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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/31/todays-headlines-273/comment-page-1/#comment-39504</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh,

Feel free to ignore Davis.

But I don&#039;t think you understand that congestion in Manhattan is already terribly expensive. As has been noted many times before, the question is not whether or not we want to pay for congestion -- there is no choice on that -- but rather how we want to pay. Do we want to do pay in wasted time, asthmatic children, and fatal auto accidents? Or do we want to charge the people who generate these things for the negative consequences of their actions?

People have to pay to ride the subway. There&#039;s no reason city streets should be any different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,</p>
<p>Feel free to ignore Davis.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think you understand that congestion in Manhattan is already terribly expensive. As has been noted many times before, the question is not whether or not we want to pay for congestion &#8212; there is no choice on that &#8212; but rather how we want to pay. Do we want to do pay in wasted time, asthmatic children, and fatal auto accidents? Or do we want to charge the people who generate these things for the negative consequences of their actions?</p>
<p>People have to pay to ride the subway. There&#8217;s no reason city streets should be any different.</p>
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		<title>By: Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/31/todays-headlines-273/comment-page-1/#comment-39500</link>
		<dc:creator>Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on, Josh. Sorry to interrupt your daily suckling of Detroit&#039;s dying, saggy teat. I know you&#039;ve got cars to sell and streets to fill with honking, spewing, gridlocked traffic. Keep the dream alive, baby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Josh. Sorry to interrupt your daily suckling of Detroit&#8217;s dying, saggy teat. I know you&#8217;ve got cars to sell and streets to fill with honking, spewing, gridlocked traffic. Keep the dream alive, baby.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what I&#039;m criticizing?  Taxing and charging the shit out of people whereever possible.  &quot;Just charge the working people and everything will be ok&quot;.   My family&#039;s been in Manhattan since 1908, and once upon a time you could work in a hardware store and still afford a place to live.  Not any more.  Manhattan doesn&#039;t need another step toward being a Disneyworld for the very rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what I&#8217;m criticizing?  Taxing and charging the shit out of people whereever possible.  &#8220;Just charge the working people and everything will be ok&#8221;.   My family&#8217;s been in Manhattan since 1908, and once upon a time you could work in a hardware store and still afford a place to live.  Not any more.  Manhattan doesn&#8217;t need another step toward being a Disneyworld for the very rich.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/31/todays-headlines-273/comment-page-1/#comment-39479</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the Daily News would accept a counter-piece in that section, amidst the auto ads?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the Daily News would accept a counter-piece in that section, amidst the auto ads?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Naparstek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Naparstek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, Sean, if Josh wrote that in his Daily News section, that would really make a splash. That&#039;d be something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, Sean, if Josh wrote that in his Daily News section, that would really make a splash. That&#8217;d be something.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TSJM --

Here&#039;s a plan: congestion pricing.

Here&#039;s an article idea: why auto enthusiasts ought to embrace any and all efforts to reduce private-automobile traffic.

My thesis: Driving has become a numbing, dumbed-down activity. Most commuting is no more driving in the lace-back gloves sense of driving than watching a football game on television is exercising. Take cars off the road and make people pay for the privilege of driving and there will be more opportunities to really &lt;i&gt;drive&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TSJM &#8211;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a plan: congestion pricing.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an article idea: why auto enthusiasts ought to embrace any and all efforts to reduce private-automobile traffic.</p>
<p>My thesis: Driving has become a numbing, dumbed-down activity. Most commuting is no more driving in the lace-back gloves sense of driving than watching a football game on television is exercising. Take cars off the road and make people pay for the privilege of driving and there will be more opportunities to really <i>drive</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, you are very clearly criticizing the Mayor&#039;s traffic mitigation plan and presenting Balaker and Staley&#039;s bizzaro concepts as the counterpoint and alternative. You&#039;re entitled to your opinion and you clearly went ahead and expressed it, so why try to pretend otherwise? Here&#039;s what you wrote:

