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	<title>Comments on: New Bleecker Bike Lane Already Blocked by Parked Cars</title>
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		<title>By: matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/28/motorists-already-double-parking-in-the-new-bleecker-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-53023</link>
		<dc:creator>matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bicycle lanes are new to the manhattan car culture. it takes time to re-educate drivers and introduce bike culture and &quot;sharing the road.&quot; mayor bloomberg has been amazingly helpful with the greening of nyc. kudos. he has made an official proclamation declaring sept. 20th, 2008 the official &quot;bicycle for a day&quot; day. to learn more:
www.bicycleforaday.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bicycle lanes are new to the manhattan car culture. it takes time to re-educate drivers and introduce bike culture and "sharing the road." mayor bloomberg has been amazingly helpful with the greening of nyc. kudos. he has made an official proclamation declaring sept. 20th, 2008 the official "bicycle for a day" day. to learn more:<br />
<a href="http://www.bicycleforaday.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.bicycleforaday.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They put a bike box at Bleecker and Broadway?  Sweet!

(Haven&#039;t been there on my bike in a few months.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They put a bike box at Bleecker and Broadway?  Sweet!</p>
<p>(Haven't been there on my bike in a few months.)</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
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		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jonathan.  Despite all the bike lane violators, you find less double parking in the bike lane than on streets with no bike lane, and interactions with moving traffic are more pleasant with the lane there.  I am a huge supporter of separated bike lanes, we definitely need more of them but painted lanes have their place in the network.  

Bicyclists can do a lot to educate motorists not to park in the bike lane or open doors into them.  However folks should bear in mind that it is illegal to leave things under people&#039;s windshields.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jonathan.  Despite all the bike lane violators, you find less double parking in the bike lane than on streets with no bike lane, and interactions with moving traffic are more pleasant with the lane there.  I am a huge supporter of separated bike lanes, we definitely need more of them but painted lanes have their place in the network.  </p>
<p>Bicyclists can do a lot to educate motorists not to park in the bike lane or open doors into them.  However folks should bear in mind that it is illegal to leave things under people's windshields.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I leave a positive message here? Last night I biked along nearly the entire Cross-Manhattan [Bike] Expressway, from 23d and 9th all the way down Hudson St, all the way on Bleecker St, and then for good measure I made a left on Lafayette and finally left the bike facility at Astor Place.

There were only two vehicles blocking the lane the whole way (two miles). It was really pleasant biking. I especially like the bike box on Bleecker and Broadway. 

I&#039;ve been taking that route for years (without turning on Lafayette), and to have the same route now with bike facilities is like an early Christmas present. Thank you, DOT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I leave a positive message here? Last night I biked along nearly the entire Cross-Manhattan [Bike] Expressway, from 23d and 9th all the way down Hudson St, all the way on Bleecker St, and then for good measure I made a left on Lafayette and finally left the bike facility at Astor Place.</p>
<p>There were only two vehicles blocking the lane the whole way (two miles). It was really pleasant biking. I especially like the bike box on Bleecker and Broadway. </p>
<p>I've been taking that route for years (without turning on Lafayette), and to have the same route now with bike facilities is like an early Christmas present. Thank you, DOT!</p>
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		<title>By: flp</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/28/motorists-already-double-parking-in-the-new-bleecker-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-40939</link>
		<dc:creator>flp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>per stacy: &quot;Originally this as intended as a safer alternative to Houston Street. As a local area resident, I find Houston Street, at least traveling East between Sixth Avenue and LaGuardia Place/ West Broadway, to be a safer route than the current Bleecker Street Bike lane.&quot;

YES!!!  i would, once again, go further by saying that ALL of houston street is a better route!  i also want to point out, yes, AGAIN, that the DOT (and a number of individuals and agencies) sold bikers&#039;, pedestrians&#039; and livable streets advocates&#039; rights to a SAfE HOUSTON st down the proverbial river.  no, i am not giving up on the real problem here - houston sreet.  

hey, while they are at it, why doesn&#039;t the city rename houston st to the &quot;i-love-robert-moses-run-over-the-bikers-and-pedestrians speedway&quot; and place mose&#039;s likeness in each intersection?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>per stacy: "Originally this as intended as a safer alternative to Houston Street. As a local area resident, I find Houston Street, at least traveling East between Sixth Avenue and LaGuardia Place/ West Broadway, to be a safer route than the current Bleecker Street Bike lane."</p>
<p>YES!!!  i would, once again, go further by saying that ALL of houston street is a better route!  i also want to point out, yes, AGAIN, that the DOT (and a number of individuals and agencies) sold bikers', pedestrians' and livable streets advocates' rights to a SAfE HOUSTON st down the proverbial river.  no, i am not giving up on the real problem here - houston sreet.  </p>
<p>hey, while they are at it, why doesn't the city rename houston st to the "i-love-robert-moses-run-over-the-bikers-and-pedestrians speedway" and place mose's likeness in each intersection?</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan: My comments about jumping the light was more of an observation. If DOT&#039;s intended to &#039;curb&#039; this kind of behavior then placing the bike lane on the left was an effective choice. Obviously Bleecker Street parking regulations aren&#039;t influenced by the number of cyclists, or pedestrians for that matter, jumping the light at Sixth Avenue.

