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	<title>Comments on: Its Showtime for the DOT Parking Team</title>
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		<title>By: Gangster52</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/30/showtime-dot-parking-team-meets-harlems-motoring-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-139531</link>
		<dc:creator>Gangster52</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does he make the tenuous jump from collective culture to superstitious people cowed into passivity? ,</description>
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		<title>By: Anne (www.sustainableflatbush.org)</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/30/showtime-dot-parking-team-meets-harlems-motoring-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-41099</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne (www.sustainableflatbush.org)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;all the emphasis on how congestion pricing and parking reform will help the poor&quot; is primarily in response to the political grandstanding being done by politicians who claim to speak for low-income new yorkers. those guys want it both ways: create the appearance of representing &quot;the people&quot; when in fact they are representing the 20% (or less) you mention who fund their campaigns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;all the emphasis on how congestion pricing and parking reform will help the poor&#8221; is primarily in response to the political grandstanding being done by politicians who claim to speak for low-income new yorkers. those guys want it both ways: create the appearance of representing &#8220;the people&#8221; when in fact they are representing the 20% (or less) you mention who fund their campaigns.</p>
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		<title>By: mf</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/30/showtime-dot-parking-team-meets-harlems-motoring-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-41096</link>
		<dc:creator>mf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if all the emphasis on how congestion pricing and parking reform will help the poor is actually hurting from a political standpoint. Doesn&#039;t politics run on money? If you&#039;re an elected official who needs to fund raise, maybe your constituents are the 20% of car owners who you think have the cash to contribute to your campaign.

Perhaps we (advocates for livable streets) should remind the politicians that it&#039;s not just welfare recipients who are car free, but that those without cars can be a potent political force...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if all the emphasis on how congestion pricing and parking reform will help the poor is actually hurting from a political standpoint. Doesn&#8217;t politics run on money? If you&#8217;re an elected official who needs to fund raise, maybe your constituents are the 20% of car owners who you think have the cash to contribute to your campaign.</p>
<p>Perhaps we (advocates for livable streets) should remind the politicians that it&#8217;s not just welfare recipients who are car free, but that those without cars can be a potent political force&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/30/showtime-dot-parking-team-meets-harlems-motoring-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-41057</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, harris, JF, Dan and Sproule for each making some interesting points about the higher-level semiotic aspects of motorcar ownership. If you haven&#039;t already done so, check out the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/27/eliminate-the-parking-requirement/#comment-40985&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; link in the parking-space zoning thread&lt;/a&gt; to the André Gorz article on motorcars as luxury goods. &lt;blockquote&gt;Unlike the vacuum cleaner, the radio, or the bicycle, which retain their use value when everyone has one, the car, like a villa by the sea, is only desirable and useful insofar as the masses don&#039;t have one. That is how in both conception and original purpose the car is a luxury good. And the essence of luxury is that it cannot be democratised. If everyone can have luxury, no one gets any advantages from it. On the contrary, everyone diddles, cheats, and frustrates everyone else, and is diddled, cheated, and frustrated in return.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I guess I am led to ask this: why are we so in thrall to this will-o&#039;-the-wisp concept of motorcars-as-luxury-good that the very real effects that motorcars have on health, morbidity and quality of life are minimized or ignored, even by people who claim to represent a wider perspective?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, harris, JF, Dan and Sproule for each making some interesting points about the higher-level semiotic aspects of motorcar ownership. If you haven&#8217;t already done so, check out the <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/27/eliminate-the-parking-requirement/#comment-40985" rel="nofollow"> link in the parking-space zoning thread</a> to the André Gorz article on motorcars as luxury goods.<br />
<blockquote>Unlike the vacuum cleaner, the radio, or the bicycle, which retain their use value when everyone has one, the car, like a villa by the sea, is only desirable and useful insofar as the masses don&#8217;t have one. That is how in both conception and original purpose the car is a luxury good. And the essence of luxury is that it cannot be democratised. If everyone can have luxury, no one gets any advantages from it. On the contrary, everyone diddles, cheats, and frustrates everyone else, and is diddled, cheated, and frustrated in return.</blockquote></p>
<p>I guess I am led to ask this: why are we so in thrall to this will-o&#8217;-the-wisp concept of motorcars-as-luxury-good that the very real effects that motorcars have on health, morbidity and quality of life are minimized or ignored, even by people who claim to represent a wider perspective?</p>
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		<title>By: Will H</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/30/showtime-dot-parking-team-meets-harlems-motoring-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-41054</link>
		<dc:creator>Will H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;low income blacks&quot; are not the people driving in Harlem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;low income blacks&#8221; are not the people driving in Harlem.</p>
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		<title>By: Sproule Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sproule Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, in this case I would argue that the racial/social justice component could be productive. I agree with JF - the issue of parking policy and car use in Harlem is about poor behavior in this neighborhood negatively affecting the people who live here, not simply rich white greens judging low income blacks about taste or habits. 

