Comments on: Fact Remains: No Congestion Pricing = No Federal Funds http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/15/fact-remains-no-congestion-pricing-no-federal-funds/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:31:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: drose http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/15/fact-remains-no-congestion-pricing-no-federal-funds/comment-page-1/#comment-38506 drose Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:16:04 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/15/fact-remains-no-congestion-pricing-no-federal-funds/#comment-38506 Carfree Chicago, San Francisco is using their UPA funds to set up a toll charge on Doyle Drive, i.e. the road leading to the Golden Gate Bridge. If this had not been part of their proposal, they would not have received UPA funds from the DOT. Carfree Chicago,

San Francisco is using their UPA funds to set up a toll charge on Doyle Drive, i.e. the road leading to the Golden Gate Bridge. If this had not been part of their proposal, they would not have received UPA funds from the DOT.

]]> By: JK http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/15/fact-remains-no-congestion-pricing-no-federal-funds/comment-page-1/#comment-38501 JK Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:01:55 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/15/fact-remains-no-congestion-pricing-no-federal-funds/#comment-38501 Congestion pricing is a term of art referring to roadway or street pricing. That is how Mayor Bloomberg proposed it and the FHWA defines it. FHWA's "What is Congestion Pricing" *Variably priced lanes, involving variable tolls on separated lanes within a highway, such as Express Toll Lanes or HOT Lanes, i.e. High Occupancy Toll lanes * Variable tolls on entire roadways - both on toll roads and bridges, as well as on existing toll-free facilities during rush hours * Cordon charges - either variable or fixed charges to drive within or into a congested area within a city * Area-wide charges - per-mile charges on all roads within an area that may vary by level of congestion. http://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/congestionpricing/sec2.htm Congestion pricing is a term of art referring to roadway or street pricing. That is how Mayor Bloomberg proposed it and the FHWA defines it.
FHWA's "What is Congestion Pricing"
*Variably priced lanes, involving variable tolls on separated lanes within a highway, such as Express Toll Lanes or HOT Lanes, i.e. High Occupancy Toll lanes
* Variable tolls on entire roadways - both on toll roads and bridges, as well as on existing toll-free facilities during rush hours
* Cordon charges - either variable or fixed charges to drive within or into a congested area within a city
* Area-wide charges - per-mile charges on all roads within an area that may vary by level of congestion.

http://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/congestionpricing/sec2.htm

]]> By: Dave H. http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/15/fact-remains-no-congestion-pricing-no-federal-funds/comment-page-1/#comment-38493 Dave H. Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:13:06 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/15/fact-remains-no-congestion-pricing-no-federal-funds/#comment-38493 Corey, Since there is uncertainty about whether your proposal would qualify for federal funding, could you (or one of its other backers) ask USDOT? I do not see why they wouldn't tell us, or at least tell us what process they would have for deciding. Corey,

Since there is uncertainty about whether your proposal would qualify for federal funding, could you (or one of its other backers) ask USDOT? I do not see why they wouldn't tell us, or at least tell us what process they would have for deciding.

]]> By: Corey Bearak http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/15/fact-remains-no-congestion-pricing-no-federal-funds/comment-page-1/#comment-38489 Corey Bearak Tue, 16 Oct 2007 05:45:16 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/15/fact-remains-no-congestion-pricing-no-federal-funds/#comment-38489 This post is dead wrong. The Alternative Approaches report recommendations qualify for the federal money. Carfree Chicago gets it. Value Pricing measures are the key here. As to MOUs and MOAs, they are different than contracts. Throughout my government career, I have never been a fan of either device. -Corey Bearak This post is dead wrong. The Alternative Approaches report recommendations qualify for the federal money. Carfree Chicago gets it. Value Pricing measures are the key here.
As to MOUs and MOAs, they are different than contracts. Throughout my government career, I have never been a fan of either device.
-Corey Bearak

]]> By: Carfree Chicago http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/15/fact-remains-no-congestion-pricing-no-federal-funds/comment-page-1/#comment-38482 Carfree Chicago Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:18:50 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/15/fact-remains-no-congestion-pricing-no-federal-funds/#comment-38482 Note that value pricing for parking is generally considered a form of congestion pricing. San Francisco will be implementing it as part of their Urban Partnership Agreement. http://www.upa.dot.gov/agreements/sanfrancisco.htm I think it's worth pursuing the idea with USDOT before going ahead with cordon pricing. Having subsidized parking in Manhattan is only going to work in the reverse direction of the congestion pricing. It would make sense to deal with the parking issue first. Note that value pricing for parking is generally considered a form of congestion pricing. San Francisco will be implementing it as part of their Urban Partnership Agreement.

http://www.upa.dot.gov/agreements/sanfrancisco.htm

I think it's worth pursuing the idea with USDOT before going ahead with cordon pricing. Having subsidized parking in Manhattan is only going to work in the reverse direction of the congestion pricing. It would make sense to deal with the parking issue first.

]]> By: JK http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/15/fact-remains-no-congestion-pricing-no-federal-funds/comment-page-1/#comment-38477 JK Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:45:06 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/15/fact-remains-no-congestion-pricing-no-federal-funds/#comment-38477 East River Bridge tolls and a toll cordon across 86th/60th seem consistent with the feds requirement. ------------------------------------ In the event that the New York State legislature enacts and the New York City Council approves an alternative congestion mitigation plan, the Department and the Urban Partner agree to negotiate the funding of such plan if it: (a) Is reasonably expected to reduce average vehicle miles traveled by at least 6.3 percent across a geographic area of similar size and travel characteristics to the area proposed for pricing under the Mayor's Plan; (b) Uses pricing as the principal mechanism for achieving this congestion reduction; (c) Includes at least an eighteen month operation of congestion pricing; East River Bridge tolls and a toll cordon across 86th/60th seem consistent with the feds requirement.

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In the event that the New York State legislature enacts and the New York City Council approves an alternative congestion mitigation plan, the Department and the Urban Partner agree to negotiate the funding of such plan if it:

(a) Is reasonably expected to reduce average vehicle miles traveled by at least 6.3 percent across a geographic area of similar size and travel characteristics to the area proposed for pricing under the Mayor's Plan;

(b) Uses pricing as the principal mechanism for achieving this congestion reduction;
(c) Includes at least an eighteen month operation of congestion pricing;

]]> By: query http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/15/fact-remains-no-congestion-pricing-no-federal-funds/comment-page-1/#comment-38472 query Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:01:20 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/10/15/fact-remains-no-congestion-pricing-no-federal-funds/#comment-38472 Could congestion pricing be applied at the bridge and tunnels instead of a million places throughout the zone and still be eligible? Could congestion pricing be applied at the bridge and tunnels instead of a million places throughout the zone and still be eligible?

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