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	<title>Comments on: R-E-S-P-E-C-T: DOT to Install Sleek New Bike Parking Shelters</title>
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		<title>By: Ivon G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivon G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 16:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is nice; however THEFT is the issue that most concerns me. I pay for parking my bike right now just so that I don&#039;t have to deal with coming to a rack and my bike not being there.  We need more facilities with more affordable ways to storing bikes in the city.  Kudos to the city for trying something.  They should work with Bike communities to know our needs a little better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is nice; however THEFT is the issue that most concerns me. I pay for parking my bike right now just so that I don&#8217;t have to deal with coming to a rack and my bike not being there.  We need more facilities with more affordable ways to storing bikes in the city.  Kudos to the city for trying something.  They should work with Bike communities to know our needs a little better.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...the link in the previous post seems to not work. Here&#039;s what I was trying to point you to: http://www.mindspring.com/~darkpilot/pix/unionsq-rack.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;the link in the previous post seems to not work. Here&#8217;s what I was trying to point you to: <a href="http://www.mindspring.com/~darkpilot/pix/unionsq-rack.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindspring.com/~darkpilot/pix/unionsq-rack.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ian D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shea and I had to opportunity to use the rack last weekend when we rode to the Greenmarket: &lt;a&gt;SEE!&lt;/a&gt;

It was very well-designed, and it did in fact keep the vendors that are all over this block from taking up the bike parking. We even helped someone who was trying to read that bike map to see how he could ride over the GW Bridge...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shea and I had to opportunity to use the rack last weekend when we rode to the Greenmarket: <a>SEE!</a></p>
<p>It was very well-designed, and it did in fact keep the vendors that are all over this block from taking up the bike parking. We even helped someone who was trying to read that bike map to see how he could ride over the GW Bridge&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary&#039;s right, this along with the new bus shelters, newsstands, public toilets and now these  new bus...ruhh bike shelters are under Cemusa contract. They clean them, maintanence, all that. However, I&#039;m gonna have to go with Vroomfondel in that there are some design flaws. I think the biggest is the lack of bike racks but that can easily be rectified, I think, if the DOT&#039;s wave-design bike racks are installed perpendicular to the glass. Second biggest thing is yeah, the thing is taking up sidewalk space. they should put those bike shelters at the end of a parking lane on a street, take up one parking space so it will create a crosswalk extensions. Bollards will be need but capacity and location. Otherwise, it&#039;s better than nothing. We aint paying for it. Yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary&#8217;s right, this along with the new bus shelters, newsstands, public toilets and now these  new bus&#8230;ruhh bike shelters are under Cemusa contract. They clean them, maintanence, all that. However, I&#8217;m gonna have to go with Vroomfondel in that there are some design flaws. I think the biggest is the lack of bike racks but that can easily be rectified, I think, if the DOT&#8217;s wave-design bike racks are installed perpendicular to the glass. Second biggest thing is yeah, the thing is taking up sidewalk space. they should put those bike shelters at the end of a parking lane on a street, take up one parking space so it will create a crosswalk extensions. Bollards will be need but capacity and location. Otherwise, it&#8217;s better than nothing. We aint paying for it. Yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This cost the City NOTHING! That is the beauty of the Cemusa bus shelter contract. In fact the City is making money on it. Cemusa is responsible for installing and upkeep of the shelters and has to pay the city for the privilege of selling advertising. And we get more bike parking and a public endorsement of bicycle use as legitimate.

Get a good lock and get out and ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This cost the City NOTHING! That is the beauty of the Cemusa bus shelter contract. In fact the City is making money on it. Cemusa is responsible for installing and upkeep of the shelters and has to pay the city for the privilege of selling advertising. And we get more bike parking and a public endorsement of bicycle use as legitimate.</p>
<p>Get a good lock and get out and ride.</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
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		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Smart Guy misses the mark with the suggestion of corruption.  We know what DoT corruption looks like . . . can you say Wedtech? Stanley Friedman?  