Steve: Bleecker Street is wider in some areas and some sections are straighter in some places than others. The bike lane may be more successful in some stretches than others.  The turn at Sixth is definitely a trouble spot.

Originally this as intended as a safer alternative to Houston Street. As a local area resident, I find Houston Street, at least traveling East between Sixth Avenue and LaGuardia Place/ West Broadway, to be a safer route than the current Bleecker Street Bike lane. Maybe this will change with the addition of logos on Bleecker or the return of east bound traffic on Houston..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan: My comments about jumping the light was more of an observation. If DOT's intended to 'curb' this kind of behavior then placing the bike lane on the left was an effective choice. Obviously Bleecker Street parking regulations aren't influenced by the number of cyclists, or pedestrians for that matter, jumping the light at Sixth Avenue.</p>
<p>Steve: Bleecker Street is wider in some areas and some sections are straighter in some places than others. The bike lane may be more successful in some stretches than others.  The turn at Sixth is definitely a trouble spot.</p>
<p>Originally this as intended as a safer alternative to Houston Street. As a local area resident, I find Houston Street, at least traveling East between Sixth Avenue and LaGuardia Place/ West Broadway, to be a safer route than the current Bleecker Street Bike lane. Maybe this will change with the addition of logos on Bleecker or the return of east bound traffic on Houston..</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its time to have small stickers printed that will be placed on the giant SUV&#039;s.  Something simple that gets them thinking.  &quot;CO2&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its time to have small stickers printed that will be placed on the giant SUV's.  Something simple that gets them thinking.  "CO2"</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dart, b&#039;way is indeed hellish, perhaps the least respected bike lane in Manhattan.  However I am often in the First Ave. bike lane (north of 72nd and often it to be almost as bad.  Maybe my faith in bike lanes is colored by my regular use of the UWS and UES crosstown lanes with my kids (which is not to say those lanes are not also abused, see MyBikeLane).  We need accurate data.  I have a FOIL request into the Dep&#039;t of Finance to get all the bike lane summons data in electronic form, but they are resisting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dart, b'way is indeed hellish, perhaps the least respected bike lane in Manhattan.  However I am often in the First Ave. bike lane (north of 72nd and often it to be almost as bad.  Maybe my faith in bike lanes is colored by my regular use of the UWS and UES crosstown lanes with my kids (which is not to say those lanes are not also abused, see MyBikeLane).  We need accurate data.  I have a FOIL request into the Dep't of Finance to get all the bike lane summons data in electronic form, but they are resisting.</p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I propose deflating the tires of, or keying the sides of, any car parked in a bike lane. If it&#039;s a cop car, as it often is, it would be nice to just flip the fucking thing over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I propose deflating the tires of, or keying the sides of, any car parked in a bike lane. If it's a cop car, as it often is, it would be nice to just flip the fucking thing over.</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, if we&#039;re including Avenues in this discussion, I have to say I completely disagree that Class II bike lanes have a bearing on how much people double park.  I say they have none.

Anecdotal, but try part of my evening commute some weekday around 5pm:  down Broadway from Columbus Circle to Union Square.  Stick to the bike lane (except in Times and Herald Squares, where there&#039;s none) and I PROMISE you that you will not get more than one full block without having to weave into a car lane because of various hazards, mostly double-parkers.  I absolutely feel more vulnerable doing that than staying in straight line in a car lane--WHERE I CAN BE SEEN.  I don&#039;t feel &quot;plain stupid&quot; staying in a car lane, and I&#039;m NOT the fastest cyclist, on my lumbering mountain bike.  

Of course not all these Avenues host the same behavior, but other anecdotal evidence is my morning commute, up 1st Ave.  There&#039;s no bike lane on that stretch, and, well, I don&#039;t see much double parking at all.

On a recent Sunday afternoon, I rode out to Flushing.  I saw that 34th Ave. had a class II lane, so I took it.  Amazingly, there was the same amount of bike lane double-parking as in my evening commute!  About every other block!  So into and out of the car lane I wove...

