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	<title>Comments on: Morgenthau &amp; NYPD Are &#8220;Dismissive&#8221; of Ped Fatality Questions</title>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/16/morgenthau-nypd-are-dismissive-of-ped-fatality-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-40456</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, thanks, Mkultra!  Now I just need to find a Medici to subsidize my scholarship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, thanks, Mkultra!  Now I just need to find a Medici to subsidize my scholarship.</p>
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		<title>By: mkultra</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/16/morgenthau-nypd-are-dismissive-of-ped-fatality-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-40454</link>
		<dc:creator>mkultra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angus, you are a serious renaissance man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angus, you are a serious renaissance man.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/16/morgenthau-nypd-are-dismissive-of-ped-fatality-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-40452</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, notice that in the definition you quoted, the &quot;lacking in vitality&quot; part is only used in the adjective sense.  If you say &quot;I&#039;m a pedestrian,&quot; it just doesn&#039;t have that connotation.

Also, it&#039;s significant that the Random House lexicographers put the &quot;lacking in vitality&quot; definition last.  The order matters, and it means that the lexicographers consider that sense to be the least used.

Finally, this connotation is a symptom, not a cause.  Using a different word will not cause people to respect pedestrians, any more than taking Prozac will bring back a dead spouse.

I&#039;m not saying this to be snide, but by next spring I will have a PhD in linguistics, so I&#039;m not just talking out my ass.  Now, what are your suggestions for the 2009 Manhattan D.A. elections?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, notice that in the definition you quoted, the "lacking in vitality" part is only used in the adjective sense.  If you say "I'm a pedestrian," it just doesn't have that connotation.</p>
<p>Also, it's significant that the Random House lexicographers put the "lacking in vitality" definition last.  The order matters, and it means that the lexicographers consider that sense to be the least used.</p>
<p>Finally, this connotation is a symptom, not a cause.  Using a different word will not cause people to respect pedestrians, any more than taking Prozac will bring back a dead spouse.</p>
<p>I'm not saying this to be snide, but by next spring I will have a PhD in linguistics, so I'm not just talking out my ass.  Now, what are your suggestions for the 2009 Manhattan D.A. elections?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that there is legitimacy to the argument because of the connotations that come from the word &quot;pedestrian&quot;&#039;s different defintions:

–noun
1.	a person who goes or travels on foot; walker.
–adjective
2.	going or performed on foot; walking.
3.	of or pertaining to walking.
4.	lacking in vitality, imagination, distinction, etc.; commonplace; prosaic or dull: a pedestrian commencement speech.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedestrian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that there is legitimacy to the argument because of the connotations that come from the word "pedestrian"'s different defintions:</p>
<p>–noun<br />
1.	a person who goes or travels on foot; walker.<br />
–adjective<br />
2.	going or performed on foot; walking.<br />
3.	of or pertaining to walking.<br />
4.	lacking in vitality, imagination, distinction, etc.; commonplace; prosaic or dull: a pedestrian commencement speech.</p>
<p><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedestrian" rel="nofollow">http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedestrian</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kinda&#039; agree alittle with Davis&#039; snide remarks because I never thought of pedestrian as a derogatory term when it mean a person afoot however the door has been opened.

I vote for &quot;citizen&quot; since we are all one of those in one form or another even if we are not all American.  It&#039;s a subtle reminder to the masses who may not always relate. 

&quot;A citizen was killed by a speeding car on... Bob Smith was walking across/down/etc...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda' agree alittle with Davis' snide remarks because I never thought of pedestrian as a derogatory term when it mean a person afoot however the door has been opened.</p>
<p>I vote for "citizen" since we are all one of those in one form or another even if we are not all American.  It's a subtle reminder to the masses who may not always relate. </p>
<p>"A citizen was killed by a speeding car on... Bob Smith was walking across/down/etc..."</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree, Davis (and I&#039;m ignoring your snide remarks).  Look at the anti-congestion pricing PR people&#039;s use of the word &quot;tax.&quot;  It guarantees to bring out a minimum number of knee-jerk libertarians, and has succeded more than that.  Words &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; important, and that&#039;s why we need to focus our attention on the words that matter.