This is not corruption we are seeing here, more likely it is idealism--the belief that by promoting cycling the city can meaningfully address serious transportation and even public health challenges.  Does this particular piece of infrastructure is the best way to do that?  Smart Guy raises some fair points.  I would put the over-breadth of the 7-block 9th Ave. cycle track (not the cycle track concept itself) and the surplus of bike racks installed along it in the same category of high-visibility, questionable-practicality infrastructure.

In contrast, the DoT&#039;s follow-through in laying on-street lanes has been a tremendous boon.  I know there are always people parking in them, but for whatever reason, bicyclists are drawn to them.  I know I am, even when I&#039;m in a hurry and plan to ride in the middle of the traffic lane adjacent to the bike lane to avoid the dooring hazard.  Because bicyclists congregate in the bike lanes, there is greater visibility and &quot;safety in numbers.&quot;  This effect is very clear over the last few months on the new portions of the Centre and Lafayette lanes, and on the broadened 5th Ave. lane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Smart Guy misses the mark with the suggestion of corruption.  We know what DoT corruption looks like . . . can you say Wedtech? Stanley Friedman?  </p>
<p>This is not corruption we are seeing here, more likely it is idealism&#8211;the belief that by promoting cycling the city can meaningfully address serious transportation and even public health challenges.  Does this particular piece of infrastructure is the best way to do that?  Smart Guy raises some fair points.  I would put the over-breadth of the 7-block 9th Ave. cycle track (not the cycle track concept itself) and the surplus of bike racks installed along it in the same category of high-visibility, questionable-practicality infrastructure.</p>
<p>In contrast, the DoT&#8217;s follow-through in laying on-street lanes has been a tremendous boon.  I know there are always people parking in them, but for whatever reason, bicyclists are drawn to them.  I know I am, even when I&#8217;m in a hurry and plan to ride in the middle of the traffic lane adjacent to the bike lane to avoid the dooring hazard.  Because bicyclists congregate in the bike lanes, there is greater visibility and &#8220;safety in numbers.&#8221;  This effect is very clear over the last few months on the new portions of the Centre and Lafayette lanes, and on the broadened 5th Ave. lane.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smart Guy, if you look at the press release about the street-furniture contract, money goes from the vendor to the city fisc, not the other way around as you seem to think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smart Guy, if you look at the press release about the street-furniture contract, money goes from the vendor to the city fisc, not the other way around as you seem to think.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Naparstek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Naparstek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No extra money was paid for these bike shelters. They were part of the original CEMUSA bus shelter contract. As it was explained to me, DOT saw that it had some extra shelters available for non-bus stop use, and they decided to give this a try. 

I think it&#039;s great to see DOT experimenting, innovating and showing creativity and flexibility even if this may not be the ideal design for covered bike parking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No extra money was paid for these bike shelters. They were part of the original CEMUSA bus shelter contract. As it was explained to me, DOT saw that it had some extra shelters available for non-bus stop use, and they decided to give this a try. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s great to see DOT experimenting, innovating and showing creativity and flexibility even if this may not be the ideal design for covered bike parking.</p>
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		<title>By: Smart Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smart Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is taxpayers money going directly into the pockets of the company creating these things (Cemusa).

I wonder if the people in charge of contracting this had a kickback deal:  We&#039;ll get you to create these dumbass structures, if you give us half of your profit.  Also, give me half the profit of us charging you to take them down, after everyone realizes how stupid of an idea this is.  We make money, and everyone forgets it ever happened.


This is the most retarded idea I&#039;ve ever heard, and cannot believe it was even considered over one of a million alternative ways to improving biking and raise more awareness of biking in NYC.

