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	<title>Comments on: How About Two Bike Lanes Per Street?</title>
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		<title>By: Michael1</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-2/#comment-43064</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those countdown timers are still under NYCDOT trials. I think if they pass the trial, they&#039;ll become standard at all intersections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those countdown timers are still under NYCDOT trials. I think if they pass the trial, they'll become standard at all intersections.</p>
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		<title>By: galvo</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-2/#comment-42987</link>
		<dc:creator>galvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if the bikebox  streets have the crosswalk countdown timers, it would be safer for the bicyclist to cross.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if the bikebox  streets have the crosswalk countdown timers, it would be safer for the bicyclist to cross.</p>
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		<title>By: peteathome</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-2/#comment-42962</link>
		<dc:creator>peteathome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The separated bike lanes being referred to are known as &quot;side paths&quot;. They were tried extensively in the USA starting in the early 70s, especially on the west coast. 

As mentioned repeatedly, they make intersections much more dangerous. So they are OK were there are very few intersections, say along a riverfront or other natural barrier. But they are horrible in urban areas with many intersections.

That&#039;s why they have been dropped by most bicycling infrastructure advocates. 

Even the Danish study showed this, and they&#039;ve been doing these things non-stop since the 60s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The separated bike lanes being referred to are known as "side paths". They were tried extensively in the USA starting in the early 70s, especially on the west coast. </p>
<p>As mentioned repeatedly, they make intersections much more dangerous. So they are OK were there are very few intersections, say along a riverfront or other natural barrier. But they are horrible in urban areas with many intersections.</p>
<p>That's why they have been dropped by most bicycling infrastructure advocates. </p>
<p>Even the Danish study showed this, and they've been doing these things non-stop since the 60s.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael1</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-2/#comment-42958</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gonna have to agree with srock, more good than bad out of this. Besides, it&#039;s always good to be ahead of the cyclists while waiting for the light, makes you more visible to the motorist, which is the idea here. As for the dual bike lanes, another nice step, it avoides having a cyclist restricted to one side of the street and he/she can make turns for whichever side of the street now.

Oh, does anybody have news on those Class 1 bike lanes they&#039;re doing on 9th Avenue? Haven&#039;t been reading up on that, are they up? Pictures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gonna have to agree with srock, more good than bad out of this. Besides, it's always good to be ahead of the cyclists while waiting for the light, makes you more visible to the motorist, which is the idea here. As for the dual bike lanes, another nice step, it avoides having a cyclist restricted to one side of the street and he/she can make turns for whichever side of the street now.</p>
<p>Oh, does anybody have news on those Class 1 bike lanes they're doing on 9th Avenue? Haven't been reading up on that, are they up? Pictures?</p>
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		<title>By: jack</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-2/#comment-42929</link>
		<dc:creator>jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The negative is that they encourage unsafe bicycling behavior and also unnecessarily increase the complexity of the intersection, which could make it even more dangerous.&quot;

Perhaps true for some cyclists, but don&#039;t sidewalks and curbs also increase complexity and make autos more dangerous since they create a false sense of security for pedestrians and drivers too?  If that&#039;s the criteria then let&#039;s eliminate all stop and speed limit signs also.

At least NYers are willing to experiment and learn while most of America blissfully cruises in SUVs while listening to their favorite iPod tunes and text-messaging.

Good luck and keep us informed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The negative is that they encourage unsafe bicycling behavior and also unnecessarily increase the complexity of the intersection, which could make it even more dangerous."</p>
<p>Perhaps true for some cyclists, but don't sidewalks and curbs also increase complexity and make autos more dangerous since they create a false sense of security for pedestrians and drivers too?  If that's the criteria then let's eliminate all stop and speed limit signs also.</p>
<p>At least NYers are willing to experiment and learn while most of America blissfully cruises in SUVs while listening to their favorite iPod tunes and text-messaging.</p>
<p>Good luck and keep us informed.</p>
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		<title>By: srock</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-2/#comment-42910</link>
		<dc:creator>srock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the bike boxes are a good move and that the double lane is worthwhile because 1) it separates pedestrians from bikers and 2) makes drivers more aware of the fact that there are bikers on the roads.  A separated bike lane is always preferable, but I imagine that the cost is much greater than the paint that is required for boxes or lanes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the bike boxes are a good move and that the double lane is worthwhile because 1) it separates pedestrians from bikers and 2) makes drivers more aware of the fact that there are bikers on the roads.  A separated bike lane is always preferable, but I imagine that the cost is much greater than the paint that is required for boxes or lanes.</p>
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		<title>By: galvo</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-2/#comment-42905</link>
		<dc:creator>galvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i meant to say &quot;bring on the bike box liberation&quot; clowns</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i meant to say "bring on the bike box liberation" clowns</p>
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		<title>By: galvo</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-2/#comment-42903</link>
		<dc:creator>galvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#49 hows that saying food necessity is the mother of invention,
 &quot;lets bring on the bike liberation clowns&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#49 hows that saying food necessity is the mother of invention,<br />
 "lets bring on the bike liberation clowns"</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-1/#comment-42855</link>
		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedestrian&#039;s idea (#46) of a car-free Chambers Street is excellent!  In addition to linking the downtown schools, it would provide a corridor to those commuting from Brooklyn to the WTC/Battery Park City area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedestrian's idea (#46) of a car-free Chambers Street is excellent!  In addition to linking the downtown schools, it would provide a corridor to those commuting from Brooklyn to the WTC/Battery Park City area.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Weaver</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-1/#comment-42847</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like bike lanes, the boxes will only be effective if drivers ACKNOWLEDGE THEM.

