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	<title>Comments on: When It Comes to Auto Supremacy, No Island Is an Island</title>
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		<title>By: arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The place you&#039;re referring to is Old San Juan, the 400 year old historic district; San Juan is actually a huge metropolitan city comprised of several districts. Unfortunately, there have been many plans to make Old San Juan a car-free zone, most immediately, because the ancient structures were made to sustain horse carriages at most, not SUVs and a constant flux of cars, and for the longer-term livability issues discussed on this blog. However, it is the business owners in the historic district that are the strongest opponents to the car-free plans, arguing that such plans would drive car-accustomed consumers away.

Puerto Rico recently opened a very modern light rail line extending mostly from the San Juan suburbs to the financial and business districts, but it does not extend to Old San Juan, Condado (a South Beach-type district), or the Isla Verde district (where the airport is).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The place you're referring to is Old San Juan, the 400 year old historic district; San Juan is actually a huge metropolitan city comprised of several districts. Unfortunately, there have been many plans to make Old San Juan a car-free zone, most immediately, because the ancient structures were made to sustain horse carriages at most, not SUVs and a constant flux of cars, and for the longer-term livability issues discussed on this blog. However, it is the business owners in the historic district that are the strongest opponents to the car-free plans, arguing that such plans would drive car-accustomed consumers away.</p>
<p>Puerto Rico recently opened a very modern light rail line extending mostly from the San Juan suburbs to the financial and business districts, but it does not extend to Old San Juan, Condado (a South Beach-type district), or the Isla Verde district (where the airport is).</p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to Brads last comment:  The tourist don&#039;t notice the traffic mess because I can bet that most of them are from the US, so its just business as usual for them.  What I&#039;d really like to see is St. Maarten.  It&#039;s been over ten years since I&#039;ve been there but I&#039;d be curious to see if the Dutch and French influences (and tourists) on the island have helped keep the cars somewhat at bay.  My feeling is that it hasn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to Brads last comment:  The tourist don't notice the traffic mess because I can bet that most of them are from the US, so its just business as usual for them.  What I'd really like to see is St. Maarten.  It's been over ten years since I've been there but I'd be curious to see if the Dutch and French influences (and tourists) on the island have helped keep the cars somewhat at bay.  My feeling is that it hasn't.</p>
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		<title>By: Roosevelt Island 360 (Eric)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roosevelt Island 360 (Eric)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BicyclesOnly - 

You are correct our car traffic is much lighter than most neighborhoods.  When the Island was reborn as Roosevelt Island and the residential buildings went up there were NO cars allowed on Main Street unless they were of employees of the two remaining hospitals, maintenance, or delivery vehicles.  

Over time gradually more cars were allowed past the Motorgate Garage that sits on the RI side of the Roosevelt Island Bridge but the fact that there is LIMITED on-street parking has kept the traffic reasonable although during business hours it is becomming more constant and during hospital shift changes it always picks up.  Most cars obey the State Law imposed Pedestrian Yield signs although many car-free residents would love to see speed bumps installed to enusre nobody picks up their speed to much.

And yes the promenades surrounding the Island are completely car free except for public safety and the occasional car making biking and walking a pleasure.

So our &quot;model&quot; is create one central parking area at the only vehicular entrance to the island and then limit the available parking spots to virtually none per capita.

- Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BicyclesOnly - </p>
<p>You are correct our car traffic is much lighter than most neighborhoods.  When the Island was reborn as Roosevelt Island and the residential buildings went up there were NO cars allowed on Main Street unless they were of employees of the two remaining hospitals, maintenance, or delivery vehicles.  </p>
<p>Over time gradually more cars were allowed past the Motorgate Garage that sits on the RI side of the Roosevelt Island Bridge but the fact that there is LIMITED on-street parking has kept the traffic reasonable although during business hours it is becomming more constant and during hospital shift changes it always picks up.  Most cars obey the State Law imposed Pedestrian Yield signs although many car-free residents would love to see speed bumps installed to enusre nobody picks up their speed to much.</p>
<p>And yes the promenades surrounding the Island are completely car free except for public safety and the occasional car making biking and walking a pleasure.</p>
<p>So our "model" is create one central parking area at the only vehicular entrance to the island and then limit the available parking spots to virtually none per capita.</p>
<p>- Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 06:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia has a &quot;List of Carfree Places&quot; that includes several islands:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_carfree_places

It looks like the car-free islands with the highest populations are Venice (pop. 70,000), Cheung Chau (30,000) and Lamma (6,000) in Hong Kong, and Spetses (3,916) and Hydra (2,719) in the Aegean.  Has anyone been to any of these places?  (I&#039;m guessing that some have been to VVenice, at least.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia has a "List of Carfree Places" that includes several islands:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_carfree_places" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_carfree_places</a></p>
<p>It looks like the car-free islands with the highest populations are Venice (pop. 70,000), Cheung Chau (30,000) and Lamma (6,000) in Hong Kong, and Spetses (3,916) and Hydra (2,719) in the Aegean.  Has anyone been to any of these places?  (I'm guessing that some have been to VVenice, at least.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 06:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go to Spain.  The half-dozen neighborhoods comprising central Madrid are refreshingly car-light with many pedestrianized, totally car-free zones.  Segovia and Toledo also blessedly car-light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go to Spain.  The half-dozen neighborhoods comprising central Madrid are refreshingly car-light with many pedestrianized, totally car-free zones.  Segovia and Toledo also blessedly car-light.</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
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		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, I&#039;m not terribly familiar with Roosevelt Island.  I&#039;ve probably visited it about 20 times in as many years.  I happened to take a bike trip there with my daughter last weekend, which is probably why it was on my mind.