&quot;Hey, let&#039;s but big, expensive structures in the middle of sidewalks.  They should hold seven.. no, EIGHT bikes, so that people can park their bike before it starts to rain, and pick up their bike after it&#039;s done raining!  I mean, what MORE could bikers want than that??  Now, the next time bikers ask for something, we can say &quot;geeez, we already gave you super expensive and convenient buildings to block you from rain!  not even cars get free parking like that! what more do you want?!?!&quot;&quot;

&quot;Ok, sounds good.  Make sure I get a kickback and get re-elected&quot;

&quot;Deal.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is taxpayers money going directly into the pockets of the company creating these things (Cemusa).</p>
<p>I wonder if the people in charge of contracting this had a kickback deal:  We&#8217;ll get you to create these dumbass structures, if you give us half of your profit.  Also, give me half the profit of us charging you to take them down, after everyone realizes how stupid of an idea this is.  We make money, and everyone forgets it ever happened.</p>
<p>This is the most retarded idea I&#8217;ve ever heard, and cannot believe it was even considered over one of a million alternative ways to improving biking and raise more awareness of biking in NYC.</p>
<p>&#8220;Hey, let&#8217;s but big, expensive structures in the middle of sidewalks.  They should hold seven.. no, EIGHT bikes, so that people can park their bike before it starts to rain, and pick up their bike after it&#8217;s done raining!  I mean, what MORE could bikers want than that??  Now, the next time bikers ask for something, we can say &#8220;geeez, we already gave you super expensive and convenient buildings to block you from rain!  not even cars get free parking like that! what more do you want?!?!&#8221;"</p>
<p>&#8220;Ok, sounds good.  Make sure I get a kickback and get re-elected&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Deal.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cvarrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvarrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And, let&#039;s face it, folks, if the city takes away metered parking spaces for cars, do you really not see the day they start charging for primo bike parking?&quot;

Good point.

As much as i&#039;d love to see NYC become a bicycling utopia, some times i wonder if i should be careful what i wish for.

If substantial numbers ever abandon their cars bikers will quickly become a replacement state/municipal revenue stream. 

It will start with metered parking and stepped up enforcement/ticketing of traffic violations. In the end bicyclists will have the same mandatory registration, licensing and insurance requirments as automobiles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And, let&#8217;s face it, folks, if the city takes away metered parking spaces for cars, do you really not see the day they start charging for primo bike parking?&#8221;</p>
<p>Good point.</p>
<p>As much as i&#8217;d love to see NYC become a bicycling utopia, some times i wonder if i should be careful what i wish for.</p>
<p>If substantial numbers ever abandon their cars bikers will quickly become a replacement state/municipal revenue stream. </p>
<p>It will start with metered parking and stepped up enforcement/ticketing of traffic violations. In the end bicyclists will have the same mandatory registration, licensing and insurance requirments as automobiles.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must claim ignorance when dealing with bike theft in NYC (Hey! I&#039;m in Jersey.  No secrete there.)

However, Jonathan&#039;s comment back at #24 brings up an idea.  Cars get stolen because it is an object that is by nature mobile.  Same with bikes.  Well if you got real problems with your bike getting stolen then maybe locking it up  and taking a wheel with you could help.  I know when my car was new I would take the main ignition wire with me when I parked in rough areas.  Took 30 seconds to remove and now the car ain&#039;t going nowhere under its own power.  Wouldn&#039;t stop a flat-bed just as removing the wheel wouldn&#039;t stop a thief with a van but it&#039;s a definite major deterrent.

Also, I recently got a Brompton folding bike for travel and for a possible commute to NYC.  I never lock it up and simply take it with me into every place that I go; work, offices, music clubs, even fancy restaurants.  I&#039;ve never had an issue.  Even those that were skeptical at first about letting me bring it in are easily won over when they see it fold up.  (Side note:  I&#039;ve never had a bike before that caused so many total strangers to just come up to me and start conversation; even good looking women!)

As for the bike parking kiosk, I gotta&#039; admit that you gotta&#039; walk before you can run and NYC is trying to do some Olympic level sprinting with this design.  I was just in Philly earlier today and there are simple, solid, but affordable (yet damn effective) inverted &quot;U&quot; racks everywhere.  For the most part they a placed parallel to the curb where the meters go.  Such a layout minimizes ped conflicts and utilizes a section of the sidewalk not regularly utilized by pedestrians.  Nothing new to most of you.  What was really interesting today however was that I noticed a series of 3 or more of these racks in front of a Center City church for their members (Cool!).  