The lack of competitive D.A. elections is definitely cause for concern.  What strategy do you think would address it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree, Davis (and I'm ignoring your snide remarks).  Look at the anti-congestion pricing PR people's use of the word "tax."  It guarantees to bring out a minimum number of knee-jerk libertarians, and has succeded more than that.  Words <i>are</i> important, and that's why we need to focus our attention on the words that matter.</p>
<p>The lack of competitive D.A. elections is definitely cause for concern.  What strategy do you think would address it?</p>
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		<title>By: Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>come on people. go back to oberlin or earlham or hampshire or wherever you got your bachelor&#039;s degree if you want to debate the use of the word &quot;pedestrian.&quot; totally irrelevant.

the real question here is how in the world do manhattan voters continue to elect this fossil to the city&#039;s top crime-fighting job. he was fantastic during the kennedy administration. give him a gold watch and let&#039;s get someone in there who can, at the very least, maintain a functional web site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>come on people. go back to oberlin or earlham or hampshire or wherever you got your bachelor's degree if you want to debate the use of the word "pedestrian." totally irrelevant.</p>
<p>the real question here is how in the world do manhattan voters continue to elect this fossil to the city's top crime-fighting job. he was fantastic during the kennedy administration. give him a gold watch and let's get someone in there who can, at the very least, maintain a functional web site.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/16/morgenthau-nypd-are-dismissive-of-ped-fatality-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-40442</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Galvo , I am with you. first we nned a new word, like walker.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes, because that worked so well in raising the status of negroes, cripples and transvestites.  If we just change the word people use to insult us, then they won&#039;t be able to insult us anymore!

Please don&#039;t waste your time and energy on a euphemism cycle.  We need it for more important things.  I much prefer the &quot;reclaiming&quot; approach used by queer people.  Pedestrian pride!

I&#039;d feel differently if there were &lt;b&gt;no&lt;/b&gt; context in which &quot;pedestrian&quot; wasn&#039;t an insult, but that&#039;s not the case.  There are plenty of contexts where &quot;pedestrian&quot; is a perfectly neutral descriptive term.  If you don&#039;t like hearing people talk about &quot;pedestrian concerns&quot; that have nothing to do with walkability, then protest that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Galvo , I am with you. first we nned a new word, like walker.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, because that worked so well in raising the status of negroes, cripples and transvestites.  If we just change the word people use to insult us, then they won't be able to insult us anymore!</p>
<p>Please don't waste your time and energy on a euphemism cycle.  We need it for more important things.  I much prefer the "reclaiming" approach used by queer people.  Pedestrian pride!</p>
<p>I'd feel differently if there were <b>no</b> context in which "pedestrian" wasn't an insult, but that's not the case.  There are plenty of contexts where "pedestrian" is a perfectly neutral descriptive term.  If you don't like hearing people talk about "pedestrian concerns" that have nothing to do with walkability, then protest that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine: Excellent idea. Strider?</description>
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		<title>By: Christine Berthet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Berthet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Galvo , I am with you. first we nned a new word, like walker. we have biker and it sounds helathy and sporty .. we have byciclists and ti sounds scientific , pediclist ?   anyway the connotation of pedestrian with being a nobody is real and very deep in our culture. 
There are 95 % of us against 5 % of them - the cars.. But 99% of the nations wealth is held by .5% of the population so do not expect that to change soon . 
Stretsblog , what about a photo contest of celebs pedestrians? or t-shirt with pictures of celebs she/he walks , me too???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Galvo , I am with you. first we nned a new word, like walker. we have biker and it sounds helathy and sporty .. we have byciclists and ti sounds scientific , pediclist ?   anyway the connotation of pedestrian with being a nobody is real and very deep in our culture.<br />
There are 95 % of us against 5 % of them - the cars.. But 99% of the nations wealth is held by .5% of the population so do not expect that to change soon .<br />
Stretsblog , what about a photo contest of celebs pedestrians? or t-shirt with pictures of celebs she/he walks , me too???</p>
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		<title>By: galvo</title>
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		<dc:creator>galvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i find the word &quot;pedestrian&quot; offensive and demeaning, it implies a inferior quality.
i have many goggle alerts set up tracking deaths nationwide, the pedestrian term pops up too often as something lackluster or inferior.  The mayor said the bicyclist are the  little guy , they need to watch out, that is the  wrong mindset. Bigger vehicles does not make right. The police department dose not take peds injuries and deaths seriously  since they cannot relate to it. Their family members all drive and adore the auto. Walkers are people without means. The image of being successful in this metro area from the ghetto to the wealthy areas is the expensive big automobile.  
Bike cops would be a great way to apprehend aggressive drivers before they kill and maim. 
the bike cops would need patrol cars assistance  for the traffic stops, but they would be a low profile way to observe  and stop the too frequent driving nutcases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i find the word "pedestrian" offensive and demeaning, it implies a inferior quality.<br />
i have many goggle alerts set up tracking deaths nationwide, the pedestrian term pops up too often as something lackluster or inferior.  The mayor said the bicyclist are the  little guy , they need to watch out, that is the  wrong mindset. Bigger vehicles does not make right. The police department dose not take peds injuries and deaths seriously  since they cannot relate to it. Their family members all drive and adore the auto. Walkers are people without means. The image of being successful in this metro area from the ghetto to the wealthy areas is the expensive big automobile.<br />
Bike cops would be a great way to apprehend aggressive drivers before they kill and maim.<br />
the bike cops would need patrol cars assistance  for the traffic stops, but they would be a low profile way to observe  and stop the too frequent driving nutcases.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a similar difficulty when I saw a cyclist hit by a car back in 1999.  I was concerned about the cyclist, so the next day I called the closest hospital and asked about his status.  The hospital staff was helpful right up until they consulted his file, at which point they asked if I was a family member and refused to say anything else.

