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	<title>Comments on: Two Cyclists Killed in Brooklyn This Morning</title>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/18/two-cyclists-killed-in-brooklyn-this-morning/comment-page-1/#comment-38821</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rest in peace, honey. You are loved and missed by many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rest in peace, honey. You are loved and missed by many.</p>
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		<title>By: ericaStar*</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/18/two-cyclists-killed-in-brooklyn-this-morning/comment-page-1/#comment-38817</link>
		<dc:creator>ericaStar*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF... so many people get killed by trucks!!! I&#039;m so sorry Craig, you didn&#039;t deserve to go this way. 
NOT like this!
You are missed so much.. 
I always missed you </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF... so many people get killed by trucks!!! I'm so sorry Craig, you didn't deserve to go this way.<br />
NOT like this!<br />
You are missed so much..<br />
I always missed you</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Ravin</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/18/two-cyclists-killed-in-brooklyn-this-morning/comment-page-1/#comment-38804</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Ravin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. I&#039;m amazed the cops have charged someone for vehicular manslaughter in a cyclist death.  The only other time in recent memory that they&#039;ve done something even remotely like this (charge a sober motorist with wrongdoing for hitting a cyclist) was that for firefighter knocked down by a bus during the transit strike.

2. In all too many cases of cyclists being killed by motorists, the killer driver is also the only witness.  Is it any surprise that they so often report that the cyclist was in the wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. I'm amazed the cops have charged someone for vehicular manslaughter in a cyclist death.  The only other time in recent memory that they've done something even remotely like this (charge a sober motorist with wrongdoing for hitting a cyclist) was that for firefighter knocked down by a bus during the transit strike.</p>
<p>2. In all too many cases of cyclists being killed by motorists, the killer driver is also the only witness.  Is it any surprise that they so often report that the cyclist was in the wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Brooklynbikeranddriver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooklynbikeranddriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyclists (especially fixed gear ones in the city) please be safe and wear helmets. Blame is constantly thrown onto drivers because they typically do not get hurt when these accidents occur, whether or not they are at fault. I think all parties need to be more aware. Drivers, Cyclists, and Pedestrians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyclists (especially fixed gear ones in the city) please be safe and wear helmets. Blame is constantly thrown onto drivers because they typically do not get hurt when these accidents occur, whether or not they are at fault. I think all parties need to be more aware. Drivers, Cyclists, and Pedestrians.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yo craig, 
i know you are rocking the TMNT (illest hat of all time)
and smashing thru M dumplings where ever you are homey.

miss you dog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yo craig,<br />
i know you are rocking the TMNT (illest hat of all time)<br />
and smashing thru M dumplings where ever you are homey.</p>
<p>miss you dog.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, you&#039;ll be missed.  You were one of the kindest, most giving, big-hearted people I&#039;ve ever met.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, you'll be missed.  You were one of the kindest, most giving, big-hearted people I've ever met.</p>
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		<title>By: luvpuppet</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/18/two-cyclists-killed-in-brooklyn-this-morning/comment-page-1/#comment-38721</link>
		<dc:creator>luvpuppet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is sad...cyclists be careful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is sad...cyclists be careful!</p>
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		<title>By: mork</title>
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		<dc:creator>mork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 03:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/19/nyregion/19mbrfs-CYCLIST.html