Harlem has unique environmental/transportation issues, namely the shocking asthma problem, which ranks high among NYC&#039;s environmental justice hotspots. We should frame the parking discussion in Harlem as addressing the unfortunate inequity of lower income minority neighborhoods bearing the brunt of negative environmental impact of traffic, waste disposal, power generation, etc. Bad behavior like cruising, double parking and 150db car stereos just adds insult to injury.

socialscientist: 

Your vague web page on externalities is exactly  the kind of inexact philosophizing that gets us nowhere. C&#039;mon, Streetsblogger&#039;s like data. Break it down for us...how would free transit in New York work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, in this case I would argue that the racial/social justice component could be productive. I agree with JF &#8211; the issue of parking policy and car use in Harlem is about poor behavior in this neighborhood negatively affecting the people who live here, not simply rich white greens judging low income blacks about taste or habits. </p>
<p>Harlem has unique environmental/transportation issues, namely the shocking asthma problem, which ranks high among NYC&#8217;s environmental justice hotspots. We should frame the parking discussion in Harlem as addressing the unfortunate inequity of lower income minority neighborhoods bearing the brunt of negative environmental impact of traffic, waste disposal, power generation, etc. Bad behavior like cruising, double parking and 150db car stereos just adds insult to injury.</p>
<p>socialscientist: </p>
<p>Your vague web page on externalities is exactly  the kind of inexact philosophizing that gets us nowhere. C&#8217;mon, Streetsblogger&#8217;s like data. Break it down for us&#8230;how would free transit in New York work?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/30/showtime-dot-parking-team-meets-harlems-motoring-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-41032</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
I knew that a Harris type of comment would eventually pop up in this thread.

Harris&#039;s comment exemplifies why it is so often just impossible to have substantive policy discussion in NYC. All policy discussion breaks down, almost immediately, into racial and identity politics. This political correction ends up styming policy discussion rather than forwarding it. It&#039;s deeply counter productive. 

Harris finds some comments in this thread &quot;offensive?&quot; Which comments exactly? I&#039;m hard pressed to find anything offensive above. This just seems like the typical thing where a Harris pops in and simply tries to chill the conversation by inserting the racial issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew that a Harris type of comment would eventually pop up in this thread.</p>
<p>Harris&#8217;s comment exemplifies why it is so often just impossible to have substantive policy discussion in NYC. All policy discussion breaks down, almost immediately, into racial and identity politics. This political correction ends up styming policy discussion rather than forwarding it. It&#8217;s deeply counter productive. </p>
<p>Harris finds some comments in this thread &#8220;offensive?&#8221; Which comments exactly? I&#8217;m hard pressed to find anything offensive above. This just seems like the typical thing where a Harris pops in and simply tries to chill the conversation by inserting the racial issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/30/showtime-dot-parking-team-meets-harlems-motoring-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-41029</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In neighborhoods like Harlem and others outside the CBD, being able to own (which means park and use) a car is equivalent to being able to work out of your apartment or loft for people living in the CBD.  Both are essential to many of their residents&#039; livelihoods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In neighborhoods like Harlem and others outside the CBD, being able to own (which means park and use) a car is equivalent to being able to work out of your apartment or loft for people living in the CBD.  Both are essential to many of their residents&#8217; livelihoods.</p>
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		<title>By: harris</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/30/showtime-dot-parking-team-meets-harlems-motoring-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-41028</link>
		<dc:creator>harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it&#039;s nice for us (urban dwelling, jane jacobs admiring, public transit lovers) to talk to ourselves.  As a native new yorker with roots in Harlem and SE Queens I find some of the comments offensive.  Native Harlemites are experiencing quite a bit of change and are caught in a whirlwind of activity and necessity to make quick decisions.  In addition, Harlem is one in a list of NYC communities (like SE Queens and the South Bronx) where owning a car represents something other that getting from one place to another quickly.  I know many can&#039;t relate but don&#039;t look down your nose - it&#039;s extremely condescending. None of us can get anywhere with a holier than though attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s nice for us (urban dwelling, jane jacobs admiring, public transit lovers) to talk to ourselves.  As a native new yorker with roots in Harlem and SE Queens I find some of the comments offensive.  Native Harlemites are experiencing quite a bit of change and are caught in a whirlwind of activity and necessity to make quick decisions.  In addition, Harlem is one in a list of NYC communities (like SE Queens and the South Bronx) where owning a car represents something other that getting from one place to another quickly.  I know many can&#8217;t relate but don&#8217;t look down your nose &#8211; it&#8217;s extremely condescending. None of us can get anywhere with a holier than though attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/30/showtime-dot-parking-team-meets-harlems-motoring-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-41012</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The congestion charge works for London but there&#039;s always alot of hype before the lauunch of such schemes. People love their cars!

