Comments on: Greenway Killer is Sentenced 3½ to 10½ Years http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:37:03 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: evan http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/comment-page-1/#comment-42503 evan Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:46:22 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/#comment-42503 his first parole hearing is after three years... he may be released at any time after that... his first parole hearing is after three years... he may be released at any time after that...

]]> By: Ken http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/comment-page-1/#comment-42435 Ken Sat, 05 Jan 2008 03:12:07 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/#comment-42435 Does anyone know what 3 1/2 to 10 1/2 means in real terms? Does he serve only 3 1/2 if he's good? Half of that, perhaps? Who gets to decide -- the parole board? Also, this guy showed up for sentencing in a hoodie? THAT showed a lot of respect. Does anyone know what 3 1/2 to 10 1/2 means in real terms? Does he serve only 3 1/2 if he's good? Half of that, perhaps? Who gets to decide -- the parole board?

Also, this guy showed up for sentencing in a hoodie? THAT showed a lot of respect.

]]> By: Pedal Power Pete http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/comment-page-1/#comment-42417 Pedal Power Pete Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:52:45 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/#comment-42417 Chelsea Piers establishments, whether it be the restaurants or special events held frequently, that serve alcohol to customers & guests who drive to and park at Chelsea Piers should take steps to protect greenway users. Greenway users every day are placed in harm's way whenever a motorist leaves a Chelsea Piers establishment after having a few drinks. This was made painfully clear with Eric Ng's killing by this motorist. What has changed since? A group of us had attended a community board meeting (CB4?) months ago, when CP was thinking about redesigning entrances over the path; but the agenda item was removed, and we were not able to address the board on the topic. The vulnerability remains, as does Eric Ng's ghostbike, which we will visit this weekend. Chelsea Piers establishments, whether it be the restaurants or special events held frequently, that serve alcohol to customers & guests who drive to and park at Chelsea Piers should take steps to protect greenway users.

Greenway users every day are placed in harm's way whenever a motorist leaves a Chelsea Piers establishment after having a few drinks. This was made painfully clear with Eric Ng's killing by this motorist. What has changed since?

A group of us had attended a community board meeting (CB4?) months ago, when CP was thinking about redesigning entrances over the path; but the agenda item was removed, and we were not able to address the board on the topic.

The vulnerability remains, as does Eric Ng's ghostbike, which we will visit this weekend.

]]> By: Josh http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/comment-page-1/#comment-42415 Josh Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:43:36 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/#comment-42415 #2, while I agree with your general stance about the dangers that can be posed by drivers, this case seems to me to be pretty clearly about a guy who was too drunk to know what he was doing. #2, while I agree with your general stance about the dangers that can be posed by drivers, this case seems to me to be pretty clearly about a guy who was too drunk to know what he was doing.

]]> By: srock http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/comment-page-1/#comment-42414 srock Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:27:59 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/#comment-42414 Thank you for going to the sentencing and writing about it, something which many of the people who knew Eric could not bring themselves to do. Thank you for going to the sentencing and writing about it, something which many of the people who knew Eric could not bring themselves to do.

]]> By: vox ferum http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/comment-page-1/#comment-42413 vox ferum Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:08:16 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/#comment-42413 Mr. Komanoff, Your article and argument are excellent, but your invocation of "Eichmann in Jerusalem" is dangerously hyperbolic and painfully conflationist. The same point-- that law exists not to right wrongs but to restore faith in a system ruptured-- could be made with any number of citations; to pick a passage born from Israel's prosecution of a Nazi pushes your rhetoric into the realm of zealots, blood-thirsty radicals, and blind reactionaries. In other words, it does your otherwise eloquent article a great disservice. Respectfully, Vox Ferum Mr. Komanoff,

Your article and argument are excellent, but your invocation of "Eichmann in Jerusalem" is dangerously hyperbolic and painfully conflationist.

The same point-- that law exists not to right wrongs but to restore faith in a system ruptured-- could be made with any number of citations; to pick a passage born from Israel's prosecution of a Nazi pushes your rhetoric into the realm of zealots, blood-thirsty radicals, and blind reactionaries.

In other words, it does your otherwise eloquent article a great disservice.

Respectfully,
Vox Ferum

]]> By: steveo http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/comment-page-1/#comment-42412 steveo Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:06:08 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/#comment-42412 It's a rare Streetsblog post that can bring tears to my eyes -- thanks for the report, Charlie. It's a rare Streetsblog post that can bring tears to my eyes -- thanks for the report, Charlie.

]]> By: BicyclesOnly http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/comment-page-1/#comment-42411 BicyclesOnly Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:04:01 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/#comment-42411 Thanks for the report Charles. I though Judge Carro's comment that he had "traveled that bike path many times" was interesting. It was not clear to me whether he meant he had actually traveled the path by bike or foot or simply that he had traveled West Street adjacent to the path; I would be interested in how others present interpreted his comment. I also was intrigued by the Judge's emphasis in his remarks to Cidron that intoxication must have been the primary factor in the incident, and that Cidron should acknowledge that. To me, all the emphasis on the role of alcohol tends to deflect attention away from the inherent dangers of motoring and the disregard for the safety of others among a substantial minority of perfectly sober motorists. I really wonder whether alcohol had really caused Cidron to become so uninhibited, or whether he didn't really care much about people who got in the way of his precious car in the first place. Road or Path, A double yellow line means "do not cross" to anyone with a license to drive. There is no way to drive a car up the bike path without driving on top of the double yellow line, which divides to lanes neither of which are side enough to accomodate a car. That is just one of the many indicators that should hit every motorist over the head the minute they think about entering the bike path on a car. Thanks for the report Charles. I though Judge Carro's comment that he had "traveled that bike path many times" was interesting. It was not clear to me whether he meant he had actually traveled the path by bike or foot or simply that he had traveled West Street adjacent to the path; I would be interested in how others present interpreted his comment.

I also was intrigued by the Judge's emphasis in his remarks to Cidron that intoxication must have been the primary factor in the incident, and that Cidron should acknowledge that. To me, all the emphasis on the role of alcohol tends to deflect attention away from the inherent dangers of motoring and the disregard for the safety of others among a substantial minority of perfectly sober motorists. I really wonder whether alcohol had really caused Cidron to become so uninhibited, or whether he didn't really care much about people who got in the way of his precious car in the first place.

Road or Path,

A double yellow line means "do not cross" to anyone with a license to drive. There is no way to drive a car up the bike path without driving on top of the double yellow line, which divides to lanes neither of which are side enough to accomodate a car. That is just one of the many indicators that should hit every motorist over the head the minute they think about entering the bike path on a car.

]]> By: road or path? http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/comment-page-1/#comment-42407 road or path? Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:14:38 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/04/greenway-killer-is-sentenced-3%c2%bd-to-10%c2%bd-years/#comment-42407 Inexcusable and very sad. But the judge is wrong about the path. Sections of the path look exactly like a road --- complete with the double yellow line down the center. Absent bollards and better markings and signage, this is one reason why it is unsafe. A couple of times I've stopped cabbies on the path who honestly thought it was a service road. Inexcusable and very sad. But the judge is wrong about the path. Sections of the path look exactly like a road --- complete with the double yellow line down the center. Absent bollards and better markings and signage, this is one reason why it is unsafe. A couple of times I've stopped cabbies on the path who honestly thought it was a service road.

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