&lt;blockquote&gt;
October 19, 2007
Brooklyn: Driver Charged in Fatal Accident

A Brooklyn man was arrested yesterday after an accident that killed a
bicyclist near the intersection of Fulton Street and Utica Avenue, the
police said. The man, Alfred Taylor, 41, of Flushing Avenue, struck the
bicyclist about 6:21 a.m., the police said. Mr. Taylor was charged with
criminally negligent homicide after it was determined that he had been
speeding, the police said. The police did not name the bicyclist.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If he didn&#039;t leave the scene and wasn&#039;t drunk, it&#039;s pretty significant that negligent homicide charges were levied for &quot;only&quot; speeding.</description>
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<blockquote><p>
October 19, 2007<br />
Brooklyn: Driver Charged in Fatal Accident</p>
<p>A Brooklyn man was arrested yesterday after an accident that killed a<br />
bicyclist near the intersection of Fulton Street and Utica Avenue, the<br />
police said. The man, Alfred Taylor, 41, of Flushing Avenue, struck the<br />
bicyclist about 6:21 a.m., the police said. Mr. Taylor was charged with<br />
criminally negligent homicide after it was determined that he had been<br />
speeding, the police said. The police did not name the bicyclist.
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<p>If he didn't leave the scene and wasn't drunk, it's pretty significant that negligent homicide charges were levied for "only" speeding.</p>
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		<title>By: elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I want to know is how the driver allegedly saw him and still hit him?
Are there witnesses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I want to know is how the driver allegedly saw him and still hit him?<br />
Are there witnesses?</p>
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		<title>By: cristina</title>
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		<dc:creator>cristina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RIP craig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIP craig.</p>
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		<title>By: Dane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Police reports on bike and ped fatalities simply can&#039;t be trusted. It&#039;s almost always presented as the cyclist or walker&#039;s fault. The cops empathize with the motorists and approach the scene as &quot;an accident&quot; pretty much no matter what happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Police reports on bike and ped fatalities simply can't be trusted. It's almost always presented as the cyclist or walker's fault. The cops empathize with the motorists and approach the scene as "an accident" pretty much no matter what happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, riding the wrong way down the street AND trying to &quot;beat&quot; a truck = a recipe for disaster. It&#039;s just a pointless, tragic loss that could&#039;ve been avoided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, riding the wrong way down the street AND trying to "beat" a truck = a recipe for disaster. It's just a pointless, tragic loss that could've been avoided.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, rlb, I missed the &quot;wrong direction&quot; part.  It&#039;s more understandable that the driver wasn&#039;t charged, then, although it&#039;s still not something that people should die for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, rlb, I missed the "wrong direction" part.  It's more understandable that the driver wasn't charged, then, although it's still not something that people should die for.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was another pedestrian (bike or leg, I don&#039;t know which) struck on 121st Street &amp; Atlantic Ave in Queens last night; he or she suffered a traumatic arrest, which is when your heart stops beating because it&#039;s been injured. I heard it come over the EMS radio, but didn&#039;t see anything in the newspapers. Jamaica Hospital might know more; I think they took the patient there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was another pedestrian (bike or leg, I don't know which) struck on 121st Street &amp; Atlantic Ave in Queens last night; he or she suffered a traumatic arrest, which is when your heart stops beating because it's been injured. I heard it come over the EMS radio, but didn't see anything in the newspapers. Jamaica Hospital might know more; I think they took the patient there.</p>
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		<title>By: rlb</title>
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		<dc:creator>rlb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;cycling in the wrong direction&quot; 
Do you think this means on one-way Ten Eyck or on the wrong side of the street on Union?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"cycling in the wrong direction"<br />
Do you think this means on one-way Ten Eyck or on the wrong side of the street on Union?</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/18/two-cyclists-killed-in-brooklyn-this-morning/comment-page-1/#comment-38692</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He was allegedly trying to beat the oil truck, turning from southbound Union Avenue to Ten Eyck Street, when he was struck.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If he was &quot;trying to beat&quot; the truck, it probably means that he was in the street to the left of the truck, and thus had the right of way.  Unless he came up from behind the truck with no warning, the driver should be cited for failure to yield.

If he was riding in the crosswalk, that&#039;s exactly the kind of crash that vehicular cycling advocates say is caused by separated bike paths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He was allegedly trying to beat the oil truck, turning from southbound Union Avenue to Ten Eyck Street, when he was struck.</p></blockquote>
<p>If he was "trying to beat" the truck, it probably means that he was in the street to the left of the truck, and thus had the right of way.  Unless he came up from behind the truck with no warning, the driver should be cited for failure to yield.</p>
<p>If he was riding in the crosswalk, that's exactly the kind of crash that vehicular cycling advocates say is caused by separated bike paths.</p>
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