Now, maybe my opinion comes from how the vast majority of my miles are commuting, on big Avenues.  Maybe I wouldn&#039;t be so adamant if I rode on local streets more.  But for adults on big Avenues in present-day conditions, I&#039;ll continue to recommend riding in the car lane, visibly, as safer.

Incidentally, here&#039;s a year old picture of how effective bike lanes are at preventing double parking: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10798592@N08/2073246818/

Also, Steve, I do agree that &quot;This is NYC, people ignore rules if they can get away with it.&quot;  

And that&#039;s why I still think this would work on one-way avenues:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10798592@N08/1414440531/
(check out the larger view to see what the lane markings say)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, if we're including Avenues in this discussion, I have to say I completely disagree that Class II bike lanes have a bearing on how much people double park.  I say they have none.</p>
<p>Anecdotal, but try part of my evening commute some weekday around 5pm:  down Broadway from Columbus Circle to Union Square.  Stick to the bike lane (except in Times and Herald Squares, where there's none) and I PROMISE you that you will not get more than one full block without having to weave into a car lane because of various hazards, mostly double-parkers.  I absolutely feel more vulnerable doing that than staying in straight line in a car lane--WHERE I CAN BE SEEN.  I don't feel "plain stupid" staying in a car lane, and I'm NOT the fastest cyclist, on my lumbering mountain bike.  </p>
<p>Of course not all these Avenues host the same behavior, but other anecdotal evidence is my morning commute, up 1st Ave.  There's no bike lane on that stretch, and, well, I don't see much double parking at all.</p>
<p>On a recent Sunday afternoon, I rode out to Flushing.  I saw that 34th Ave. had a class II lane, so I took it.  Amazingly, there was the same amount of bike lane double-parking as in my evening commute!  About every other block!  So into and out of the car lane I wove...</p>
<p>Now, maybe my opinion comes from how the vast majority of my miles are commuting, on big Avenues.  Maybe I wouldn't be so adamant if I rode on local streets more.  But for adults on big Avenues in present-day conditions, I'll continue to recommend riding in the car lane, visibly, as safer.</p>
<p>Incidentally, here's a year old picture of how effective bike lanes are at preventing double parking:<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/10798592@N08/2073246818/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/10798592@N08/2073246818/</a></p>
<p>Also, Steve, I do agree that "This is NYC, people ignore rules if they can get away with it."  </p>
<p>And that's why I still think this would work on one-way avenues:<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/10798592@N08/1414440531/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/10798592@N08/1414440531/</a><br />
(check out the larger view to see what the lane markings say)</p>
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		<title>By: Dane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just,

Is Curbed&#039;s lux condo real estate agent demo representative of the average New Yorker? Is it not little and solipsistic and smug? 

I stopped going to Curbed a while ago because the comments section is almost completely filled with angry, venomous, anonymous ranting. Not just about Streetsbloggish issues -- but about everything. 

So, thanks for the suggestion but I think I&#039;m going to pass. There is almost nothing in the Curbed comments section that is worth reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just,</p>
<p>Is Curbed's lux condo real estate agent demo representative of the average New Yorker? Is it not little and solipsistic and smug? </p>
<p>I stopped going to Curbed a while ago because the comments section is almost completely filled with angry, venomous, anonymous ranting. Not just about Streetsbloggish issues -- but about everything. </p>
<p>So, thanks for the suggestion but I think I'm going to pass. There is almost nothing in the Curbed comments section that is worth reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NotAnIPhoneOwnerEither, you&#039;ve got the law wrong.  NYC bicyclists are not required to use bike lanes unless they are available and safe.  If you are traveling at 15+ MPH, its not safe to ride in the door zone.  Bicyclists get ticketed for riding outside the lane only one Friday a month, in a particular neighborhood.  If you disagree let&#039;s hear some empirical or even anecdotal evidence.

It is completely realistic for those moving at ~5 MPH to ride in a painted lane in the door zone.  They can identify and respond to the dooring hazard in time to avoid a serious injury, and they will expereince fewer conflicts with motorists eager to travel faster.  

And dart, I don&#039; see how the bike lane is relevant to in the &quot;in and out&quot; issue.  I rode home tonight up Third Ave. and I was constantly moving in and out around the double-parked cars and cabs picking up and dropping off passengers.  If there is even 10% less double-parking on a street with a bike lane than one without (and I think it is significantly better than that), then there is 10% less in-and-out.  The only way  around the in-and-out problem (aside from physically separated lanes) is to ride up the middle of the road, which is just plain stupid for all but the fastest and most skilled bicyclists to do on a 3-5 lane one-way roadway. 