A few days later I found out that the poor guy had died.  I think hospitals have rules against releasing the fact that someone&#039;s died, and I can kind of understand that.  Of course they couldn&#039;t tell me that at the time without revealing the fact that he was dead.  It was frustrating for me, though, because I suspected as much but couldn&#039;t confirm it.

As far as the D.A.&#039;s office is concerned, I can understand that they&#039;re worried about the public meddling in their work.  Still, tough shit.  They&#039;re public servants; they should be able to put up with a little public interference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a similar difficulty when I saw a cyclist hit by a car back in 1999.  I was concerned about the cyclist, so the next day I called the closest hospital and asked about his status.  The hospital staff was helpful right up until they consulted his file, at which point they asked if I was a family member and refused to say anything else.</p>
<p>A few days later I found out that the poor guy had died.  I think hospitals have rules against releasing the fact that someone's died, and I can kind of understand that.  Of course they couldn't tell me that at the time without revealing the fact that he was dead.  It was frustrating for me, though, because I suspected as much but couldn't confirm it.</p>
<p>As far as the D.A.'s office is concerned, I can understand that they're worried about the public meddling in their work.  Still, tough shit.  They're public servants; they should be able to put up with a little public interference.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Brad, for posting this informative article. I&#039;m comparing the absolute silence on this issue with the plethora of warnings about lead that are provided to you when you move into a building (which for adults who don&#039;t lick the walls or doorjambs are kind of superfluous), or with the city&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://snipr.com/nycrestoviolations&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;convenient neighborhood listing&lt;/a&gt; of restaurant health violations. Just &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; can&#039;t we find those &quot;crosswalks of casualty&quot; online?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Brad, for posting this informative article. I'm comparing the absolute silence on this issue with the plethora of warnings about lead that are provided to you when you move into a building (which for adults who don't lick the walls or doorjambs are kind of superfluous), or with the city's <a href="http://snipr.com/nycrestoviolations" rel="nofollow">convenient neighborhood listing</a> of restaurant health violations. Just <i>why</i> can't we find those "crosswalks of casualty" online?</p>
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		<title>By: LN</title>
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		<dc:creator>LN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I volunteer with streets memorials, the collective of individuals that is helping to put up these pedestrian plaques and is installing ghost bikes in NYC.  We depend upon news reports to learn about cyclists and pedestrian fatalities. Once or twice we got information from individuals. But we know we only have half the story. For example, it was recently reported in METRO that there were 20 cyclists deaths in NYC this year, that information from the NYPD. We so far, only know of 8 for 2007 from news reports--so editors have decided that the deaths of 12 cyclists in NYC in 2007 are not news--we know that reporters do go to more of these accidents then get into press, on tv or radio.

