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		<title>By: Mister Bad Example</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/12/congestion-pricing-will-make-you-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-40263</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Bad Example</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Dan above-- drivers seem more stressed than ever.otoh there seem to be fewer of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Dan above-- drivers seem more stressed than ever.otoh there seem to be fewer of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave H.</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/12/congestion-pricing-will-make-you-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-40245</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in response to GlennQ, do you really mean that government restrictions on your finances and &quot;in your life&quot; never make you happier.

-Do you think you would be more or less happy if you did not pay taxes and, consequently, received no government services? (no police, no army etc.)

-Do you think you would more or less happy if there were no government regulation of the food or banking industries. That regulation undoubtedly makes buying food or taking out loans more expensive for the informed consumer, but it also means (perhaps you disagree) that I have a lot less to worry about when I put my money in the bank, take out a loan or buy some chicken for dinner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in response to GlennQ, do you really mean that government restrictions on your finances and "in your life" never make you happier.</p>
<p>-Do you think you would be more or less happy if you did not pay taxes and, consequently, received no government services? (no police, no army etc.)</p>
<p>-Do you think you would more or less happy if there were no government regulation of the food or banking industries. That regulation undoubtedly makes buying food or taking out loans more expensive for the informed consumer, but it also means (perhaps you disagree) that I have a lot less to worry about when I put my money in the bank, take out a loan or buy some chicken for dinner.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having thought about it, I partially withdraw my comment #1 above. New York seems to be a place where limited, enlightened paternalism is accepted: the smoking ban and the trans-fat ban being examples of this. Perhaps the happiness argument will win over some people who are undecided on the issue of congestion pricing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having thought about it, I partially withdraw my comment #1 above. New York seems to be a place where limited, enlightened paternalism is accepted: the smoking ban and the trans-fat ban being examples of this. Perhaps the happiness argument will win over some people who are undecided on the issue of congestion pricing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles, your &quot;downshifting&quot; argument raises many good issues that go beyond livable streets. But there are other sound reasons for encouraging people to work fulltime, including to some extent keeping Social Security solvent and promoting economic justice. 

Toward the latter point, NPR said this morning that in 2004 the average black family earned 54% of what the average white family earned. Given that disparity, I believe it would be more prudent to work on &quot;upshifting&quot; the many Americans who are under- or unemployed (or in prison) into productive heads of households.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, your "downshifting" argument raises many good issues that go beyond livable streets. But there are other sound reasons for encouraging people to work fulltime, including to some extent keeping Social Security solvent and promoting economic justice. </p>
<p>Toward the latter point, NPR said this morning that in 2004 the average black family earned 54% of what the average white family earned. Given that disparity, I believe it would be more prudent to work on "upshifting" the many Americans who are under- or unemployed (or in prison) into productive heads of households.</p>
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		<title>By: glennQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>glennQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Increased government restrictions in my life and finances never makes me happier. 
I think I know how to make myself happier than any politician or activist thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Increased government restrictions in my life and finances never makes me happier.<br />
I think I know how to make myself happier than any politician or activist thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Icolari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Icolari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron, it&#039;s not just you. 

Lately, I&#039;ve been seeing more and more driver behavior that&#039;s not merely thoughtless or inconsiderate but deliberately and pointedly aggressive. Several months ago, walking at the edge of a road with no sidewalk, I was forced off the road and into a gully the first time, and nearly pinned against a guardrail the second. There was no mistaking the intent.

I think drivers are coming to realize that the game is up, or nearly up; that private transportation arrangements are unraveling, in New York as in a growing number of cities worldwide. Their resentment finds a convenient outlet on our streets, with sometimes murderous consequences. 

As &quot;This Week&#039;s Carnage&quot; reports make all too clear, I can&#039;t as a pedestrian take my physical safety for granted; not in a crosswalk, not on a sidewalk, and as I learned, not at the edge of a road that doesn&#039;t have either one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, it's not just you. </p>
<p>Lately, I've been seeing more and more driver behavior that's not merely thoughtless or inconsiderate but deliberately and pointedly aggressive. Several months ago, walking at the edge of a road with no sidewalk, I was forced off the road and into a gully the first time, and nearly pinned against a guardrail the second. There was no mistaking the intent.</p>
<p>I think drivers are coming to realize that the game is up, or nearly up; that private transportation arrangements are unraveling, in New York as in a growing number of cities worldwide. Their resentment finds a convenient outlet on our streets, with sometimes murderous consequences. </p>
<p>As "This Week's Carnage" reports make all too clear, I can't as a pedestrian take my physical safety for granted; not in a crosswalk, not on a sidewalk, and as I learned, not at the edge of a road that doesn't have either one.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Porter, but I also agree with Dave that the map is weird.  One of the most striking things about my visit to Mali ten years ago was that despite widespread malnutrition and disease, the people there seemed no less happy than Americans; if anything, happier.  I always think of this when I see globalization zealots patting themselves on the back for getting people off of farms and into factories.

The Atlantic Monthly last month had an article about Bhutan, which apparently has an official &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_national_happiness&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gross National Happiness&lt;/a&gt; index - and the Wikipedia article I link to mentions some criticisms with this idea.