New York should start with a program like this first, then move on to the the fancy stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must claim ignorance when dealing with bike theft in NYC (Hey! I&#8217;m in Jersey.  No secrete there.)</p>
<p>However, Jonathan&#8217;s comment back at #24 brings up an idea.  Cars get stolen because it is an object that is by nature mobile.  Same with bikes.  Well if you got real problems with your bike getting stolen then maybe locking it up  and taking a wheel with you could help.  I know when my car was new I would take the main ignition wire with me when I parked in rough areas.  Took 30 seconds to remove and now the car ain&#8217;t going nowhere under its own power.  Wouldn&#8217;t stop a flat-bed just as removing the wheel wouldn&#8217;t stop a thief with a van but it&#8217;s a definite major deterrent.</p>
<p>Also, I recently got a Brompton folding bike for travel and for a possible commute to NYC.  I never lock it up and simply take it with me into every place that I go; work, offices, music clubs, even fancy restaurants.  I&#8217;ve never had an issue.  Even those that were skeptical at first about letting me bring it in are easily won over when they see it fold up.  (Side note:  I&#8217;ve never had a bike before that caused so many total strangers to just come up to me and start conversation; even good looking women!)</p>
<p>As for the bike parking kiosk, I gotta&#8217; admit that you gotta&#8217; walk before you can run and NYC is trying to do some Olympic level sprinting with this design.  I was just in Philly earlier today and there are simple, solid, but affordable (yet damn effective) inverted &#8220;U&#8221; racks everywhere.  For the most part they a placed parallel to the curb where the meters go.  Such a layout minimizes ped conflicts and utilizes a section of the sidewalk not regularly utilized by pedestrians.  Nothing new to most of you.  What was really interesting today however was that I noticed a series of 3 or more of these racks in front of a Center City church for their members (Cool!).  </p>
<p>New York should start with a program like this first, then move on to the the fancy stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: rexlic</title>
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		<dc:creator>rexlic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, to finish my own thought, the Bloomberg/Doctoroff doctrine of putting people where the trains cannot possibly bear the additional crush of passengers.  Thinking about buying in LIC?  Do a test run at 9:00 A.M. on the #7 at Vernon/Jackson, and let me know what you think after that sardinefest.  And good luck, too, future Atlantic Yard-ians...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, to finish my own thought, the Bloomberg/Doctoroff doctrine of putting people where the trains cannot possibly bear the additional crush of passengers.  Thinking about buying in LIC?  Do a test run at 9:00 A.M. on the #7 at Vernon/Jackson, and let me know what you think after that sardinefest.  And good luck, too, future Atlantic Yard-ians&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rexlic</title>
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		<dc:creator>rexlic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t want to hijack the thread with LIC trivia, but...My point about proximity in Hunter&#039;s Point is, of course, relative, and dependent on which subway line you&#039;d prefer.  But I can&#039;t think anyone is more than 5-10 minutes walk to some subway access--ask Upper East Side folks how good that sounds.

