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		<title>By: galvo</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/19/rocky-road/comment-page-1/#comment-42188</link>
		<dc:creator>galvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>empire city subway has been building and maintaining the telco conduits and manholes since the 1890&#039;s. i think the standards were higher pre divesture, 1980&#039;s , now it is a free for all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>empire city subway has been building and maintaining the telco conduits and manholes since the 1890&#8242;s. i think the standards were higher pre divesture, 1980&#8242;s , now it is a free for all</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/19/rocky-road/comment-page-1/#comment-42144</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This city website recommended by #17 is really quite good. It&#039;s a little education about the different types of potholes, what causes them, and  who repairs them. Check it out at http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/home/home.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This city website recommended by #17 is really quite good. It&#8217;s a little education about the different types of potholes, what causes them, and  who repairs them. Check it out at <a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/home/home.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/home/home.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/19/rocky-road/comment-page-1/#comment-42117</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The crocodiles are so full of fat little French children that they have no room for wires!

Seriously, the Paris sewer museum is a must-see for any urbanist visitor.  Sure, you should go up in the Eiffel Tower, visit the Vieux Louvre, ride the trams, stroll the boulevards and rent a Vélib.  But the sewer museum is where it&#039;s at.  And it&#039;s much less crowded than the Eiffel Tower.

Sadly, the official web page is only in French.  The English list of museums doesn&#039;t even mention it, but there&#039;s a Wikipedia page.

http://www.paris.fr/portail/Culture/Portal.lut?page_id=5885&amp;document_type_id=5&amp;document_id=5943&amp;portlet_id=13165
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Sewer_Museum

I also recommend the canal tours.

http://www.canauxrama.com/saint-martin.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The crocodiles are so full of fat little French children that they have no room for wires!</p>
<p>Seriously, the Paris sewer museum is a must-see for any urbanist visitor.  Sure, you should go up in the Eiffel Tower, visit the Vieux Louvre, ride the trams, stroll the boulevards and rent a Vélib.  But the sewer museum is where it&#8217;s at.  And it&#8217;s much less crowded than the Eiffel Tower.</p>
<p>Sadly, the official web page is only in French.  The English list of museums doesn&#8217;t even mention it, but there&#8217;s a Wikipedia page.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.paris.fr/portail/Culture/Portal.lut?page_id=5885&#038;document_type_id=5&#038;document_id=5943&#038;portlet_id=13165" rel="nofollow">http://www.paris.fr/portail/Culture/Portal.lut?page_id=5885&#038;document_type_id=5&#038;document_id=5943&#038;portlet_id=13165</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Sewer_Museum" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Sewer_Museum</a></p>
<p>I also recommend the canal tours.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.canauxrama.com/saint-martin.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.canauxrama.com/saint-martin.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/19/rocky-road/comment-page-1/#comment-42115</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the crocodiles in the Paris sewers? Don&#039;t they eat the wires?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the crocodiles in the Paris sewers? Don&#8217;t they eat the wires?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/19/rocky-road/comment-page-1/#comment-42113</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments folks, I always learn something. Like this report in comment 19 that Germany actually digs its streets deeper than us, and thus avoids many of the maintenance problems we have. I had no idea. 

Commenter 21 is correct in that Paris does house many of its utility lines in the relatively cavernous sewers that Haussmann installed in Paris in the 1850s. These sewers actually have little street signs in them, and you can walk through them and know exactly where you are. You can see the pipes and cables that handle water, electricity, phone lines, etc. neatly housed in the upper part of the curved ceilings. I talk about this in my book Beneath the Metropolis, as  paulb said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments folks, I always learn something. Like this report in comment 19 that Germany actually digs its streets deeper than us, and thus avoids many of the maintenance problems we have. I had no idea. </p>
<p>Commenter 21 is correct in that Paris does house many of its utility lines in the relatively cavernous sewers that Haussmann installed in Paris in the 1850s. These sewers actually have little street signs in them, and you can walk through them and know exactly where you are. You can see the pipes and cables that handle water, electricity, phone lines, etc. neatly housed in the upper part of the curved ceilings. I talk about this in my book Beneath the Metropolis, as  paulb said.</p>
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		<title>By: paulb</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/19/rocky-road/comment-page-1/#comment-42066</link>
		<dc:creator>paulb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, in his book Beneath the Metropolis Alex describes how Paris runs its utility lines along the ceilings of its sewer tunnels. It&#039;s pretty good.