Once people get onto public transport they stay on it. There&#039;s not much point doing part car journey/part public transport as it&#039;s too stressful.

For those few who insist on parking around places like Harlem residents can be protected by &#039;resident zones/permits&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The congestion charge works for London but there&#8217;s always alot of hype before the lauunch of such schemes. People love their cars!</p>
<p>Once people get onto public transport they stay on it. There&#8217;s not much point doing part car journey/part public transport as it&#8217;s too stressful.</p>
<p>For those few who insist on parking around places like Harlem residents can be protected by &#8216;resident zones/permits&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/30/showtime-dot-parking-team-meets-harlems-motoring-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-41004</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Davis, &quot;We already have no-parking signs and parking meters and fire hydrants. The cops park in front of all these things with total impunity.&quot;

I talked to a friend of mine, a NYC police officer, about permit parking today. One of his neighbors kept calling the NYPD because my friend habitually parked near the hydrant in front of their apartment building. Eventually my friend got summoned to his borough command and was told never to park there again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Davis, &#8220;We already have no-parking signs and parking meters and fire hydrants. The cops park in front of all these things with total impunity.&#8221;</p>
<p>I talked to a friend of mine, a NYC police officer, about permit parking today. One of his neighbors kept calling the NYPD because my friend habitually parked near the hydrant in front of their apartment building. Eventually my friend got summoned to his borough command and was told never to park there again.</p>
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		<title>By: Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nix,

Do you really think that putting up a bunch of street signs is going to solve this particular problem? We already have no parking signs and parking meters and fire hydrants. The cops park in front of all of these things with total impunity. 

I&#039;m pretty tired of reading your same old rant over and over again so I&#039;m going to get a little bit uncivil here and suggest that you wake the f up already. 

You more than anyone else should be clamoring for the State Assembly to allow NYC to install automated, camera-based pricing and enforcement systems. Unlike NYPD parking agents, software isn&#039;t going to pick and choose which cars to hit with fees and fines based on a crappily photocopied placard and PBA sticker on the dashboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nix,</p>
<p>Do you really think that putting up a bunch of street signs is going to solve this particular problem? We already have no parking signs and parking meters and fire hydrants. The cops park in front of all of these things with total impunity. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty tired of reading your same old rant over and over again so I&#8217;m going to get a little bit uncivil here and suggest that you wake the f up already. </p>
<p>You more than anyone else should be clamoring for the State Assembly to allow NYC to install automated, camera-based pricing and enforcement systems. Unlike NYPD parking agents, software isn&#8217;t going to pick and choose which cars to hit with fees and fines based on a crappily photocopied placard and PBA sticker on the dashboard.</p>
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		<title>By: D Futterman</title>
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		<dc:creator>D Futterman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do DOT placard signs really matter in the face of massive abuse and non-enforcement by law enforcement? As uncivilservants.org documents ad nauseaum, the lack of good parking rules is less a problem than enforcing the existing rules. Cops and traffic agents* are part of the same culture of motoring entitlement that this article highlights in Harlem.  

