Comments on: January 3rd: The Wrongdoer is Brought to Justice http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: BicyclesOnly http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-42338 BicyclesOnly Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:08:22 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/#comment-42338 Clarence (#7) pretty much hit it . . . Cidron was sentenced to 3 1/2 to 10 1/2 years, though there was no mention of credit for time served. During the sentencing hearing, a few more facts came out that I do not remember hearing at the time of the killing--such as the fact that Cidron was traveling down the West Side bike path at *60 MPH* for a mile before he hit Eric Ng. Unbelievable. Charles seemed to be taking notes at the hearing so I suspect he will have a follow up report to put this in perspective. Clarence (#7) pretty much hit it . . . Cidron was sentenced to 3 1/2 to 10 1/2 years, though there was no mention of credit for time served. During the sentencing hearing, a few more facts came out that I do not remember hearing at the time of the killing–such as the fact that Cidron was traveling down the West Side bike path at *60 MPH* for a mile before he hit Eric Ng. Unbelievable.

Charles seemed to be taking notes at the hearing so I suspect he will have a follow up report to put this in perspective.

]]> By: galvo http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-42207 galvo Tue, 25 Dec 2007 02:18:27 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/#comment-42207 #10 mike, are we sure state DOT is responsible for the path, how about the traffic signals? i have been writing to city dot since july concerning traffic signals on the greenway that no longer direct vehicle traffic, but are still adjacent,facing, and lower like the official greenway bicycle signals. Danger factor is they are conflicting to the bicycle signals. http://tinyurl.com/354tnt #10 mike, are we sure state DOT is responsible for the path, how about the traffic signals?
i have been writing to city dot since july concerning traffic signals on the greenway that no longer direct vehicle traffic, but are still adjacent,facing, and lower like the official greenway bicycle signals. Danger factor is they are conflicting to the bicycle signals.
http://tinyurl.com/354tnt

]]> By: Mike http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-42199 Mike Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:59:04 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/#comment-42199 #4 (Charles): Do the paths in Berkeley have thousands of tightly crowded people, going at multiple different speeds (e.g. walker, rollerblader, slow biker, fast biker) going by them every day? It's different than a lone path with occasional traffic. General comment: The path is maintained by STATE DOT, not city DOT. I think city DOT has nothing to do with the hudson river path except may be an advisory role. #4 (Charles): Do the paths in Berkeley have thousands of tightly crowded people, going at multiple different speeds (e.g. walker, rollerblader, slow biker, fast biker) going by them every day? It’s different than a lone path with occasional traffic.

General comment: The path is maintained by STATE DOT, not city DOT. I think city DOT has nothing to do with the hudson river path except may be an advisory role.

]]> By: galvo http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-42190 galvo Sun, 23 Dec 2007 04:02:29 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/#comment-42190 http://tinyurl.com/2m7htg queens courier article , Police believe that 46-year-old Juan Franjul had been speeding away from the scene of another accident when he hit Jacob, and Franjul was charged with speeding, failure to stop at a red light, leaving the scene of a fatality and leaving the scene of property damage. "On Tuesday, January 15, Franjul is scheduled to appear in Queens Criminal Court, said a spokesperson for Queens District Attorney Richard Brown. " http://tinyurl.com/2m7htg
queens courier article ,
Police believe that 46-year-old Juan Franjul had been speeding away from the scene of another accident when he hit Jacob, and Franjul was charged with speeding, failure to stop at a red light, leaving the scene of a fatality and leaving the scene of property damage.
“On Tuesday, January 15, Franjul is scheduled to appear in Queens Criminal Court, said a spokesperson for Queens District Attorney Richard Brown. “

]]> By: Stacy http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-42179 Stacy Sat, 22 Dec 2007 03:18:57 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/#comment-42179 PM That section of the bike path is in Hudson River Park but according to the story on the TA website, which originally appeared in The Villager, the bike path was built by DOT. Either way, Tully seems to be the usual subcontractor for the bike path and is also the subcontractor doing the Houston Street project as well as the Bleecker Street and Prince Street bike lanes. IT;s probably easier for each city agency to hire Tully than to try to build and maintain a bike paths on their own. There are a number of city agencies that regularly drive on the bike path including Parks, Sanitation, NYPD and their mounted unit located near the tow pound. Id's not uncommon to see a stray cab or a car full of tourists wander onto the path near the ferry or Circleline terminal, but they usually figure out they've made a wrong turn immediately. Until this happened, I doubt anyone thought some drunk driver would wander onto the path. PM
That section of the bike path is in Hudson River Park but according to the story on the TA website, which originally appeared in The Villager, the bike path was built by DOT. Either way, Tully seems to be the usual subcontractor for the bike path and is also the subcontractor doing the Houston Street project as well as the Bleecker Street and Prince Street bike lanes. IT;s probably easier for each city agency to hire Tully than to try to build and maintain a bike paths on their own.