The thing is, as I see it, alongside the physical infrastructure there&#039;s also a figurative infrastructure of systems for training, apprenticeship, promotions, career paths, organization of departments.... Traditions. That&#039;s what really makes those glassy streets and hissing, smooth trains possible. The DOT and the subway people have state of the art equipment. It just doesn&#039;t produce state of the art results.

Still, I&#039;m not sure I really want a European system here and I wonder when somebody makes a speech about turning New York into some kind of a &quot;Copenhagen on the Hudson.&quot;

I&#039;m veering off topic ain&#039;t I? The city could do a better job of paving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, in his book Beneath the Metropolis Alex describes how Paris runs its utility lines along the ceilings of its sewer tunnels. It&#8217;s pretty good.</p>
<p>The thing is, as I see it, alongside the physical infrastructure there&#8217;s also a figurative infrastructure of systems for training, apprenticeship, promotions, career paths, organization of departments&#8230;. Traditions. That&#8217;s what really makes those glassy streets and hissing, smooth trains possible. The DOT and the subway people have state of the art equipment. It just doesn&#8217;t produce state of the art results.</p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;m not sure I really want a European system here and I wonder when somebody makes a speech about turning New York into some kind of a &#8220;Copenhagen on the Hudson.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m veering off topic ain&#8217;t I? The city could do a better job of paving.</p>
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		<title>By: Niccolo Machiavelli</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/19/rocky-road/comment-page-1/#comment-42061</link>
		<dc:creator>Niccolo Machiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah the Germans have great engineers and great trains.  But our engineers know about the frost line too.  We have a much higher level of privatization of services and contracting, many overlapping political jurisdictions and a much lower level of taxation.  

Most of the transportation infrastructure in Europe is funded by the very high gas taxes.  Choices abound.  But since they trust each other and their governments enough to actually tax and spend together for the civic good they have both better roads and better mass transit (and better bike lanes) than we do.

What is third world about us is our primitive, atavistic, distrust of each other and our political leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah the Germans have great engineers and great trains.  But our engineers know about the frost line too.  We have a much higher level of privatization of services and contracting, many overlapping political jurisdictions and a much lower level of taxation.  </p>
<p>Most of the transportation infrastructure in Europe is funded by the very high gas taxes.  Choices abound.  But since they trust each other and their governments enough to actually tax and spend together for the civic good they have both better roads and better mass transit (and better bike lanes) than we do.</p>
<p>What is third world about us is our primitive, atavistic, distrust of each other and our political leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/19/rocky-road/comment-page-1/#comment-42059</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We ARE a third world country in many ways when it comes to roads.  Potholes are just about nonexistent in many NW European cities and there, just about all the utilities are underground.  I&#039;ve never seen a utility cut in any Germany city street.

Also when they build a city street in Germany the foundation starts about 3 feet below the final road surface which puts it BELOW THE FROST LINE.  What a concept!  Put the base of the road below the frost line then you&#039;ll never have to worry about frost heaving.  This is civil engineering 101.  Build it right the first time and then you can forget about it for the next 50 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We ARE a third world country in many ways when it comes to roads.  Potholes are just about nonexistent in many NW European cities and there, just about all the utilities are underground.  I&#8217;ve never seen a utility cut in any Germany city street.</p>
<p>Also when they build a city street in Germany the foundation starts about 3 feet below the final road surface which puts it BELOW THE FROST LINE.  What a concept!  Put the base of the road below the frost line then you&#8217;ll never have to worry about frost heaving.  This is civil engineering 101.  Build it right the first time and then you can forget about it for the next 50 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/19/rocky-road/comment-page-1/#comment-42053</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trolley tracks are regular and straight and easily avoided.  Potholes and sinkholes and construction plates are haphazard and dangerous as hell.  Cut Alex some slack.

