Comments on: The Week in Review http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:31:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Hilary http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/comment-page-1/#comment-38837 Hilary Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:45:12 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/#comment-38837 Sorry= my last post was supposed to be in response to the news roundup story. maybe you can move it? Thanks. Sorry= my last post was supposed to be in response to the news roundup story. maybe you can move it? Thanks.

]]> By: Hilary http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/comment-page-1/#comment-38836 Hilary Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:32:44 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/#comment-38836 I think it is insane to extend the 7 line without connecting it to a waterborne transit node.They have a chance to link it to New Jersey and aren't?? What on earth are they thinking?? I think it is insane to extend the 7 line without connecting it to a waterborne transit node.They have a chance to link it to New Jersey and aren't?? What on earth are they thinking??

]]> By: gecko http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/comment-page-1/#comment-38824 gecko Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:58:21 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/#comment-38824 JF, So maybe NYS could look into helping make the transition to congestion pricing less difficult for people by providing safe cycling on trails and cycle tracks on roadways used by cars, or even multi-modal transport to important connections? And, maybe Brodsky can provide some insight where this would be needed? JF, So maybe NYS could look into helping make the transition to congestion pricing less difficult for people by providing safe cycling on trails and cycle tracks on roadways used by cars, or even multi-modal transport to important connections?

And, maybe Brodsky can provide some insight where this would be needed?

]]> By: JF http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/comment-page-1/#comment-38814 JF Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:06:31 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/#comment-38814 Not all of them. The Old Croton Aqueduct is a <a href="http://nysparks.state.ny.us/parks/info.asp?parkID=170" rel="nofollow">state park</a>, and the North and South County Trailways are <a href="http://www.westchestergov.com/parks/Trailways.htm" rel="nofollow">county parks</a>. There are multiple ways to fund trails. Not to say that the other parkways in Westchester - the Saw Mill River, Taconic, Sprain Brook, Cross County, Hutchinson River and Bear Mountain - couldn't stand to be restored to parkway standards. I know the Hutch used to have a bike path along much of its length - you can still see traces of it in the Bronx, and it's in active use in Saxon Woods County Park. Not all of them. The Old Croton Aqueduct is a state park, and the North and South County Trailways are county parks. There are multiple ways to fund trails.

Not to say that the other parkways in Westchester - the Saw Mill River, Taconic, Sprain Brook, Cross County, Hutchinson River and Bear Mountain - couldn't stand to be restored to parkway standards. I know the Hutch used to have a bike path along much of its length - you can still see traces of it in the Bronx, and it's in active use in Saxon Woods County Park.

]]> By: gecko http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/comment-page-1/#comment-38813 gecko Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:40:50 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/#comment-38813 . . . Moonlit snowy nights would be magical. . . . Moonlit snowy nights would be magical.

]]> By: gecko http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/comment-page-1/#comment-38812 gecko Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:29:16 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/#comment-38812 Or, maybe Brodsky could be convinced to go cycle rail using fast 30-mph hybrid human-electric recumbents bolted to sleeves riding monorails not much different than the guard rail in front of the West Side tow truck pier where the doctor got killed, straight down to Times Square. And, if he went it alone on this crazy thing and got a little buzz on in town, no matter, because coming back he wouldn't have to peddle, he wouldn't be able to hit an awful lot, and steering would be minimal if at all; at least on the rail. Or, maybe Brodsky could be convinced to go cycle rail using fast 30-mph hybrid human-electric recumbents bolted to sleeves riding monorails not much different than the guard rail in front of the West Side tow truck pier where the doctor got killed, straight down to Times Square.

And, if he went it alone on this crazy thing and got a little buzz on in town, no matter, because coming back he wouldn't have to peddle, he wouldn't be able to hit an awful lot, and steering would be minimal if at all; at least on the rail.

]]> By: Hilary Kitasei http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/comment-page-1/#comment-38810 Hilary Kitasei Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:00:40 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/#comment-38810 Just FYI: the Bronx River Parkway is a Scenic Byway - which allows for the maintenance and extension of all those trails! :) Just FYI: the Bronx River Parkway is a Scenic Byway - which allows for the maintenance and extension of all those trails! :)

]]> By: JF http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/comment-page-1/#comment-38809 JF Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:34:38 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/#comment-38809 I'm sure Brodsky's working on it as we speak. I'm sure Brodsky's working on it as we speak.

]]> By: gecko http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/comment-page-1/#comment-38808 gecko Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:05:56 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/#comment-38808 JF, Great map! Seems that all those good bike/pedestrian trails should make getting the cycle track connections easier to achieve. Thanks for the info. JF, Great map! Seems that all those good bike/pedestrian trails should make getting the cycle track connections easier to achieve.

Thanks for the info.

]]> By: JF http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/comment-page-1/#comment-38793 JF Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:21:59 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/#comment-38793 Actually, Gecko, there are quite a few good bike/pedestrian trails in that part of Westchester. <a href="http://www.westchestergov.com/parks/pdfs/Maps/Trailways/SCTrail.pdf" rel="nofollow">This map (PDF)</a> shows the trail that they've made out of the old Putnam Line, plus the parallel Croton Aqueduct and Bronx River Pathway trails. The problem is that they don't connect residential areas to job centers (or even train stations in many cases), so they're not much good for commuting. They're also primarily north-south, and the east-west connections are hard to come by. If you look at that map, you'll see a gap in the South County Trailway right in the middle of Elmsford. That gap has been there since ground was broken on the trail in 1988, and it's not scheduled to be connected until 2009. I just love the idea of the guy with ONE chauffeured black SUV telling us not to let the guy with TWO chauffeured black SUVs run our lives. Actually, Gecko, there are quite a few good bike/pedestrian trails in that part of Westchester. This map (PDF) shows the trail that they've made out of the old Putnam Line, plus the parallel Croton Aqueduct and Bronx River Pathway trails. The problem is that they don't connect residential areas to job centers (or even train stations in many cases), so they're not much good for commuting. They're also primarily north-south, and the east-west connections are hard to come by.