Glennq is right that enforcement can help, though it is by no means a panacea.  The TEA who write the summonses need to be told that they can give a car two violations if it is double-parked in the bike lane, one for double parking and one for blocking the bike lane.  I think drivers would get the idea pretty quick and start double parking opposite, rather than in the bike lane.

Stacy, just because some  motorists ignore the painted lanes (in particular, when they are new and not fully installed with decals), that&#039;s no reason to declare the lanes a failure.  This is NYC, people ignore rules if they can get away with it.  When you&#039;re disembarking from  a subway car onto a crowded platform and people trying to enter are preventing you from exiting, what do you do?  Stay on the subway and miss your stop because you are afraid to ask them, motion them or even push them aside?  Is there a reason to take a fundamentally different approach when someone is crowding your space on the road? 

And Just Curious, Curbed is entertaining and can be a good source of info but 90%+ of the commenters there are just nasty idiots, not &quot;average New Yorkers.&quot;  If you think the quality of dialogue on Curbed is superior to what you find here, by all means go and don&#039;t come back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NotAnIPhoneOwnerEither, you've got the law wrong.  NYC bicyclists are not required to use bike lanes unless they are available and safe.  If you are traveling at 15+ MPH, its not safe to ride in the door zone.  Bicyclists get ticketed for riding outside the lane only one Friday a month, in a particular neighborhood.  If you disagree let's hear some empirical or even anecdotal evidence.</p>
<p>It is completely realistic for those moving at ~5 MPH to ride in a painted lane in the door zone.  They can identify and respond to the dooring hazard in time to avoid a serious injury, and they will expereince fewer conflicts with motorists eager to travel faster.  </p>
<p>And dart, I don' see how the bike lane is relevant to in the "in and out" issue.  I rode home tonight up Third Ave. and I was constantly moving in and out around the double-parked cars and cabs picking up and dropping off passengers.  If there is even 10% less double-parking on a street with a bike lane than one without (and I think it is significantly better than that), then there is 10% less in-and-out.  The only way  around the in-and-out problem (aside from physically separated lanes) is to ride up the middle of the road, which is just plain stupid for all but the fastest and most skilled bicyclists to do on a 3-5 lane one-way roadway. </p>
<p>Glennq is right that enforcement can help, though it is by no means a panacea.  The TEA who write the summonses need to be told that they can give a car two violations if it is double-parked in the bike lane, one for double parking and one for blocking the bike lane.  I think drivers would get the idea pretty quick and start double parking opposite, rather than in the bike lane.</p>
<p>Stacy, just because some  motorists ignore the painted lanes (in particular, when they are new and not fully installed with decals), that's no reason to declare the lanes a failure.  This is NYC, people ignore rules if they can get away with it.  When you're disembarking from  a subway car onto a crowded platform and people trying to enter are preventing you from exiting, what do you do?  Stay on the subway and miss your stop because you are afraid to ask them, motion them or even push them aside?  Is there a reason to take a fundamentally different approach when someone is crowding your space on the road? </p>
<p>And Just Curious, Curbed is entertaining and can be a good source of info but 90%+ of the commenters there are just nasty idiots, not "average New Yorkers."  If you think the quality of dialogue on Curbed is superior to what you find here, by all means go and don't come back.</p>
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		<title>By: Y Bike?</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/28/motorists-already-double-parking-in-the-new-bleecker-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-40892</link>
		<dc:creator>Y Bike?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Promoting biking is good politics and good policy.  Survey after survey shows New Yorkers want to bike. They want more greenways, bike lanes and bike parking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Promoting biking is good politics and good policy.  Survey after survey shows New Yorkers want to bike. They want more greenways, bike lanes and bike parking.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/28/motorists-already-double-parking-in-the-new-bleecker-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-40891</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Curbed is the representation of the average NYer and Streetsblog is just a bunch of egocentric whiners...?  I&#039;ve heard a lot more uninformed whining on Curbed than Streetsblog but maybe that&#039;s just my limited personal experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Curbed is the representation of the average NYer and Streetsblog is just a bunch of egocentric whiners...?  I've heard a lot more uninformed whining on Curbed than Streetsblog but maybe that's just my limited personal experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Just curious?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just curious?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please go to Curbed.com and read what the average New Yorker thinks of cyclists and bike lanes.

You blog away here day after day in your little solipsistic world and just don&#039;t get it.