* The civilian agents are probably afraid to ticket placard cars since their drivers are higher up the bureaucratic food chain (and some carry guns.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do DOT placard signs really matter in the face of massive abuse and non-enforcement by law enforcement? As uncivilservants.org documents ad nauseaum, the lack of good parking rules is less a problem than enforcing the existing rules. Cops and traffic agents* are part of the same culture of motoring entitlement that this article highlights in Harlem.  </p>
<p>* The civilian agents are probably afraid to ticket placard cars since their drivers are higher up the bureaucratic food chain (and some carry guns.)</p>
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		<title>By: NixIllegalPermitAbuse_Then let's talk</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/30/showtime-dot-parking-team-meets-harlems-motoring-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-40998</link>
		<dc:creator>NixIllegalPermitAbuse_Then let's talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Schaller will propose the posting of No Permit Parking signs so that government sector employees will stop using their permits to commute, parking all day illegally, taking up residential parking spaces.  Simple signs stating &quot;No Permit Parking&quot; or &quot;Permit Parking 3-Hour Limit&quot; would stop enticing thousands of government sector commuters with permits who come in and park for &quot;free&quot;, albeit illegally.  This is especially true in downtown Manhattan, a designated D.O.T. No Permit Area, where thousands of parking violations occur every working day by government sector commuters abusing their permits.  We need &quot;No Permit Parking&quot; signs (which, by the way, would cost practically nothing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Schaller will propose the posting of No Permit Parking signs so that government sector employees will stop using their permits to commute, parking all day illegally, taking up residential parking spaces.  Simple signs stating &#8220;No Permit Parking&#8221; or &#8220;Permit Parking 3-Hour Limit&#8221; would stop enticing thousands of government sector commuters with permits who come in and park for &#8220;free&#8221;, albeit illegally.  This is especially true in downtown Manhattan, a designated D.O.T. No Permit Area, where thousands of parking violations occur every working day by government sector commuters abusing their permits.  We need &#8220;No Permit Parking&#8221; signs (which, by the way, would cost practically nothing).</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bartlett</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/30/showtime-dot-parking-team-meets-harlems-motoring-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-40989</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stands to reason it is the perfect time for riders to stop paying anything. The city and state have cut support for transit for decades and the MTA has big time money problems. How about nobody anywhere pays anything for transit? Let&#039;s get back to that thread on free everything. That was real useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stands to reason it is the perfect time for riders to stop paying anything. The city and state have cut support for transit for decades and the MTA has big time money problems. How about nobody anywhere pays anything for transit? Let&#8217;s get back to that thread on free everything. That was real useful.</p>
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		<title>By: socialscientist</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/30/showtime-dot-parking-team-meets-harlems-motoring-minority/comment-page-1/#comment-40988</link>
		<dc:creator>socialscientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Global warming prophets were called &quot;cranks&quot;. We have ten years to make a significant dent in GW. Currently world auto ownership is increasing 5%/yr and oil demand 2.02%/yr. China put 500 bullet trains into service in 2007. The U.S. needs to show some leadership. Free public transit has been shown to work and will spread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global warming prophets were called &#8220;cranks&#8221;. We have ten years to make a significant dent in GW. Currently world auto ownership is increasing 5%/yr and oil demand 2.02%/yr. China put 500 bullet trains into service in 2007. The U.S. needs to show some leadership. Free public transit has been shown to work and will spread.</p>
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		<title>By: Sproule Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sproule Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the auto is eliminated? You need to listen to more Jan Gehl. I don&#039;t need to ban cars from Manhattan, just want to get a fair share of the streetscape for cyclsits and peds. When you don&#039;t provide any rationale for your &quot;path&quot; you only sound like a crank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the auto is eliminated? You need to listen to more Jan Gehl. I don&#8217;t need to ban cars from Manhattan, just want to get a fair share of the streetscape for cyclsits and peds. When you don&#8217;t provide any rationale for your &#8220;path&#8221; you only sound like a crank.</p>
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		<title>By: socialscientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>socialscientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sproule - see Externalities for the return on FPT social investement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sproule &#8211; see Externalities for the return on FPT social investement.</p>
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		<title>By: socialscientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>socialscientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is paying for the carbon dioxide subsidy to the oil/coal/auto industry? Remove that subsidy. Another subsidy, oil wars, is about USD 11M/hr, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is paying for the carbon dioxide subsidy to the oil/coal/auto industry? Remove that subsidy. Another subsidy, oil wars, is about USD 11M/hr, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: socialscientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>socialscientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your cycling will be safer when the auto is elminated. The path to that is FPT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your cycling will be safer when the auto is elminated. The path to that is FPT.</p>
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