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	<title>Comments on: City Pedestrian Crossings Are Discriminatory by Design</title>
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		<title>By: mdesiderio</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/17/city-pedestrian-crossings-are-discriminatory-by-design/comment-page-1/#comment-42007</link>
		<dc:creator>mdesiderio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that 4 or 6 lanes to cross is way too much for elderly people. Why large streets in NYC (and anywhere else) could not be &quot;split in half&quot;, so that people can cross in two times? There are existing solutions (modifying the infrastructure) to make road crossing easier for everybody. 

I will probably write an article on my transportation blog (Transport Information Group) someday soon about road safety and fatality rate and will discuss this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that 4 or 6 lanes to cross is way too much for elderly people. Why large streets in NYC (and anywhere else) could not be "split in half", so that people can cross in two times? There are existing solutions (modifying the infrastructure) to make road crossing easier for everybody. </p>
<p>I will probably write an article on my transportation blog (Transport Information Group) someday soon about road safety and fatality rate and will discuss this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/17/city-pedestrian-crossings-are-discriminatory-by-design/comment-page-1/#comment-41955</link>
		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedestrian safety has to be physical just like driver safety, i.e., safety belts, air bags, etc.  If cars cannot not be made safe around pedestrians, they should not be around pedestrians.  It is just that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedestrian safety has to be physical just like driver safety, i.e., safety belts, air bags, etc.  If cars cannot not be made safe around pedestrians, they should not be around pedestrians.  It is just that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: flp</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/17/city-pedestrian-crossings-are-discriminatory-by-design/comment-page-1/#comment-41944</link>
		<dc:creator>flp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, jonathan, i would agree if i truly felt that they actually were busy doing those things.  more often than not, i see them sitting idle in their patrol cars while multiple infractions are committed right under their noses.

sure, there are arguments about jurisdiction, blah, blah, blah, blah.  i do not buy these arguments either, because more resources can always be found to handle different jurisdictions and more of those related to traffic infractions.  there is no way the nypd cannot claim to lack those resources, since they always seem to have enough to blow on stupid campaigns, such as critical mass (well over $1.3 million by now) and anti-RNC demonstration harrassment, and countless lawsuits stemming from various acts of police brutality, harrassment and general civil rights violations.  sheesh, i could go on here.

the bottom line is that just a little more effort by the nypd, and, really, it would not require much, would make a huge difference.  

full disclosure, i am no fan of a daddy-state, etc, but, we are talking about rules that are already there for good reasons, not about new, frivolous rules about where to sell hot dogs, take pictures, and hail non-yellow cabs, etc, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, jonathan, i would agree if i truly felt that they actually were busy doing those things.  more often than not, i see them sitting idle in their patrol cars while multiple infractions are committed right under their noses.</p>
<p>sure, there are arguments about jurisdiction, blah, blah, blah, blah.  i do not buy these arguments either, because more resources can always be found to handle different jurisdictions and more of those related to traffic infractions.  there is no way the nypd cannot claim to lack those resources, since they always seem to have enough to blow on stupid campaigns, such as critical mass (well over $1.3 million by now) and anti-RNC demonstration harrassment, and countless lawsuits stemming from various acts of police brutality, harrassment and general civil rights violations.  sheesh, i could go on here.</p>
<p>the bottom line is that just a little more effort by the nypd, and, really, it would not require much, would make a huge difference.  </p>
<p>full disclosure, i am no fan of a daddy-state, etc, but, we are talking about rules that are already there for good reasons, not about new, frivolous rules about where to sell hot dogs, take pictures, and hail non-yellow cabs, etc, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>enforcement &amp; ln, while I agree that these things are all illegal, cops are busy now doing other things that are important to society, like finding lost children, keeping battered women safe from their abusers, and getting guns off the streets. 

I&#039;d rather focus attention on building safer streets that have more room for pedestrians and bikers and less room for cars. Sounds safer to me, even without a cop watching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>enforcement &amp; ln, while I agree that these things are all illegal, cops are busy now doing other things that are important to society, like finding lost children, keeping battered women safe from their abusers, and getting guns off the streets. </p>
<p>I'd rather focus attention on building safer streets that have more room for pedestrians and bikers and less room for cars. Sounds safer to me, even without a cop watching.</p>
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		<title>By: enforcement</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/12/17/city-pedestrian-crossings-are-discriminatory-by-design/comment-page-1/#comment-41933</link>
		<dc:creator>enforcement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>goof points, LN.