I&#039;ve nearly been killed many times by idiots who park in the bike lanes (bad enough) and then suddenly open doors (deadly)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like bike lanes, the boxes will only be effective if drivers ACKNOWLEDGE THEM.</p>
<p>I've nearly been killed many times by idiots who park in the bike lanes (bad enough) and then suddenly open doors (deadly)!</p>
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		<title>By: galvo</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-1/#comment-42767</link>
		<dc:creator>galvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pedestrian , i agree that bike boxes in front of the crosswalks would be a better position.  a new street should be set up this way. on  many existing streets  if you put the bike box in front, the curb cuts would not match up with the crosswalk. street furniture that would block wheelchair access may be in the way if  they tried to reposition the curb cut. This is a good first step.  On many of the streets the flow of traffic is so close, there is no buffer zone to make use of.
i was watching the traffic and peds/bike interaction just east of union square park yesterday around 530pm. The buses traveling adjacent to the sidewalk of the westbound lane are extremely close to the peds, a couple  peds took one half a  step into the traffic lane due to the lack of restriction due to the  curb cut, it is scary to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pedestrian , i agree that bike boxes in front of the crosswalks would be a better position.  a new street should be set up this way. on  many existing streets  if you put the bike box in front, the curb cuts would not match up with the crosswalk. street furniture that would block wheelchair access may be in the way if  they tried to reposition the curb cut. This is a good first step.  On many of the streets the flow of traffic is so close, there is no buffer zone to make use of.<br />
i was watching the traffic and peds/bike interaction just east of union square park yesterday around 530pm. The buses traveling adjacent to the sidewalk of the westbound lane are extremely close to the peds, a couple  peds took one half a  step into the traffic lane due to the lack of restriction due to the  curb cut, it is scary to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-1/#comment-42759</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I may interject on behalf of galvo, it would be very difficult for the cyclist to cross the pedestrian traffic at many intersections to get to a bike box on the other side.  More than enough conflicts.

Also, that would require moving all of the crosswalks backwards, which would be a you-know-what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I may interject on behalf of galvo, it would be very difficult for the cyclist to cross the pedestrian traffic at many intersections to get to a bike box on the other side.  More than enough conflicts.</p>
<p>Also, that would require moving all of the crosswalks backwards, which would be a you-know-what.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedestrian</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-1/#comment-42723</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedestrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The need for auto-free lanes and streets for bikes and pedestrians are obviously overwhelming. We should capitalize on the imminent reduction of government permits to create a handful of auto-free corridors as pilots. I propose Chambers Street. The greenways would be connected. Half a dozen schools and colleges would be instantly accessible by bike from an two-borough catchment area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The need for auto-free lanes and streets for bikes and pedestrians are obviously overwhelming. We should capitalize on the imminent reduction of government permits to create a handful of auto-free corridors as pilots. I propose Chambers Street. The greenways would be connected. Half a dozen schools and colleges would be instantly accessible by bike from an two-borough catchment area.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedestrian</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-1/#comment-42718</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedestrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Galvo, In that case, wouldn&#039;t it be better to have the bike box in FRONT of the crosswalk?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Galvo, In that case, wouldn't it be better to have the bike box in FRONT of the crosswalk?</p>
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		<title>By: galvo</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-1/#comment-42717</link>
		<dc:creator>galvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a prime feature of bike boxes is they free the crosswalk for pedestrians.  As bicyclist we tend to use the crosswalk as the bike box to get that head start to avoid the  right hook. This pisses off peds that are trying to rightfully use their space, the crosswalk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a prime feature of bike boxes is they free the crosswalk for pedestrians.  As bicyclist we tend to use the crosswalk as the bike box to get that head start to avoid the  right hook. This pisses off peds that are trying to rightfully use their space, the crosswalk.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-1/#comment-42716</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, we should take all of our cues from the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials.  They&#039;ve never failed America!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we should take all of our cues from the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials.  They've never failed America!</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Berthet</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-1/#comment-42714</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine Berthet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need PROTECTED bike lanes. Anything else is a waste of tax payers tiem and money .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need PROTECTED bike lanes. Anything else is a waste of tax payers tiem and money .</p>
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		<title>By: pete2</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-1/#comment-42706</link>
		<dc:creator>pete2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the link to the Copenhagen study:

http://tinyurl.com/ywhs52
(the spam filter apparently doesn&#039;t like the full url)

As to why they decided to continue these things despite the safety concerns, here&#039;s the summary:
&quot; Taken in combination, the cycle tracks and lanes which have been constructed have had positive results as far as traffic volumes and feelings of security go. They have however, had negative effects on road safety. The radical effects on traffic volumes resulting from
the construction of cycle tracks will undoubtedly result in gains in health from increased physical activity. These gains are much, much greater than the losses in health resulting from a slight decline in road safety.&quot;

I would say that a 25% increase in injuries is not insignificant. But in any case, what they are saying is that the facilities give a false &quot;perception&quot; of safety and thus attracts bicyclists and this is a good thing because bicycling is so healthy that the gains outweigh the risks. I have some strong ethical concerns about this way of thinking. Why not design facilities that are actually safe, rather than just give the perception of safety?

As to Xue&#039;s statements about &quot;jocks&quot; and 2nd generation facilities:
I am a middle-aged transportational cyclist with health problems that keeps me fairly slow. I basically tootle along. Certainly not a high-speed &quot;jock&quot;. And I find that vehicular bicycling is the easiest and safest way for me to get around by bike.

2nd Generation facilities. What a laugh. I&#039;ve been analyzing these things since the early 70s. By now they must be in their 10th generation. From the beginning it has been obvious that most of these things have, from a traffic safety point of view, fundamental problems. Side paths in urban areas with many street crossings, for instance, were pointed out early on as being incredibly dangerous. They were built anyway and found, surprise, to be incredibly dangerous. So dangerous that the AASHTO - which has the &quot;industry standard&quot; for bike facilities - strongly recommends against them. Yet I see them being built yet again by groups who have no idea of the history of these things. They say, &quot;we&#039;ll work the bugs out in the next generation&quot;. Ha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here's the link to the Copenhagen study:</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/ywhs52" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ywhs52</a><br />
(the spam filter apparently doesn't like the full url)</p>
<p>As to why they decided to continue these things despite the safety concerns, here's the summary:<br />
" Taken in combination, the cycle tracks and lanes which have been constructed have had positive results as far as traffic volumes and feelings of security go. They have however, had negative effects on road safety. The radical effects on traffic volumes resulting from<br />
the construction of cycle tracks will undoubtedly result in gains in health from increased physical activity. These gains are much, much greater than the losses in health resulting from a slight decline in road safety."</p>
<p>I would say that a 25% increase in injuries is not insignificant. But in any case, what they are saying is that the facilities give a false "perception" of safety and thus attracts bicyclists and this is a good thing because bicycling is so healthy that the gains outweigh the risks. I have some strong ethical concerns about this way of thinking. Why not design facilities that are actually safe, rather than just give the perception of safety?</p>
<p>As to Xue's statements about "jocks" and 2nd generation facilities:<br />
I am a middle-aged transportational cyclist with health problems that keeps me fairly slow. I basically tootle along. Certainly not a high-speed "jock". And I find that vehicular bicycling is the easiest and safest way for me to get around by bike.</p>
<p>2nd Generation facilities. What a laugh. I've been analyzing these things since the early 70s. By now they must be in their 10th generation. From the beginning it has been obvious that most of these things have, from a traffic safety point of view, fundamental problems. Side paths in urban areas with many street crossings, for instance, were pointed out early on as being incredibly dangerous. They were built anyway and found, surprise, to be incredibly dangerous. So dangerous that the AASHTO - which has the "industry standard" for bike facilities - strongly recommends against them. Yet I see them being built yet again by groups who have no idea of the history of these things. They say, "we'll work the bugs out in the next generation". Ha!</p>
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		<title>By: peteathome</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/09/how-about-two-bike-lanes-per-street/comment-page-1/#comment-42700</link>
		<dc:creator>peteathome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the link to the Copenhagen study:
http://www.trafitec.dk/pub/sujpubfile/artikler/119_Road%20safety%20and%20percieved%20risk%20of%20cycle%20tracks%20and%20lanes%20in%20Copenhagen_Trafitec_2007.pdf

or
http://tinyurl.com/ywhs52

As to why they decided to continue these things despite the safety concerns, here&#039;s the summary:
&quot; Taken in combination, the cycle tracks and lanes which have been constructed have had positive results as far as traffic volumes and feelings of security go. They have however, had negative effects on road safety. The radical effects on traffic volumes resulting from
the construction of cycle tracks will undoubtedly result in gains in health from increased physical activity. These gains are much, much greater than the losses in health resulting from a slight decline in road safety.&quot;