So they charge you eight bucks to come into Manhattan between 6 a.m. and 6 p.m., maybe. A couple of years down the road, it&#039;s 10, then 15, then 25. But is that a long-term solution? How does that help congested neighborhoods that aren&#039;t in Manhattan, like the parking lot that is Flatbush Ave. during peak hours in Brooklyn or the slow-as-molasses Cross Bronx Expressway? In the book &quot;The Road More Traveled,&quot; traffic experts Ted Balaker and Sam Staley talk about steps nearly every city can take to reduce traffic significantly before socking it to the lower and middle class, who will be hardest hit by Mayor Bloomberg&#039;s traffic congestion proposal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, you are very clearly criticizing the Mayor&#8217;s traffic mitigation plan and presenting Balaker and Staley&#8217;s bizzaro concepts as the counterpoint and alternative. You&#8217;re entitled to your opinion and you clearly went ahead and expressed it, so why try to pretend otherwise? Here&#8217;s what you wrote:</p>
<p>So they charge you eight bucks to come into Manhattan between 6 a.m. and 6 p.m., maybe. A couple of years down the road, it&#8217;s 10, then 15, then 25. But is that a long-term solution? How does that help congested neighborhoods that aren&#8217;t in Manhattan, like the parking lot that is Flatbush Ave. during peak hours in Brooklyn or the slow-as-molasses Cross Bronx Expressway? In the book &#8220;The Road More Traveled,&#8221; traffic experts Ted Balaker and Sam Staley talk about steps nearly every city can take to reduce traffic significantly before socking it to the lower and middle class, who will be hardest hit by Mayor Bloomberg&#8217;s traffic congestion proposal.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. An honest mistake. In the same issue of the paper, I was shocked to see that your editor, Michael Goodwin, was writing a rave about Dubai, for which he had just taken an all-expense paid junket. What&#039;s up over there??

On the other hand, I give credit to the Daily News for your investigative local reporting. Far better than the Times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. An honest mistake. In the same issue of the paper, I was shocked to see that your editor, Michael Goodwin, was writing a rave about Dubai, for which he had just taken an all-expense paid junket. What&#8217;s up over there??</p>
<p>On the other hand, I give credit to the Daily News for your investigative local reporting. Far better than the Times.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howdy.

TSJM here.  (The Same Josh Max)

Thanks for reading my writing in the Daily News.  Just wanted to clear up something...

YOUR DRIVE is a weekly 5-article pullout section in the paper, but it&#039;s not an advertorial.   Autos, motorcycles and other vehicles are provided to me for testing by auto manufacturers, and I give my opinion, thumbs up or thumbs down.  Nobody tells me what to say and I&#039;m not in anyone&#039;s pocket, so to speak.  Not even the top guys at the paper tell me what I can and can&#039;t write, nor the advertising department.  

That said---

I wasn&#039;t endorsing or not endorsing Balaker and Staley.  I ran the excerpt because, to quote the spirit of another adopted New Yorker, John Lennon, &quot;We&#039;d all love to see the plan.&quot;  

Feel free to suggest one of your own...one we haven&#039;t heard.
 

JM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howdy.</p>
<p>TSJM here.  (The Same Josh Max)</p>
<p>Thanks for reading my writing in the Daily News.  Just wanted to clear up something&#8230;</p>
<p>YOUR DRIVE is a weekly 5-article pullout section in the paper, but it&#8217;s not an advertorial.   Autos, motorcycles and other vehicles are provided to me for testing by auto manufacturers, and I give my opinion, thumbs up or thumbs down.  Nobody tells me what to say and I&#8217;m not in anyone&#8217;s pocket, so to speak.  Not even the top guys at the paper tell me what I can and can&#8217;t write, nor the advertising department.  </p>
<p>That said&#8212;</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t endorsing or not endorsing Balaker and Staley.  I ran the excerpt because, to quote the spirit of another adopted New Yorker, John Lennon, &#8220;We&#8217;d all love to see the plan.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Feel free to suggest one of your own&#8230;one we haven&#8217;t heard.</p>
<p>JM</p>
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		<title>By: Niccolo Machiavelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niccolo Machiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Building roads depresses congestion in the short term where you build the road, but transfers the congestion to where you didn&#039;t build the road.  So if the LIE adds a lane and traffic is induced to travel in the now open space there will more traffic at the exit ramps and state roads that the LIE exists on to.  Total vehicle miles travelled increases accordingly.