the city needs powers to deploy unlimited red light and speed cameras, fines need to increase substantially, prosecutors must dramatically increase their prosecution and conviction rate for reckless drivers who maim and kill, and the cops need to change their metrics and prioritization of enforcement resources. 

i heard that T.A. is busting on all this in &#039;08 in addition to the awesome work they are already doing on this and other fronts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>goof points, LN.</p>
<p>the city needs powers to deploy unlimited red light and speed cameras, fines need to increase substantially, prosecutors must dramatically increase their prosecution and conviction rate for reckless drivers who maim and kill, and the cops need to change their metrics and prioritization of enforcement resources. </p>
<p>i heard that T.A. is busting on all this in '08 in addition to the awesome work they are already doing on this and other fronts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ryan. There&#039;s no control group of 15-65 year-old adults in the study; don&#039;t younger generations do the same things (speeding up when crossing wider streets, waiting in the street to cross) that the study noticed in seniors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ryan. There's no control group of 15-65 year-old adults in the study; don't younger generations do the same things (speeding up when crossing wider streets, waiting in the street to cross) that the study noticed in seniors?</p>
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		<title>By: ln</title>
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		<dc:creator>ln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wider streets, blaming pedestrians for bad behavior, driver education, timing lights. None of that is going to save lives until the NYPD starts enforcing laws that are on the books. They can start with their own behavior.

It&#039;s illegal to run red lights.
It&#039;s illegal to turn on red in NYC
It&#039;s illegal to not yield to pedestrians and cyclists when turning.
It&#039;s illegal to speed.

If a death or injury occurs because drivers break those laws, they MIGHT get a summons, no more unless they are drunk.

If just those laws were enforced, and theres plenty more, many many lives could have been saved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wider streets, blaming pedestrians for bad behavior, driver education, timing lights. None of that is going to save lives until the NYPD starts enforcing laws that are on the books. They can start with their own behavior.</p>
<p>It's illegal to run red lights.<br />
It's illegal to turn on red in NYC<br />
It's illegal to not yield to pedestrians and cyclists when turning.<br />
It's illegal to speed.</p>
<p>If a death or injury occurs because drivers break those laws, they MIGHT get a summons, no more unless they are drunk.</p>
<p>If just those laws were enforced, and theres plenty more, many many lives could have been saved.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Motorists were considered not yielding to pedestrians if they proceeded into the crosswalk during the pedestrian walk phase without slowing their speed so as to avoid conflict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Motorists were considered not yielding to pedestrians if they proceeded into the crosswalk during the pedestrian walk phase without slowing their speed so as to avoid conflict.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to sound callous, but pedestrians don&#039;t get enough priority as it is. Why should we be nitpicking and pulling apart the nuances of war between flesh and steel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to sound callous, but pedestrians don't get enough priority as it is. Why should we be nitpicking and pulling apart the nuances of war between flesh and steel?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Siegel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An ideal cause for the Daily News: 

Only one person thought it was still safe for x to cross the street - and that was x.

For years, friends told the 72-year-old to &quot;stop walking around the city.&quot;

His two sons were so worried about their dad they offered him a car.

&quot;We told him so many times, &#039;Don&#039;t walk across the street.  95% of drivers fail to yield to elderly pedestrians who are crossing.&#039;&quot; 

The elder x brushed such demands aside, saying he loved walking too much to quit. It was that fondness for experiencing the city on two feet that cost him his life Thursday night when he crashed into a charter bus in midtown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An ideal cause for the Daily News: </p>
<p>Only one person thought it was still safe for x to cross the street - and that was x.</p>
<p>For years, friends told the 72-year-old to "stop walking around the city."</p>
<p>His two sons were so worried about their dad they offered him a car.</p>
<p>"We told him so many times, 'Don't walk across the street.  95% of drivers fail to yield to elderly pedestrians who are crossing.'" </p>
<p>The elder x brushed such demands aside, saying he loved walking too much to quit. It was that fondness for experiencing the city on two feet that cost him his life Thursday night when he crashed into a charter bus in midtown.</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
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		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What criterion was used to determine whether the motorist yielded to a pedestrian?  Keeping out of the crosswalk as long as there is a pedestrian in any portion of it?  I couldn&#039;t find this in the study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What criterion was used to determine whether the motorist yielded to a pedestrian?  Keeping out of the crosswalk as long as there is a pedestrian in any portion of it?  I couldn't find this in the study.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I could take credit for it, but it&#039;s a TA pic. (Credit appended.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could take credit for it, but it's a TA pic. (Credit appended.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great picture, Brad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great picture, Brad!</p>
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