If you look at that map, you'll see a gap in the South County Trailway right in the middle of Elmsford. That gap has been there since ground was broken on the trail in 1988, and it's not scheduled to be connected until 2009.

I just love the idea of the guy with ONE chauffeured black SUV telling us not to let the guy with TWO chauffeured black SUVs run our lives.

]]> By: gecko http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/comment-page-1/#comment-38790 gecko Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:48:04 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/#comment-38790 Sound's like Brodsky's district should get cycle track connections and optimally a network. Can't get over the peddle-powered "Copenhagen SUV" in The Week In Review's picture. Hopefully, the city council won't try to limit use of these also. Sound's like Brodsky's district should get cycle track connections and optimally a network.

Can't get over the peddle-powered "Copenhagen SUV" in The Week In Review's picture. Hopefully, the city council won't try to limit use of these also.

]]> By: JF http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/comment-page-1/#comment-38788 JF Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:06:50 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/#comment-38788 Let's not go overboard, Davis. Brodsky's district is <a href="http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/?ad=092&sh=map" rel="nofollow">very large</a>, and includes towns like White Plains, Tarrytown, Ossining and Mount Kisco that have large nonwhite populations. Some of them are even working class. Many of the well-off areas <i>are</i> accessible from the city (by Metro-North) and from the working-class areas (by foot or bike). My point was that there are large <i>parts</i> of Brodsky's district that are very difficult to get around without a car. No sidewalks, sidewalks on only one side of the street, no shoulders, high traffic volumes, spotty bus service. Many of them (including Elmsford) used to have regular train service, but allowed <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_and_Putnam_Railroad" rel="nofollow">the Putnam line</a> to be abandoned. Elmsford is one of the least welcoming places for non-car users in Westchester. It's that way because of the decisions of wealthy people. Let's not go overboard, Davis. Brodsky's district is very large, and includes towns like White Plains, Tarrytown, Ossining and Mount Kisco that have large nonwhite populations. Some of them are even working class. Many of the well-off areas are accessible from the city (by Metro-North) and from the working-class areas (by foot or bike).

My point was that there are large parts of Brodsky's district that are very difficult to get around without a car. No sidewalks, sidewalks on only one side of the street, no shoulders, high traffic volumes, spotty bus service. Many of them (including Elmsford) used to have regular train service, but allowed the Putnam line to be abandoned. Elmsford is one of the least welcoming places for non-car users in Westchester. It's that way because of the decisions of wealthy people.

]]> By: Davis http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/comment-page-1/#comment-38786 Davis Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:28:45 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/#comment-38786 Are we to assume then that Brodsky entered public life to enable "essentially well meaning, very nice but wealthy people" to enjoy the peace and quiet of Westchester and a free drive into Manhattan? What in the world is this guy talking about? Do people buy it? If there is any Assembly District in NY State that has essentially (and in some cases, literally) put up gates and said: "Poor, non-white peoples: This place is not for you, it's the one he represents. I mean, jesus, at least the Upper East Side of Manhattan has extensive subway and bus service and you can walk or bike there from East Harlem, the South Bronx and Queens. You may not get a dinner invitation to someone's townhouse on 76th and Madison but compared to most of Westchester, the wealthiest precincts of Manhattan are wide open and welcoming to anyone, congestion pricing or not. If people beyond Streetsblog are paying attention at all, I sure hope they aren't buying his populist schtick. Are we to assume then that Brodsky entered public life to enable "essentially well meaning, very nice but wealthy people" to enjoy the peace and quiet of Westchester and a free drive into Manhattan?

What in the world is this guy talking about? Do people buy it?

If there is any Assembly District in NY State that has essentially (and in some cases, literally) put up gates and said: "Poor, non-white peoples: This place is not for you, it's the one he represents.

I mean, jesus, at least the Upper East Side of Manhattan has extensive subway and bus service and you can walk or bike there from East Harlem, the South Bronx and Queens. You may not get a dinner invitation to someone's townhouse on 76th and Madison but compared to most of Westchester, the wealthiest precincts of Manhattan are wide open and welcoming to anyone, congestion pricing or not.

If people beyond Streetsblog are paying attention at all, I sure hope they aren't buying his populist schtick.

]]> By: galvo http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/comment-page-1/#comment-38773 galvo Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:49:00 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/19/the-week-in-review-3/#comment-38773 i think brodsky live on saw mill river road /rt 9a in elmsford . there is no sidewak on that road and the section in front of his house was totally resurfaced and rebuilt not that long ago. This is the flattest north- south road in Westchester, it would have been great to put shoulders on the road to enable bicycles , but no shoulders were added , they kept it a very dangerous road for bicyclist. mr brodsky should be forced to take a bus on xmas and thanskgiving to visit his family, he would be waiting out side a very longtime i think brodsky live on saw mill river road /rt 9a in elmsford . there is no sidewak on that road and the section in front of his house was totally resurfaced and rebuilt not that long ago. This is the flattest north- south road in Westchester, it would have been great to put shoulders on the road to enable bicycles , but no shoulders were added , they kept it a very dangerous road for bicyclist.
mr brodsky should be forced to take a bus on xmas and thanskgiving to visit his family, he would be waiting out side a very longtime

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