Besides, if there were more trolleys, they might provide a sometime alternative to cycling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trolley tracks are regular and straight and easily avoided.  Potholes and sinkholes and construction plates are haphazard and dangerous as hell.  Cut Alex some slack.</p>
<p>Besides, if there were more trolleys, they might provide a sometime alternative to cycling.</p>
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		<title>By: Obs</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/19/rocky-road/comment-page-1/#comment-42052</link>
		<dc:creator>Obs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paving is actually front and center on DOT&#039;s web site - www.nyc.gov/dot 

Says repaving is up and includes a &quot;know your enemy&quot; recognition feature for potholes, cuts etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paving is actually front and center on DOT&#8217;s web site &#8211; <a href="http://www.nyc.gov/dot" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyc.gov/dot</a> </p>
<p>Says repaving is up and includes a &#8220;know your enemy&#8221; recognition feature for potholes, cuts etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Hi, I'm Rags</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/19/rocky-road/comment-page-1/#comment-42049</link>
		<dc:creator>Hi, I'm Rags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not have the company that does the repair mark it in some way, like with a piece of plastic in the asphalt similar to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.toynbee.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Toynbee tiles&lt;/a&gt;?  Then, allow these companies to be sued by adjacent building owners or by anyone who gets injured by a bad repair?

I used to live in the West Village, on a cobblestone street that was degenerating into a dirt road.  This was when they were putting in cable TV and the guys who put the cobbles back would have no idea what they were doing.  3 months after they left the stones were like Shane McGowan&#039;s teeth.  The parts of the cobblestone pavement that had never been torn up were so smooth you could bike comfortably on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not have the company that does the repair mark it in some way, like with a piece of plastic in the asphalt similar to the <a href="http://www.toynbee.net/" rel="nofollow">Toynbee tiles</a>?  Then, allow these companies to be sued by adjacent building owners or by anyone who gets injured by a bad repair?</p>
<p>I used to live in the West Village, on a cobblestone street that was degenerating into a dirt road.  This was when they were putting in cable TV and the guys who put the cobbles back would have no idea what they were doing.  3 months after they left the stones were like Shane McGowan&#8217;s teeth.  The parts of the cobblestone pavement that had never been torn up were so smooth you could bike comfortably on them.</p>
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		<title>By: mfs</title>
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		<dc:creator>mfs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget that most of the cities in Europe you look up to totally rebuilt their infrastructure shortly following WWII.  That&#039;s why they have more Combined Heat and Power plants, as well as combined utility conduits.

Of course, we&#039;ve had 70 years to catch up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget that most of the cities in Europe you look up to totally rebuilt their infrastructure shortly following WWII.  That&#8217;s why they have more Combined Heat and Power plants, as well as combined utility conduits.</p>
<p>Of course, we&#8217;ve had 70 years to catch up.</p>
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		<title>By: Ando</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/19/rocky-road/comment-page-1/#comment-42045</link>
		<dc:creator>Ando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Semis cause a whole lot of damage to roads because of their weight. Think how many of those you see around. And it never seems like the traffic police feel like enforcing where they can and shouldn&#039;t go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Semis cause a whole lot of damage to roads because of their weight. Think how many of those you see around. And it never seems like the traffic police feel like enforcing where they can and shouldn&#8217;t go.</p>
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		<title>By: flp</title>
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		<dc:creator>flp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@10

ha ha ha hoo hee ha ha!

oh, jeez, inter agency communication?!  now THAT is a laugh!</description>
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<p>ha ha ha hoo hee ha ha!</p>
<p>oh, jeez, inter agency communication?!  now THAT is a laugh!</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/19/rocky-road/comment-page-1/#comment-42041</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;When I see tracks in the street, I see, in your words this week, &quot;surfaces that can only be described as poor and frankly dangerous for someone on a bike.&quot;

&gt;Comment by Jonathan

Are a lot of bikers riding in the middle of the streets these days? At least you know when/where to expect rails in the street.

