the parking is free to everyone.  So everyone wants it -- the uncivil servants and the loal residents.  If local residents and teachers had to pay for on-street parking permits -- say $25 per month or so -- then handing out the "free" permits to teachers would cost, just like transit.</p>
<p>But this gets back to another issue -- residency.  Civil servants who live near where they work are more valuable that those who live far away, and not just due to transportation.  </p>
<p>First year teachers are bad, and the more turnover you have, the more first year teachers you have.  So it is a real loss if a teacher who has already climbed the learning curve departs for a suburban job.  Some do it for the money. Many do it for the commute.  </p>
<p>None of the teachers who live in my neighborhood and ride the subway to work have left for a suburban job.  It would be bad for child care.</p>
<p>It may not be fair for force teachers, cops, sanitation workers etc. to live in the city.  But if it were up to me, those who lived in the borough where they worked -- or, if working in Manhattan, in proximity to rail transit -- would be paid significantly more than those living farther away.</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 05:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teachers are no different than the rest of the city&#039;s automobile commuters.  Some of them commute from areas where you understand why they would feel the need to drive.  Others have fairly convenient mass transit options they choose not to use. It&#039;s often as much about lifestyle as it is about location.  With suburbanites, though, it&#039;s probably a lot cheaper to drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teachers are no different than the rest of the city's automobile commuters.  Some of them commute from areas where you understand why they would feel the need to drive.  Others have fairly convenient mass transit options they choose not to use. It's often as much about lifestyle as it is about location.  With suburbanites, though, it's probably a lot cheaper to drive.</p>
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		<title>By: Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no rational excuse for the UFT&#039;s stance. (What really angers me are all the public school playgrounds that I see around the city, whose primary use seems to be for administration - and occasionally, staff - parking.)

At my school the administration is bike friendly, and I can bring my bike inside. But when I&#039;m asked to travel to another site, I always have to phone ahead and find out the situation. Many places are downright bike hostile, including my own district headquarters.

I&#039;d like to see the UFT  take a pro-active position in support of alternative transportation incentives for their members. Currently, bike accessibility is determined on a site-by site basis according to the whim of the site administration. An across-the-board policy supporting secure bicycle parking at all the public schools - for teachers and students - would be a good start (and would not be inconsistent with either of their resolutions).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no rational excuse for the UFT's stance. (What really angers me are all the public school playgrounds that I see around the city, whose primary use seems to be for administration - and occasionally, staff - parking.)</p>
<p>At my school the administration is bike friendly, and I can bring my bike inside. But when I'm asked to travel to another site, I always have to phone ahead and find out the situation. Many places are downright bike hostile, including my own district headquarters.</p>
<p>I'd like to see the UFT  take a pro-active position in support of alternative transportation incentives for their members. Currently, bike accessibility is determined on a site-by site basis according to the whim of the site administration. An across-the-board policy supporting secure bicycle parking at all the public schools - for teachers and students - would be a good start (and would not be inconsistent with either of their resolutions).</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That looks like a pretty nice ride in the photo, by the way.  It&#039;d buy a lot of MetroCards, for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That looks like a pretty nice ride in the photo, by the way.  It'd buy a lot of MetroCards, for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, increased fuel efficiency for teachers&#039; motorcars may benefit the environment on a mass scale, but I wager that when it comes to being crushed to death by a motorcar, there&#039;s not a lot of difference between a 50mpg diesel VW and a 10mpg Hummer H3. Cars and their drivers kill many people, including students of UFT members, every year. If UFT argues for keeping deadly guns and drugs and sugar water (!) out of schools, shouldn&#039;t they be doing the same about deadly motorcars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, increased fuel efficiency for teachers' motorcars may benefit the environment on a mass scale, but I wager that when it comes to being crushed to death by a motorcar, there's not a lot of difference between a 50mpg diesel VW and a 10mpg Hummer H3. Cars and their drivers kill many people, including students of UFT members, every year. If UFT argues for keeping deadly guns and drugs and sugar water (!) out of schools, shouldn't they be doing the same about deadly motorcars?</p>
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		<title>By: vnm</title>
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		<dc:creator>vnm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is our society obsessed with giving out free parking passes but not free transit passes? My friend works out in Stamford, a five minute walk from the huge, newly enlarged and extremely well served train station they have there.

Her company allows free parking in the building. But if you want to take the train? The best they can do is transitchek. That&#039;s even though rail riders reduce congestion on I-95 and reduce pollution, and reduce the expense of building the building in the first place.