As for Greenpointers cycling to the #7 stop: what little attention and energy I can spend on these matters will be focused on the MTA&#039;s near-criminal abuse of &quot;G&quot; train riders and neighborhoods.  And that&#039;s really the story here, anyway, isn&#039;t it?  We need every type of viable, sustainable transportation options we can get, but it&#039;s really the 800-pound gorilla--the MTA, NYC Transit and their mismanagment of this public resource--which has to take priority in our action.  That, and the Bloomberg/Doctoroff doctrine of putting people where there ain&#039;t no trains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t want to hijack the thread with LIC trivia, but&#8230;My point about proximity in Hunter&#8217;s Point is, of course, relative, and dependent on which subway line you&#8217;d prefer.  But I can&#8217;t think anyone is more than 5-10 minutes walk to some subway access&#8211;ask Upper East Side folks how good that sounds.</p>
<p>As for Greenpointers cycling to the #7 stop: what little attention and energy I can spend on these matters will be focused on the MTA&#8217;s near-criminal abuse of &#8220;G&#8221; train riders and neighborhoods.  And that&#8217;s really the story here, anyway, isn&#8217;t it?  We need every type of viable, sustainable transportation options we can get, but it&#8217;s really the 800-pound gorilla&#8211;the MTA, NYC Transit and their mismanagment of this public resource&#8211;which has to take priority in our action.  That, and the Bloomberg/Doctoroff doctrine of putting people where there ain&#8217;t no trains.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rexlic and Angus: the Vernon-Jackson station has two entrances (duh, one on Vernon, one on Jackson). Presumably the Jackson Ave bike parking would be most useful to folks who live in Greenpoint and begin their commute by cycling over the Pulaski bridge to the 7 train. The riverside developments (Citylights, etc.) are closer to Vernon Blvd. 

Do they still have the 12-hour meters on Vernon between the railroad tracks and Jackson Ave? That&#039;s where I&#039;d like to see a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/29/what-it-looks-like-when-bikes-are-part-of-the-transit-system/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cicloparqueadero&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rexlic and Angus: the Vernon-Jackson station has two entrances (duh, one on Vernon, one on Jackson). Presumably the Jackson Ave bike parking would be most useful to folks who live in Greenpoint and begin their commute by cycling over the Pulaski bridge to the 7 train. The riverside developments (Citylights, etc.) are closer to Vernon Blvd. </p>
<p>Do they still have the 12-hour meters on Vernon between the railroad tracks and Jackson Ave? That&#8217;s where I&#8217;d like to see a <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/29/what-it-looks-like-when-bikes-are-part-of-the-transit-system/" rel="nofollow">cicloparqueadero</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Vernon-Jackson #7 stop is the last one in Queens before Manhattan, a desirable destination, but the fact is there&#039;s no place in Hunter&#039;s Point where you&#039;re more than a few blocks from a subway station, so how many would &quot;commute&quot; on two wheels anyway?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I have to disagree with you here, Rex.  Citylights may only be two blocks from the subway, but they&#039;re &lt;b&gt;long&lt;/b&gt; blocks, and as you go up or down the waterfront you get further from the #7 but not much closer to the E/V trains at 23rd/Ely.  If I lived in the East Coast I&#039;d definitely want it to be easy to bike to the subway.