There are a number of city agencies that regularly drive on the bike path including Parks, Sanitation, NYPD and their mounted unit located near the tow pound. Id’s not uncommon to see a stray cab or a car full of tourists wander onto the path near the ferry or Circleline terminal, but they usually figure out they’ve made a wrong turn immediately. Until this happened, I doubt anyone thought some drunk driver would wander onto the path.

]]> By: Clarence Darrow http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-42178 Clarence Darrow Sat, 22 Dec 2007 03:08:34 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/#comment-42178 Dude, don't make a scene. That would be tacky and the court officers would throw you out in a heartbeat. The defendant will go upstate for 3 1/2 minus time served to this point, and he'll be paroled at the first opportunity...He got what he deserved. He won't max out. You can bet on it. If you disagree, then follow up with your assemblyman and or state senator to make the necessary amendments to Article 1190 VTL... Dude, don’t make a scene. That would be tacky and the court officers would throw you out in a heartbeat. The defendant will go upstate for 3 1/2 minus time served to this point, and he’ll be paroled at the first opportunity…He got what he deserved. He won’t max out. You can bet on it. If you disagree, then follow up with your assemblyman and or state senator to make the necessary amendments to Article 1190 VTL…

]]> By: PM http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-42174 PM Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:12:16 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/#comment-42174 i think the path is run by hudson river park, not dot. i heard the flexible bollards were not there at the time of the crash. the park took them down for the winter because they thought it would be too much work to remove them if it snowed. after the crash, they put them back up but did a good job of keeping the fact that they weren't there on the down low. fixed posts plus thousands of cyclists a day plus joggers and rollerbladers is a recipe for about 10 serious injuries a year. if your handlebars or pedals clip a post pollard you are going down; the flexible ones give way. yes it would seem safe like berkeley because 99.999% of bike would go by safely but why cause that many crashes when the bright yellow flexible ones do the job (has anyone driven a car on the path since last winter?) i think the path is run by hudson river park, not dot.

i heard the flexible bollards were not there at the time of the crash. the park took them down for the winter because they thought it would be too much work to remove them if it snowed. after the crash, they put them back up but did a good job of keeping the fact that they weren’t there on the down low.

fixed posts plus thousands of cyclists a day plus joggers and rollerbladers is a recipe for about 10 serious injuries a year. if your handlebars or pedals clip a post pollard you are going down; the flexible ones give way. yes it would seem safe like berkeley because 99.999% of bike would go by safely but why cause that many crashes when the bright yellow flexible ones do the job (has anyone driven a car on the path since last winter?)

]]> By: Stacy http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-42173 Stacy Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:32:14 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/#comment-42173 George, I believe there were flexible bollards that the driver broke when he entered the bike path, just south of Chelsea Piers. DOT replaced those and several others along the route in the days following. Perhaps something more substantial, like retractible bollards, would keep unauthorized vehicles out and still allow access to Parks and Sanitation Department vehicles George,
I believe there were flexible bollards that the driver broke when he entered the bike path, just south of Chelsea Piers. DOT replaced those and several others along the route in the days following. Perhaps something more substantial, like retractible bollards, would keep unauthorized vehicles out and still allow access to Parks and Sanitation Department vehicles

]]> By: Charles Siegel http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-42170 Charles Siegel Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:05:13 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/#comment-42170 In Berkeley, we have bollards at every intersection of a bike path and a street, so cars on the street cannot drive into the bike path. I have never heard any complaints that they are dangerous (and people in Berkeley are famous for complaining). In Berkeley, we have bollards at every intersection of a bike path and a street, so cars on the street cannot drive into the bike path. I have never heard any complaints that they are dangerous (and people in Berkeley are famous for complaining).

]]> By: Mike http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-42167 Mike Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:15:25 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/#comment-42167 Might not bollards in the middle of the bike path injure plenty of bicyclists? Might not bollards in the middle of the bike path injure plenty of bicyclists?

]]> By: Andy B from Jersey http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-42157 Andy B from Jersey Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:05:08 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/#comment-42157 It's not "harsh or bloody-minded." Its called justice. It’s not “harsh or bloody-minded.” Its called justice.

]]> By: Charles Siegel http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-42148 Charles Siegel Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:46:18 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/21/january-3rd-the-wrongdoer-is-brought-to-justice/#comment-42148 Shouldn't there be occasional bollards in the middle of that bike path, so lunatics like this can hit a bollard and injure themselves instead of hitting a bicyclist? Shouldn’t there be occasional bollards in the middle of that bike path, so lunatics like this can hit a bollard and injure themselves instead of hitting a bicyclist?

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