As far as I know, measures like Gross Domestic Product were never intended to be measures of well-being.  They were intended to be measures of how likely investers are to get a good return on their investment, which is not the same thing at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Porter, but I also agree with Dave that the map is weird.  One of the most striking things about my visit to Mali ten years ago was that despite widespread malnutrition and disease, the people there seemed no less happy than Americans; if anything, happier.  I always think of this when I see globalization zealots patting themselves on the back for getting people off of farms and into factories.</p>
<p>The Atlantic Monthly last month had an article about Bhutan, which apparently has an official <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_national_happiness" rel="nofollow">Gross National Happiness</a> index - and the Wikipedia article I link to mentions some criticisms with this idea.</p>
<p>As far as I know, measures like Gross Domestic Product were never intended to be measures of well-being.  They were intended to be measures of how likely investers are to get a good return on their investment, which is not the same thing at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Siegel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link above doesn&#039;t work because the period was included in the link.  Try:
http://www.preservenet.com/studies/WorkTimeGlobalWarming.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link above doesn't work because the period was included in the link.  Try:<br />
<a href="http://www.preservenet.com/studies/WorkTimeGlobalWarming.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.preservenet.com/studies/WorkTimeGlobalWarming.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charles Siegel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Non-monetary rewards — like more vacations, or more time with friends or family — are likely to produce more lasting changes in satisfaction.&quot;

That doesn&#039;t imply paternalism.  We need laws that give people the *choice* of downshifting economically - working less and consuming less.  Most Americans don&#039;t have that choice, though the Germans and Dutch do.  See http://www.preservenet.com/studies/WorkTimeGlobalWarming.html.

It is odd that the graphic shows that the wealthiest nations are happiest.  All the research that I have heard about shows that, after a nation reaches a per capita income of about $15,000 (about one-third of US income), further increases in income to not increase happiness.  Within each country, wealthier people tend to be happier; but among countries, greater wealth does not bring greater happiness after you reach this level of basic comfort.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happiness_economics#Happiness_and_GDP.  That chart may be based on research aimed at supporting economic growth, against the overwhelming majority of research showing that economic growth does not increase happiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Non-monetary rewards — like more vacations, or more time with friends or family — are likely to produce more lasting changes in satisfaction."</p>
<p>That doesn't imply paternalism.  We need laws that give people the *choice* of downshifting economically - working less and consuming less.  Most Americans don't have that choice, though the Germans and Dutch do.  See <a href="http://www.preservenet.com/studies/WorkTimeGlobalWarming.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.preservenet.com/studies/WorkTimeGlobalWarming.html</a>.</p>
<p>It is odd that the graphic shows that the wealthiest nations are happiest.  All the research that I have heard about shows that, after a nation reaches a per capita income of about $15,000 (about one-third of US income), further increases in income to not increase happiness.  Within each country, wealthier people tend to be happier; but among countries, greater wealth does not bring greater happiness after you reach this level of basic comfort.  See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happiness_economics#Happiness_and_GDP" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happiness_economics#Happiness_and_GDP</a>.  That chart may be based on research aimed at supporting economic growth, against the overwhelming majority of research showing that economic growth does not increase happiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron, I absolutely agree with you. Of course there is more to life than livable streets. I was just pointing out that I didn&#039;t exactly see the relationship between the graphic and the main point in the text below. I&#039;m probably just being picky though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, I absolutely agree with you. Of course there is more to life than livable streets. I was just pointing out that I didn't exactly see the relationship between the graphic and the main point in the text below. I'm probably just being picky though.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Naparstek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Naparstek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These happiness surveys account for lots of other factors aside from just livable streets-types of issues. The world&#039;s most auto-dependent countries also generally have lots of wealth, high life expectancy, well-fed and literate populations, representative governments... That stuff makes countries &quot;happy&quot; too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These happiness surveys account for lots of other factors aside from just livable streets-types of issues. The world's most auto-dependent countries also generally have lots of wealth, high life expectancy, well-fed and literate populations, representative governments... That stuff makes countries "happy" too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless I have misunderstood something, that is an odd graphic to use. It shows that three of the world&#039;s most auto-dependent countries (US, Australia and Canada) are among its happiest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless I have misunderstood something, that is an odd graphic to use. It shows that three of the world's most auto-dependent countries (US, Australia and Canada) are among its happiest.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave H.</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/11/12/congestion-pricing-will-make-you-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-40127</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some day I will post without a typo: I meant &quot;perfectionism&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some day I will post without a typo: I meant "perfectionism"</p>
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		<title>By: Dave H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh wow, this really opening a Pandora&#039;s box: are paternalism and perfections things that we want to espouse? Should government be in the business of looking out for people&#039;s happiness, even if it appears to those people that it is against their better interests? Fun... my answer is a qualified &#039;yes,&#039; but I can already imagine all the congestion pricing opponents identifying this argument with totalitarianism, communism and lots of other squalid things. They would be wrong, of course, but as for as rhetoric and winning the political debate goes, this may really be pitching them a softball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh wow, this really opening a Pandora's box: are paternalism and perfections things that we want to espouse? Should government be in the business of looking out for people's happiness, even if it appears to those people that it is against their better interests? Fun... my answer is a qualified 'yes,' but I can already imagine all the congestion pricing opponents identifying this argument with totalitarianism, communism and lots of other squalid things. They would be wrong, of course, but as for as rhetoric and winning the political debate goes, this may really be pitching them a softball.</p>
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