Also, the new &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SunnysideNY/message/963&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hunter&#039;s Point South&lt;/a&gt; development will have 5000 apartments, and will not be a very convenient walk from any stop.  This particular plan is not very well-thought-out at all in terms of transportation, and it&#039;s quite unlikely that four bike racks will be enough for the residents of 5000 apartments, but there will be demand for these racks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Vernon-Jackson #7 stop is the last one in Queens before Manhattan, a desirable destination, but the fact is there&#8217;s no place in Hunter&#8217;s Point where you&#8217;re more than a few blocks from a subway station, so how many would &#8220;commute&#8221; on two wheels anyway?</p></blockquote>
<p>I have to disagree with you here, Rex.  Citylights may only be two blocks from the subway, but they&#8217;re <b>long</b> blocks, and as you go up or down the waterfront you get further from the #7 but not much closer to the E/V trains at 23rd/Ely.  If I lived in the East Coast I&#8217;d definitely want it to be easy to bike to the subway.</p>
<p>Also, the new <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SunnysideNY/message/963" rel="nofollow">Hunter&#8217;s Point South</a> development will have 5000 apartments, and will not be a very convenient walk from any stop.  This particular plan is not very well-thought-out at all in terms of transportation, and it&#8217;s quite unlikely that four bike racks will be enough for the residents of 5000 apartments, but there will be demand for these racks.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would gladly pay to park my bike in a safe place on the street, instead of storing it my apartment, or wrestling with the storage room.  Do we know if permanent parking will be allowed in these new bike garages?  If it is, then people really have a right to yell about selling off the sidewalks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would gladly pay to park my bike in a safe place on the street, instead of storing it my apartment, or wrestling with the storage room.  Do we know if permanent parking will be allowed in these new bike garages?  If it is, then people really have a right to yell about selling off the sidewalks.</p>
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		<title>By: rexlic</title>
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		<dc:creator>rexlic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan: Agree with you about the current number of pedestrians at Jackson and 50th (Ave., as you say, not Street per &quot;New York&quot;), but that overlooks the number of residential buildings going up nearby; three, in fact, within 200 feet, with mammoth Queens West close as well. The Vernon-Jackson #7 stop is the last one in Queens before Manhattan, a desirable destination, but the fact is there&#039;s no place in Hunter&#039;s Point where you&#039;re more than a few blocks from a subway station, so how many would &quot;commute&quot; on two wheels anyway?  And, let&#039;s face it, folks, if the city takes away metered parking spaces for cars, do you really not see the day they start charging for primo bike parking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan: Agree with you about the current number of pedestrians at Jackson and 50th (Ave., as you say, not Street per &#8220;New York&#8221;), but that overlooks the number of residential buildings going up nearby; three, in fact, within 200 feet, with mammoth Queens West close as well. The Vernon-Jackson #7 stop is the last one in Queens before Manhattan, a desirable destination, but the fact is there&#8217;s no place in Hunter&#8217;s Point where you&#8217;re more than a few blocks from a subway station, so how many would &#8220;commute&#8221; on two wheels anyway?  And, let&#8217;s face it, folks, if the city takes away metered parking spaces for cars, do you really not see the day they start charging for primo bike parking?</p>
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		<title>By: A Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So try the shelters only on empty sidewalks.  Cemusa advert $ is made where people are walking. Bet ya a whole pile get stuck on crowded Manhattan and downtown Brooklyn sidewalks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So try the shelters only on empty sidewalks.  Cemusa advert $ is made where people are walking. Bet ya a whole pile get stuck on crowded Manhattan and downtown Brooklyn sidewalks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(It makes no friggin difference what you like your bike to, as long as it (and its pieces) are still there when you get back.)
&lt;i&gt;Au contraire&lt;/i&gt;! This official-looking shelter (and to a lesser extent, common-and-garden sidewalk racks, too) dedicates part of the streetscape to bike parking. That is a clear message that says it&#039;s OK to park your bike on the street. 

Locking your bike to the subway kiosk, or to someone else&#039;s private property, on the other hand, is obnoxious and self centered, and tells your fellow citizens that you don&#039;t give a hoot about them.

Yes, I would prefer that parking be taken away from cars for bikes, but I&#039;m not going to castigate an alternate solution either. There aren&#039;t that many pedestrians at Jackson Ave &amp; 50th Avenue in Queens (to mention one spot), so it seems like a good place to try out these shelters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(It makes no friggin difference what you like your bike to, as long as it (and its pieces) are still there when you get back.)<br />
<i>Au contraire</i>! This official-looking shelter (and to a lesser extent, common-and-garden sidewalk racks, too) dedicates part of the streetscape to bike parking. That is a clear message that says it&#8217;s OK to park your bike on the street. </p>
<p>Locking your bike to the subway kiosk, or to someone else&#8217;s private property, on the other hand, is obnoxious and self centered, and tells your fellow citizens that you don&#8217;t give a hoot about them.</p>
<p>Yes, I would prefer that parking be taken away from cars for bikes, but I&#8217;m not going to castigate an alternate solution either. There aren&#8217;t that many pedestrians at Jackson Ave &amp; 50th Avenue in Queens (to mention one spot), so it seems like a good place to try out these shelters.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, is it really a boondoggle or is it a cash cow? Did the bus shelter/advertising company offer to throw these in for little or nothing? What&#039;s the revenue on the ads, and who gets it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, is it really a boondoggle or is it a cash cow? Did the bus shelter/advertising company offer to throw these in for little or nothing? What&#8217;s the revenue on the ads, and who gets it?</p>
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