There&#039;s a bill in the City Council to have quicker reporting on accidents and fatalities to Community Boards. TA files, with great difficulty, a freedom if information act from the NY State DOT NYC data on ped injuries/fatalities and this year they are attempting the same for cyclists injuries/fatailities. They have to be forced to know that it must be a priority, we deserve to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I volunteer with streets memorials, the collective of individuals that is helping to put up these pedestrian plaques and is installing ghost bikes in NYC.  We depend upon news reports to learn about cyclists and pedestrian fatalities. Once or twice we got information from individuals. But we know we only have half the story. For example, it was recently reported in METRO that there were 20 cyclists deaths in NYC this year, that information from the NYPD. We so far, only know of 8 for 2007 from news reports--so editors have decided that the deaths of 12 cyclists in NYC in 2007 are not news--we know that reporters do go to more of these accidents then get into press, on tv or radio.</p>
<p>There's a bill in the City Council to have quicker reporting on accidents and fatalities to Community Boards. TA files, with great difficulty, a freedom if information act from the NY State DOT NYC data on ped injuries/fatalities and this year they are attempting the same for cyclists injuries/fatailities. They have to be forced to know that it must be a priority, we deserve to know.</p>
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		<title>By: ianqui</title>
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		<dc:creator>ianqui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are one tenacious dude, Ian. Good for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are one tenacious dude, Ian. Good for you.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hunka</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hunka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was pleased to see this article in the paper today about a driver charged with reckless homicide in connection with the death of two cyclists in North Carolina...
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-BRF-Charity-Bicyclists-Killed.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was pleased to see this article in the paper today about a driver charged with reckless homicide in connection with the death of two cyclists in North Carolina...<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-BRF-Charity-Bicyclists-Killed.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-BRF-Charity-Bicyclists-Killed.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: flp</title>
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		<dc:creator>flp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its been said before, but its worth repeating here:  the horrible fact in america is that, if you wanna get away with murder, just have the vic run down (OK a little work will have to be done in order to have motive tossed/unidentifiable....).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its been said before, but its worth repeating here:  the horrible fact in america is that, if you wanna get away with murder, just have the vic run down (OK a little work will have to be done in order to have motive tossed/unidentifiable....).</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve said it before.  When people turn the key, the radio should turn on and play one of a series of rotating public service messages (depending on the time, day) reminding them of the danger to themselves and others.  That would make people less in a rush to get where they are going and more wary of what could happen.

The best people to read those messages would be drivers whose lives have been scarred by the deaths of others, or the disabilities of themselves, in collisions they were involved in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've said it before.  When people turn the key, the radio should turn on and play one of a series of rotating public service messages (depending on the time, day) reminding them of the danger to themselves and others.  That would make people less in a rush to get where they are going and more wary of what could happen.</p>
<p>The best people to read those messages would be drivers whose lives have been scarred by the deaths of others, or the disabilities of themselves, in collisions they were involved in.</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another commenter (momos?) disagreed with me when I said &quot;society condones&quot; car-on-ped murder.  But the subject of the first half of this story is what inspires me to say it.  Police and D.A. policies are a reflection of our societal values.  Thank goodness there&#039;s now a growing serious movement (which Streetsblog has helped to cultivate) seeking to fix this ridiculous ill.  Inspiring work, Ian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another commenter (momos?) disagreed with me when I said "society condones" car-on-ped murder.  But the subject of the first half of this story is what inspires me to say it.  Police and D.A. policies are a reflection of our societal values.  Thank goodness there's now a growing serious movement (which Streetsblog has helped to cultivate) seeking to fix this ridiculous ill.  Inspiring work, Ian.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Fleischmann</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/16/morgenthau-nypd-are-dismissive-of-ped-fatality-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-40407</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Fleischmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to the DA and NYPD, drivers and pedestrians should also be made aware of death sites.  Your first illustration, the Hope Miller memorial, holds the key.  There should be prominent, permanent signage at the site of any killing by car.  The number of dead should be in huge lettering and should be updated as needed.  This will tell pedestrians to exercise caution (which may help save some, if not all lives).  And it would warn drivers to slow down and behave more considerately.  Deadly areas should not be allowed to remain mute.  Silence equals death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to the DA and NYPD, drivers and pedestrians should also be made aware of death sites.  Your first illustration, the Hope Miller memorial, holds the key.  There should be prominent, permanent signage at the site of any killing by car.  The number of dead should be in huge lettering and should be updated as needed.  This will tell pedestrians to exercise caution (which may help save some, if not all lives).  And it would warn drivers to slow down and behave more considerately.  Deadly areas should not be allowed to remain mute.  Silence equals death.</p>
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