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	<title>Comments on: Illinois Adopts &#8220;Complete Streets&#8221; Into Law</title>
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		<title>By: socialscientist</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/17/illinois-first-state-to-adopt-complete-streets-into-law/comment-page-1/#comment-38730</link>
		<dc:creator>socialscientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A step in the wrong direction and a waste of money. An attempt to save the private auto from its necessary and inevitable extinction.</description>
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		<title>By: Eric Fredericks</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/17/illinois-first-state-to-adopt-complete-streets-into-law/comment-page-1/#comment-38643</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Fredericks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angus,

The article above should have stated that it is all urban areas. By census definition, it would include urbanized areas and urban clusters - covering most every city and town: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_area

I assume that they did not want this to apply to country roads, and perhaps that would help us here in California overcome some of our barriers to AB 1358.

Hooray for my home state! Although, looks like Massachusetts was the first. That was way before the term complete streets was used I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angus,</p>
<p>The article above should have stated that it is all urban areas. By census definition, it would include urbanized areas and urban clusters - covering most every city and town: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_area" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_area</a></p>
<p>I assume that they did not want this to apply to country roads, and perhaps that would help us here in California overcome some of our barriers to AB 1358.</p>
<p>Hooray for my home state! Although, looks like Massachusetts was the first. That was way before the term complete streets was used I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that there needs to be a movement, with a coalition leading it, to provide basic facilities for people to walk from one place to another, is completely shameful.

Also, why just urban areas?  Many towns and cities are a comfortable walking distance apart (and many more are a comfortable cycling distance apart), and there are lots of country and suburb dwellers (including &lt;b&gt;but not limited to&lt;/b&gt; the elderly, teenagers and the disabled) who don&#039;t have access to cars or public transportation.

I know that urban areas might just be a first step, but I think it&#039;s important to think and talk in terms of long-term goals.  Limiting this to urban areas makes no sense in the long term.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;We didn&#039;t build sidewalks here for 50 years,&quot; says Norm Steinman, planning manager for Charlotte&#039;s transportation department. &quot;Streets designed by traffic engineers in the &#039;60s, &#039;70s, &#039;80s and &#039;90s were mostly for autos.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It&#039;s worse than that.  In these years, miles and miles of sidewalks in North Carolina were &lt;b&gt;removed&lt;/b&gt; from the streets - demapped, torn up and transferred to lawns and parking lots.  If you walk around some of the older downtowns, you can still see traces (assuming you don&#039;t get run over first).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that there needs to be a movement, with a coalition leading it, to provide basic facilities for people to walk from one place to another, is completely shameful.</p>
<p>Also, why just urban areas?  Many towns and cities are a comfortable walking distance apart (and many more are a comfortable cycling distance apart), and there are lots of country and suburb dwellers (including <b>but not limited to</b> the elderly, teenagers and the disabled) who don't have access to cars or public transportation.</p>
<p>I know that urban areas might just be a first step, but I think it's important to think and talk in terms of long-term goals.  Limiting this to urban areas makes no sense in the long term.</p>
<blockquote><p>"We didn't build sidewalks here for 50 years," says Norm Steinman, planning manager for Charlotte's transportation department. "Streets designed by traffic engineers in the '60s, '70s, '80s and '90s were mostly for autos."</p></blockquote>
<p>It's worse than that.  In these years, miles and miles of sidewalks in North Carolina were <b>removed</b> from the streets - demapped, torn up and transferred to lawns and parking lots.  If you walk around some of the older downtowns, you can still see traces (assuming you don't get run over first).</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Accustomed to the stubborn backwardness of so many of our local pols, when I read on Streetsblog all this news about smart initiatives in Chicago and Illinois, I am starting to think those are actually fictional places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Accustomed to the stubborn backwardness of so many of our local pols, when I read on Streetsblog all this news about smart initiatives in Chicago and Illinois, I am starting to think those are actually fictional places.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The three-foot clearance rule for motorists passing bicyclists is excellent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The three-foot clearance rule for motorists passing bicyclists is excellent.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the photo above... Why do planners &amp; designers so often insist on textured bike lanes?  It sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the photo above... Why do planners &amp; designers so often insist on textured bike lanes?  It sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great initiative, but I think it&#039;s incorrect to credit Illinois as the first state.

In 1996, Massachusetts enacted Chapter 90E, Section 2A:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The commissioner shall make all reasonable provisions for the accommodation of bicycle and pedestrian traffic in the planning, design, and construction, reconstruction or maintenance of any project undertaken by the department. Such provisions that are unreasonable shall include, but not be limited to, those which the commissioner, after appropriate review by the bicycle program coordinator, determines would be contrary to acceptable standards of public safety, degrade environmental quality or conflict with existing rights of way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What Illinois did is great, but Massachusetts got there a decade ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great initiative, but I think it's incorrect to credit Illinois as the first state.</p>
<p>In 1996, Massachusetts enacted Chapter 90E, Section 2A:</p>
<blockquote><p>The commissioner shall make all reasonable provisions for the accommodation of bicycle and pedestrian traffic in the planning, design, and construction, reconstruction or maintenance of any project undertaken by the department. Such provisions that are unreasonable shall include, but not be limited to, those which the commissioner, after appropriate review by the bicycle program coordinator, determines would be contrary to acceptable standards of public safety, degrade environmental quality or conflict with existing rights of way.</p></blockquote>
<p>What Illinois did is great, but Massachusetts got there a decade ago.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great initiative!</description>
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