Given the restrictions on cars, residents appear to rely upon walking and mass transportation more than on cars or taxis than in any other part of New York City. As a result, it is a safer and more comfortable environment for pedestrians.  On the streets, cars are required to yield at non-signal-controlled pedestrian crossings, just as you see on Main Streets in small towns.  To my eyes, there is more informal chat among people who cross paths on the street there than you see in Manhattan, which I attribute to the people not being inside cars. Those are the aspects of RI that I would like to see fostered in Manhattan, perhaps other parts of New York City.

I&#039;ve never tried to travel to RI by mass transit during rush hour.  Your question suggests that you view the tram and the subway service to be inadequate.  I used to live near the 23rd/Ely stop of the E/F, so I know how packed those trains can be for passengers on the last stop before (or after) Manhattan.  

The line I use most often now is the 6, and it is as full as full can be during rush hour.  And there is certainly plenty of development occurring on the UES.  So the problems RI is facing with development may not be unique.  

I think people may be quicker to recognize the need for improved mass transit to handle the residents in all of the new developments if they do not have the ability to &quot;opt out&quot; by using a car or taxi.  That&#039;s why I propose restricting them as you do on RI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, I'm not terribly familiar with Roosevelt Island.  I've probably visited it about 20 times in as many years.  I happened to take a bike trip there with my daughter last weekend, which is probably why it was on my mind.</p>
<p>Given the restrictions on cars, residents appear to rely upon walking and mass transportation more than on cars or taxis than in any other part of New York City. As a result, it is a safer and more comfortable environment for pedestrians.  On the streets, cars are required to yield at non-signal-controlled pedestrian crossings, just as you see on Main Streets in small towns.  To my eyes, there is more informal chat among people who cross paths on the street there than you see in Manhattan, which I attribute to the people not being inside cars. Those are the aspects of RI that I would like to see fostered in Manhattan, perhaps other parts of New York City.</p>
<p>I've never tried to travel to RI by mass transit during rush hour.  Your question suggests that you view the tram and the subway service to be inadequate.  I used to live near the 23rd/Ely stop of the E/F, so I know how packed those trains can be for passengers on the last stop before (or after) Manhattan.  </p>
<p>The line I use most often now is the 6, and it is as full as full can be during rush hour.  And there is certainly plenty of development occurring on the UES.  So the problems RI is facing with development may not be unique.  </p>
<p>I think people may be quicker to recognize the need for improved mass transit to handle the residents in all of the new developments if they do not have the ability to "opt out" by using a car or taxi.  That's why I propose restricting them as you do on RI.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad to say that Bermuda is also a traffic choked disaster. I was there last year. There are lots of buses but they are stuck in traffic much of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad to say that Bermuda is also a traffic choked disaster. I was there last year. There are lots of buses but they are stuck in traffic much of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Non-residents can not rent cars in Bermuda. Bus and taxi service are both well developed and served by a very competent civil service (many of whom wear -- you got it - Bermuda shorts!)

Jamaica, on the other hand, is a tragedy. A once viable train service has been abandoned, and the single main road that goes through the center of towns and villages is clogged and about to be widened (taking the narrow sidewalks with it). In Negril, there are jitneys for Jamaicans but deemed too dangerous for foreigners, who are essentially forced to use private (and exorbitant) taxis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non-residents can not rent cars in Bermuda. Bus and taxi service are both well developed and served by a very competent civil service (many of whom wear -- you got it - Bermuda shorts!)</p>
<p>Jamaica, on the other hand, is a tragedy. A once viable train service has been abandoned, and the single main road that goes through the center of towns and villages is clogged and about to be widened (taking the narrow sidewalks with it). In Negril, there are jitneys for Jamaicans but deemed too dangerous for foreigners, who are essentially forced to use private (and exorbitant) taxis.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard that Bermuda is better in this way.  Can someone confirm this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've heard that Bermuda is better in this way.  Can someone confirm this?</p>
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		<title>By: Roosevelt Island 360 (Eric)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roosevelt Island 360 (Eric)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BicyclesOnly - Can you expand on what you believe the Roosevelt Island model is?  Right now the model there as the residents see it is to let developers build more and more apartments without expanding the mass transportation infrastructure.  The Island will soon need additional F trains, a ferry service or something to handle the two buildings in progress and the three that are scheduled after that. All part of a nine building Riverwalk complex that did not exist 3 years ago - not even counting the Octagon complex at the North end of the Island which opened 18 months ago - Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BicyclesOnly - Can you expand on what you believe the Roosevelt Island model is?  Right now the model there as the residents see it is to let developers build more and more apartments without expanding the mass transportation infrastructure.  The Island will soon need additional F trains, a ferry service or something to handle the two buildings in progress and the three that are scheduled after that. All part of a nine building Riverwalk complex that did not exist 3 years ago - not even counting the Octagon complex at the North end of the Island which opened 18 months ago - Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This pisses me right off! RIGHT OFF! Now I have to punch my dog.</description>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
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		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The model we should be looking to is Roosevelt Island!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The model we should be looking to is Roosevelt Island!</p>
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