Comments on: New Refuge Islands for Bronx Pedestrians & Bus Riders http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: mfs http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/comment-page-1/#comment-40714 mfs Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:49:20 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/#comment-40714 Thanks 5:47/5:49. It seems that either running a pipe w/ an opening covered by wire mesh, a removable metal plate, or regrading the uphill side of the sidewalk would all do the same trick and save some ironwork in the process. Thanks 5:47/5:49. It seems that either running a pipe w/ an opening covered by wire mesh, a removable metal plate, or regrading the uphill side of the sidewalk would all do the same trick and save some ironwork in the process.

]]> By: Ed Ravin http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/comment-page-1/#comment-40707 Ed Ravin Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:13:07 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/#comment-40707 Hilary, the curbside of Broadway in the photo above has parking meters on the right - one was even in the original photo but it was cropped out. I presume DoT will remove the meters as part of the final rehab. The new lane between the curb and the island is wide enough for vehicles, I'm told it's standard DoT policy to always make these lanes (such as the new 9th ave separated bike lane) wide enough for a streetsweeper or other maintenance vehicle. Hilary, the curbside of Broadway in the photo above has parking meters on the right – one was even in the original photo but it was cropped out. I presume DoT will remove the meters as part of the final rehab.

The new lane between the curb and the island is wide enough for vehicles, I’m told it’s standard DoT policy to always make these lanes (such as the new 9th ave separated bike lane) wide enough for a streetsweeper or other maintenance vehicle.

]]> By: Chris H http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/comment-page-1/#comment-40697 Chris H Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:14:26 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/#comment-40697 I'm wondering if the MTA could do something like <a href="http://www.septa.org/news/construction/mse.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> to improve the area under the els. I’m wondering if the MTA could do something like this to improve the area under the els.

]]> By: Hilary http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/comment-page-1/#comment-40692 Hilary Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:07:25 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/#comment-40692 So what goes on in the "trench" area? It isn't wide enough for vehicles, is it? Are people supposed to walk in it? Push carts? So what goes on in the “trench” area? It isn’t wide enough for vehicles, is it? Are people supposed to walk in it? Push carts?

]]> By: anon http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/comment-page-1/#comment-40691 anon Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:49:24 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/#comment-40691 oh, and, the fence is b/c given that you "need" the trench there for the water (they didn't want to cover the trench with some kind of covering b/c garbage eventually clogs it and someone needs to keep the covered trench clean, i guess), they had to put a fence so people wouldn't trip on the trench and sue the city. oh, and, the fence is b/c given that you “need” the trench there for the water (they didn’t want to cover the trench with some kind of covering b/c garbage eventually clogs it and someone needs to keep the covered trench clean, i guess), they had to put a fence so people wouldn’t trip on the trench and sue the city.

]]> By: anon http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/comment-page-1/#comment-40690 anon Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:47:41 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/#comment-40690 mfs - because of drainage. water in the gutter needs to go somewhere, and depending on the topography (which way the water flows to get to a catch basin) if you extend the sidewalk it will cause pooling. this is one reason neckdowns and other curb extensions are much more complex propositions than adding any kind of median or island. mfs – because of drainage. water in the gutter needs to go somewhere, and depending on the topography (which way the water flows to get to a catch basin) if you extend the sidewalk it will cause pooling. this is one reason neckdowns and other curb extensions are much more complex propositions than adding any kind of median or island.

]]> By: mfs http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/comment-page-1/#comment-40687 mfs Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:26:34 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/#comment-40687 In a similar vein, I've wondered about the space between the new bus stop platforms on Broadway and the sidewalk. Why the fence? Why the gap? In a similar vein, I’ve wondered about the space between the new bus stop platforms on Broadway and the sidewalk. Why the fence? Why the gap?

]]> By: Hilary http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/comment-page-1/#comment-40678 Hilary Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:35:58 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/#comment-40678 I'm curious how cars access parking along the sidewalks now. Or has that been eliminated? I’m curious how cars access parking along the sidewalks now. Or has that been eliminated?

]]> By: Steve http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/comment-page-1/#comment-40675 Steve Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:51:39 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/26/new-pedestrian-refuge-islands-for-the-bronx/#comment-40675 The other benefit of these is that they prevent motorists from changing lanes mid-block which can be extremely dangerous under an el. Removing the cars from the "outer" lanes is a great idea. Maybe devote the outer lanes to vendors, pedestrians and/or bicycles. The other benefit of these is that they prevent motorists from changing lanes mid-block which can be extremely dangerous under an el. Removing the cars from the “outer” lanes is a great idea. Maybe devote the outer lanes to vendors, pedestrians and/or bicycles.

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