Read what others think about you, and stop blaming everyone else, smug in your self-righteousness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please go to Curbed.com and read what the average New Yorker thinks of cyclists and bike lanes.</p>
<p>You blog away here day after day in your little solipsistic world and just don't get it.</p>
<p>Read what others think about you, and stop blaming everyone else, smug in your self-righteousness.</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/28/motorists-already-double-parking-in-the-new-bleecker-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-40887</link>
		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, not clear.  Let the bike lane be there for &quot;kids, seniors and beginners,&quot; but OPTIONAL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, not clear.  Let the bike lane be there for "kids, seniors and beginners," but OPTIONAL.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/28/motorists-already-double-parking-in-the-new-bleecker-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-40886</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stacy, if you feel it&#039;s okay to &quot;jump the Sixth Avenue light,&quot; why shouldn&#039;t the truck drivers feel it&#039;s okay to park in the bike lane?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stacy, if you feel it's okay to "jump the Sixth Avenue light," why shouldn't the truck drivers feel it's okay to park in the bike lane?</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/28/motorists-already-double-parking-in-the-new-bleecker-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-40885</link>
		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never forget that these lanes cause people to weave in and out of traffic, and in and out of visibility.  (Because there is ALWAYS someone parking in them at least every two blocks.  Always, always, always.)

The safest way to ride is in a predictable, steady, straight line.  

Change the law so that cyclists aren&#039;t compellled to stick to the lane, but rather, they&#039;re just for people who feel more comfortable in them.

I appreciate the point about &quot;kids, seniors and beginners.&quot;  Let bike lanes be only for them, and for anyone who doesn&#039;t feel safe taking a lane.  But when you do take a lane, mostly the worst they can do is honk, and I&#039;m telling you, they don&#039;t honk any more than when you try to stick to bike lanes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never forget that these lanes cause people to weave in and out of traffic, and in and out of visibility.  (Because there is ALWAYS someone parking in them at least every two blocks.  Always, always, always.)</p>
<p>The safest way to ride is in a predictable, steady, straight line.  </p>
<p>Change the law so that cyclists aren't compellled to stick to the lane, but rather, they're just for people who feel more comfortable in them.</p>
<p>I appreciate the point about "kids, seniors and beginners."  Let bike lanes be only for them, and for anyone who doesn't feel safe taking a lane.  But when you do take a lane, mostly the worst they can do is honk, and I'm telling you, they don't honk any more than when you try to stick to bike lanes.</p>
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		<title>By: glennQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>glennQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this a surprise to any of us?
Maybe some signs (like the &quot;Don&#039;t Block The Box&quot; variety) and a hefty fine (maybe points too)? 
I&#039;m sure if the city looked at enforcing the bike lanes as a source of revenue, we would get some help from the boys in blue (or brown).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this a surprise to any of us?<br />
Maybe some signs (like the "Don't Block The Box" variety) and a hefty fine (maybe points too)?<br />
I'm sure if the city looked at enforcing the bike lanes as a source of revenue, we would get some help from the boys in blue (or brown).</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just took my first ride down the new Bleecker Street Bike Lane from Carmine to Thompson and I&#039;m still not impressed. One particularly large truck came disturbingly close as we made the slight turn across Sixth Avenue near Little Red and then crossed over into the bike lane to pass a truck that was unloading - maybe that&#039;s why the right side always seemed a bit safer. It&#039;s probably  harder to diddle around and jump the Sixth Avenue light, on the left, than when than it was when riding on the right, alongside Downing Street Park

The logos aren&#039;t painted yet but the lane seemed to be ignored by cyclists and motorists alike. There were a couple of tractor trailer delivery trucks blocking the lane, and several cyclists riding on the right side of the street. I guess I&#039;m not the only one with this preference.

Bike lanes on the left may be more common but there are some, like Van Dam Street and  Pike Slip, in Manhattan, or Henry  Street, in Brooklyn Heights, which are on the right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just took my first ride down the new Bleecker Street Bike Lane from Carmine to Thompson and I'm still not impressed. One particularly large truck came disturbingly close as we made the slight turn across Sixth Avenue near Little Red and then crossed over into the bike lane to pass a truck that was unloading - maybe that's why the right side always seemed a bit safer. It's probably  harder to diddle around and jump the Sixth Avenue light, on the left, than when than it was when riding on the right, alongside Downing Street Park</p>
<p>The logos aren't painted yet but the lane seemed to be ignored by cyclists and motorists alike. There were a couple of tractor trailer delivery trucks blocking the lane, and several cyclists riding on the right side of the street. I guess I'm not the only one with this preference.</p>
<p>Bike lanes on the left may be more common but there are some, like Van Dam Street and  Pike Slip, in Manhattan, or Henry  Street, in Brooklyn Heights, which are on the right.</p>
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