The key to congestion pricing is that it is the only system that interrupts the formula of induced traffic.  Any other decongestion will quickly be filled by traffic that experiences the created space.

It is the Yogi Berra rule, &quot;no one goes to Broadway anymore, its too crowded.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Building roads depresses congestion in the short term where you build the road, but transfers the congestion to where you didn&#8217;t build the road.  So if the LIE adds a lane and traffic is induced to travel in the now open space there will more traffic at the exit ramps and state roads that the LIE exists on to.  Total vehicle miles travelled increases accordingly.</p>
<p>The key to congestion pricing is that it is the only system that interrupts the formula of induced traffic.  Any other decongestion will quickly be filled by traffic that experiences the created space.</p>
<p>It is the Yogi Berra rule, &#8220;no one goes to Broadway anymore, its too crowded.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/31/todays-headlines-273/comment-page-1/#comment-39437</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve went looking for some good &quot;The Road More Travelled&quot; debunking.

This &lt;a href=&quot;http://the-proving-ground.blogspot.com/2007/03/george-wills-traffic-congestion.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog post&lt;/a&gt; was the best I could find on short notice.

Anybody know of any others?

If you google Balaker and Staley, you&#039;ll find a depressingly large number of positive citations in the mainstream press (George Will, among them) and next to no criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve went looking for some good &#8220;The Road More Travelled&#8221; debunking.</p>
<p>This <a href="http://the-proving-ground.blogspot.com/2007/03/george-wills-traffic-congestion.html" rel="nofollow">blog post</a> was the best I could find on short notice.</p>
<p>Anybody know of any others?</p>
<p>If you google Balaker and Staley, you&#8217;ll find a depressingly large number of positive citations in the mainstream press (George Will, among them) and next to no criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Moser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Port Authority has been needing a toll hike for 2-3 years already.  It&#039;s widely expected by those paying attention after NJ&#039;s legislative election this fall.  Story finally broke into real public view in Star-Ledger yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Port Authority has been needing a toll hike for 2-3 years already.  It&#8217;s widely expected by those paying attention after NJ&#8217;s legislative election this fall.  Story finally broke into real public view in Star-Ledger yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: hazletok</title>
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		<dc:creator>hazletok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In continuing with the News article, I was wondering what are the stats regarding the correlation btw building roads and changes in traffic.  My impression was that if roads were built, traffic just increased to cram the capacity.  Is there data showing this to be the case, or that building roads actually has a positive effect on traffic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In continuing with the News article, I was wondering what are the stats regarding the correlation btw building roads and changes in traffic.  My impression was that if roads were built, traffic just increased to cram the capacity.  Is there data showing this to be the case, or that building roads actually has a positive effect on traffic?</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was curious about the News article as well. I have the print version of the paper, and it&#039;s part of a special section about cars with several articles by the same Josh Max. So it&#039;s sort of one big industry advertorial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was curious about the News article as well. I have the print version of the paper, and it&#8217;s part of a special section about cars with several articles by the same Josh Max. So it&#8217;s sort of one big industry advertorial.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;i&gt;News&lt;/i&gt; should be ashamed of letting their columnists retype Sam Staley&#039;s obviously foolish road-building fantasies.  I like how he talks up the A86 tunnel in the Paris suburbs but makes no mention of the other uses of &quot;today&#039;s technology&quot; that are much more widely known - and popular - in the Paris region, like the RER, the tramway and Vélib&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <i>News</i> should be ashamed of letting their columnists retype Sam Staley&#8217;s obviously foolish road-building fantasies.  I like how he talks up the A86 tunnel in the Paris suburbs but makes no mention of the other uses of &#8220;today&#8217;s technology&#8221; that are much more widely known &#8211; and popular &#8211; in the Paris region, like the RER, the tramway and Vélib&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Sen. Kruger pointed out at the CP hearing last week, the first thing Port Authority will do if an $8 CP charge with an offset is instituted, is to increase the toll on the Hudson River Crossings to at least $8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Sen. Kruger pointed out at the CP hearing last week, the first thing Port Authority will do if an $8 CP charge with an offset is instituted, is to increase the toll on the Hudson River Crossings to at least $8.</p>
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