Maybe Jonathan just needs to take a chill pill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;When I see tracks in the street, I see, in your words this week, &#8220;surfaces that can only be described as poor and frankly dangerous for someone on a bike.&#8221;</p>
<p>&gt;Comment by Jonathan</p>
<p>Are a lot of bikers riding in the middle of the streets these days? At least you know when/where to expect rails in the street.</p>
<p>Maybe Jonathan just needs to take a chill pill.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don&#039;t understand why we have to tear the streets up for every little utility job.  My dad lived above Columbus Avenue for thirty years, and one day he said to me, &quot;Why don&#039;t they just put in a tunnel that&#039;s big enough for all the utilities they can imagine, and for someone to crawl through and repair them when necessary?&quot;

I mean, okay, you probably don&#039;t want electric lines catching on fire next to natural gas and steam pipes, but other than that, why not just run a single tunnel?  There must be cities that do this.  You could even &lt;a href=&quot;http://users.ameritech.net/chicagotunnel/tunnel1x.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;run freight trains&lt;/a&gt; through them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t understand why we have to tear the streets up for every little utility job.  My dad lived above Columbus Avenue for thirty years, and one day he said to me, &#8220;Why don&#8217;t they just put in a tunnel that&#8217;s big enough for all the utilities they can imagine, and for someone to crawl through and repair them when necessary?&#8221;</p>
<p>I mean, okay, you probably don&#8217;t want electric lines catching on fire next to natural gas and steam pipes, but other than that, why not just run a single tunnel?  There must be cities that do this.  You could even <a href="http://users.ameritech.net/chicagotunnel/tunnel1x.html" rel="nofollow">run freight trains</a> through them.</p>
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		<title>By: ln</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/19/rocky-road/comment-page-1/#comment-42038</link>
		<dc:creator>ln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just my route or do all the utility cuts seem to go straight through the bike lane?

How about all the agencies actually talking to each other and fixing the infastructure when they repave the street? On our block, it took about 2 weeks after repaving the street before some private company tore a hole in it to fix something or other then paved it over badly

And of course it takes forever or never to repaint the bike lane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just my route or do all the utility cuts seem to go straight through the bike lane?</p>
<p>How about all the agencies actually talking to each other and fixing the infastructure when they repave the street? On our block, it took about 2 weeks after repaving the street before some private company tore a hole in it to fix something or other then paved it over badly</p>
<p>And of course it takes forever or never to repaint the bike lane.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Carey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;You are starting to sound like a senile aunt who 
&gt;just likes to complain and has her hearing aid 
&gt;turned down too far to hear any cogent responses.

OUCH!  Must we be so abrasive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;You are starting to sound like a senile aunt who<br />
&gt;just likes to complain and has her hearing aid<br />
&gt;turned down too far to hear any cogent responses.</p>
<p>OUCH!  Must we be so abrasive?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/19/rocky-road/comment-page-1/#comment-42028</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/04/good-streets-include-streetcars/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;two weeks ago&lt;/a&gt; you were complaining about how there weren&#039;t any more streetcars, this month you&#039;re complaining about crummy road surfaces. 

When I see tracks in the street, I see, in your words this week, &quot;surfaces that can only be described as poor and frankly dangerous for someone on a bike.&quot; 

Is it too much to ask for a little consistency in your posts? You are starting to sound like a senile aunt who just likes to complain and has her hearing aid turned down too far to hear any cogent responses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/04/good-streets-include-streetcars/" rel="nofollow">two weeks ago</a> you were complaining about how there weren&#8217;t any more streetcars, this month you&#8217;re complaining about crummy road surfaces. </p>
<p>When I see tracks in the street, I see, in your words this week, &#8220;surfaces that can only be described as poor and frankly dangerous for someone on a bike.&#8221; </p>
<p>Is it too much to ask for a little consistency in your posts? You are starting to sound like a senile aunt who just likes to complain and has her hearing aid turned down too far to hear any cogent responses.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Siegel</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/19/rocky-road/comment-page-1/#comment-42027</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear that utility cut repairs often don&#039;t last, even when they are initially done well.  When the road surface expands in the summer and contracts in the winter, it opens gaps between the patch and the rest of the roadway.  When water gets in those gaps, it can make the patch subside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear that utility cut repairs often don&#8217;t last, even when they are initially done well.  When the road surface expands in the summer and contracts in the winter, it opens gaps between the patch and the rest of the roadway.  When water gets in those gaps, it can make the patch subside.</p>
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