I would say that a 25% increase in injuries is not insignificant. But in any case, what they are saying is that the facilities give a false &quot;perception&quot; of safety and thus attracts bicyclists and this is a good thing because bicycling is so healthy that the gains outweigh the risks. I have some strong ethical concerns about this way of thinking. Why not design facilities that are actually safe, rather than just give the perception of safety?

As to Xue&#039;s statements about &quot;jocks&quot; and 2nd generation facilities:
I am a middle-aged transportational cyclist with health problems that keeps me fairly slow. I basically tootle along. Certainly not a high-speed &quot;jock&quot;. And I find that vehicular bicycling is the easiest and safest way for me to get around by bike.

2nd Generation facilities. What a laugh. I&#039;ve been analyzing these things since the early 70s. By now they must be in their 10th generation. From the beginning it has been obvious that most of these things have, from a traffic safety point of view, fundamental problems. Side paths in urban areas with many street crossings, for instance, were pointed out early on as being incredibly dangerous. They were built anyway and found, surprise, to be incredibly dangerous. So dangerous that the AASHTO - which has the &quot;industry standard&quot; for bike facilities - strongly recommends against them. Yet I see them being built yet again by groups who have no idea of the history of these things. They say, &quot;we&#039;ll work the bugs out in the next generation&quot;. Ha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here's the link to the Copenhagen study:<br />
<a href="http://www.trafitec.dk/pub/sujpubfile/artikler/119_Road%20safety%20and%20percieved%20risk%20of%20cycle%20tracks%20and%20lanes%20in%20Copenhagen_Trafitec_2007.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.trafitec.dk/pub/sujpubfile/artikler/119_Road%20safety%20and%20percieved%20risk%20of%20cycle%20tracks%20and%20lanes%20in%20Copenhagen_Trafitec_2007.pdf</a></p>
<p>or<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/ywhs52" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ywhs52</a></p>
<p>As to why they decided to continue these things despite the safety concerns, here's the summary:<br />
" Taken in combination, the cycle tracks and lanes which have been constructed have had positive results as far as traffic volumes and feelings of security go. They have however, had negative effects on road safety. The radical effects on traffic volumes resulting from<br />
the construction of cycle tracks will undoubtedly result in gains in health from increased physical activity. These gains are much, much greater than the losses in health resulting from a slight decline in road safety."</p>
<p>I would say that a 25% increase in injuries is not insignificant. But in any case, what they are saying is that the facilities give a false "perception" of safety and thus attracts bicyclists and this is a good thing because bicycling is so healthy that the gains outweigh the risks. I have some strong ethical concerns about this way of thinking. Why not design facilities that are actually safe, rather than just give the perception of safety?</p>
<p>As to Xue's statements about "jocks" and 2nd generation facilities:<br />
I am a middle-aged transportational cyclist with health problems that keeps me fairly slow. I basically tootle along. Certainly not a high-speed "jock". And I find that vehicular bicycling is the easiest and safest way for me to get around by bike.</p>
<p>2nd Generation facilities. What a laugh. I've been analyzing these things since the early 70s. By now they must be in their 10th generation. From the beginning it has been obvious that most of these things have, from a traffic safety point of view, fundamental problems. Side paths in urban areas with many street crossings, for instance, were pointed out early on as being incredibly dangerous. They were built anyway and found, surprise, to be incredibly dangerous. So dangerous that the AASHTO - which has the "industry standard" for bike facilities - strongly recommends against them. Yet I see them being built yet again by groups who have no idea of the history of these things. They say, "we'll work the bugs out in the next generation". Ha!</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
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		<description>Thanks Louis, these are all good points.  More experienced cyclists  will move to the front of the traffic lane even when there is no bike box.  It is a key safety and &quot;right to the road&quot; maneuver, to be encouraged (with bike boxes and otherwise) as much as poissible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Louis, these are all good points.  More experienced cyclists  will move to the front of the traffic lane even when there is no bike box.  It is a key safety and "right to the road" maneuver, to be encouraged (with bike boxes and otherwise) as much as poissible.</p>
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