So I say, the teachers union should be paying for metrocards and/or commuter rail tickets for its members instead of demanding free parking. Oh wait, that costs money instead of just demanding a freebie at the public expense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is our society obsessed with giving out free parking passes but not free transit passes? My friend works out in Stamford, a five minute walk from the huge, newly enlarged and extremely well served train station they have there.</p>
<p>Her company allows free parking in the building. But if you want to take the train? The best they can do is transitchek. That's even though rail riders reduce congestion on I-95 and reduce pollution, and reduce the expense of building the building in the first place.</p>
<p>So I say, the teachers union should be paying for metrocards and/or commuter rail tickets for its members instead of demanding free parking. Oh wait, that costs money instead of just demanding a freebie at the public expense.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compensation for teachers and the relative cost of living in New York City are certainly two big issues.  But those issues need to uncoupled from free on-street parking and the proliferation of permits.  Pitting one against the other is a false choice.  It&#039;s not enough to say that since teachers are undercompensated, we can&#039;t reduce the number of DOE permits.

As long as we give teachers incentive to drive, they&#039;ll do it at the expense of using mass transit.  Sure, some schools are poorly served by transit, but who wants to bet that there are a good number of DOE permit parkers who could easily commute by bus or subway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compensation for teachers and the relative cost of living in New York City are certainly two big issues.  But those issues need to uncoupled from free on-street parking and the proliferation of permits.  Pitting one against the other is a false choice.  It's not enough to say that since teachers are undercompensated, we can't reduce the number of DOE permits.</p>
<p>As long as we give teachers incentive to drive, they'll do it at the expense of using mass transit.  Sure, some schools are poorly served by transit, but who wants to bet that there are a good number of DOE permit parkers who could easily commute by bus or subway?</p>
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		<title>By: mork</title>
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		<dc:creator>mork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what do the poor schlub teachers who choose not to drive get for their frill?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what do the poor schlub teachers who choose not to drive get for their frill?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/18/resolved-more-driving-for-teachers-less-for-everyone-else/comment-page-1/#comment-43208</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(They have trouble enough attracting teachers to the City&#039;s troubled and underperforming schools. They desperately need any frills they can get!)

Does this mean that parking permits for teachers should be limited to those underperforming schools?

Heck, the UFT refuses to allow those teachers with the toughest jobs to be paid more, relative to similar teachers with easier assignments.  It wants early retirement for those with seniority instead -- so they can be paid for nothing.

The average pay of teachers in the city is not very high compared with the rest of the region.  But the cost of &quot;perks&quot; sucks up a massive amount of money here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(They have trouble enough attracting teachers to the City's troubled and underperforming schools. They desperately need any frills they can get!)</p>
<p>Does this mean that parking permits for teachers should be limited to those underperforming schools?</p>
<p>Heck, the UFT refuses to allow those teachers with the toughest jobs to be paid more, relative to similar teachers with easier assignments.  It wants early retirement for those with seniority instead -- so they can be paid for nothing.</p>
<p>The average pay of teachers in the city is not very high compared with the rest of the region.  But the cost of "perks" sucks up a massive amount of money here.</p>
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		<title>By: steely</title>
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		<dc:creator>steely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let&#039;s not forget that teachers set examples for their students.  teachers can take transit, carpool, walk or bike.  They can also choose to live closer to where they work, like many teachers do already.  as a last resort, they can drive and deal with parking like everyone else who &quot;has&quot; to drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let's not forget that teachers set examples for their students.  teachers can take transit, carpool, walk or bike.  They can also choose to live closer to where they work, like many teachers do already.  as a last resort, they can drive and deal with parking like everyone else who "has" to drive.</p>
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		<title>By: Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose the case could be made that providing on-street parking for teachers around schools is a better use of public space and more of a public good than free parking for neighborhood residents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose the case could be made that providing on-street parking for teachers around schools is a better use of public space and more of a public good than free parking for neighborhood residents.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have trouble enough attracting teachers to the City&#039;s troubled and underperforming schools.  They desperately need any frills they can get! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have trouble enough attracting teachers to the City's troubled and underperforming schools.  They desperately need any frills they can get! <img src='http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps, but the parking permits and reserved spaces themselves lead to less driving for everyone else.  

As I look for a place to put the car before using other means to get to work during an alternate side day, large sections of my neighborhood are off limits.  That is a partial privitization of a section of the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps, but the parking permits and reserved spaces themselves lead to less driving for everyone else.  </p>
<p>As I look for a place to put the car before using other means to get to work during an alternate side day, large sections of my neighborhood are off limits.  That is a partial privitization of a section of the street.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Siegel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, the two resolutions are consistent.  The resolution on protecting the environment says we should raise fuel efficient standards and use more alternative fuels, but it does not say that we should drive less or consume less. 

Once we move beyond the technological fix and start talking about simpler living, we will have a real chance of dealing with global warming - but the Teachers&#039; Union has not done that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, the two resolutions are consistent.  The resolution on protecting the environment says we should raise fuel efficient standards and use more alternative fuels, but it does not say that we should drive less or consume less. </p>
<p>Once we move beyond the technological fix and start talking about simpler living, we will have a real chance of dealing with global warming - but the Teachers' Union has not done that.</p>
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