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	<title>Comments on: Bike &amp; Ped Improvements Slated for Manhattan Bridge Approach</title>
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		<title>By: government official</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/27/bike-ped-improvements-slated-for-manhattan-bridge-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-36561</link>
		<dc:creator>government official</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Flushing Avenue reconstruction is at least a year behind schedule which, considering the size of the project, isn&#039;t really all that bad, although it does mean a longer wait for the Sand Street bike path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Flushing Avenue reconstruction is at least a year behind schedule which, considering the size of the project, isn't really all that bad, although it does mean a longer wait for the Sand Street bike path.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/27/bike-ped-improvements-slated-for-manhattan-bridge-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-36325</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>do bicyclists often run into fences rather than deal with the horror of turning!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do bicyclists often run into fences rather than deal with the horror of turning!?</p>
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		<title>By: daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/27/bike-ped-improvements-slated-for-manhattan-bridge-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-36304</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al et al - 

the problem they&#039;re trying to fix with the fence is that cyclists descending an abrupt 8% grade into a blind corner are occasionally hitting peds and are u-turning West onto Eastbound Canal.  Now cyclists will hit a fence instead.  It&#039;s great that there will be fewer bike-ped collisions, but it&#039;s still a crumby solution to tweak another crumby solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al et al - </p>
<p>the problem they're trying to fix with the fence is that cyclists descending an abrupt 8% grade into a blind corner are occasionally hitting peds and are u-turning West onto Eastbound Canal.  Now cyclists will hit a fence instead.  It's great that there will be fewer bike-ped collisions, but it's still a crumby solution to tweak another crumby solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/27/bike-ped-improvements-slated-for-manhattan-bridge-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-36273</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original press release said that the Sands Street project would begin construction &quot;in 2006&quot; as part of the ongoing Flushing Avenue reconstruction.  Nothing about any relation to the bridge work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original press release said that the Sands Street project would begin construction "in 2006" as part of the ongoing Flushing Avenue reconstruction.  Nothing about any relation to the bridge work.</p>
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		<title>By: mork</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/27/bike-ped-improvements-slated-for-manhattan-bridge-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-36270</link>
		<dc:creator>mork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Sands Street

I took a look at it today from the B train.  I could still see construction equipment being stored there.

Hasn&#039;t the plan always been to finish the current Manhattan Bridge repairs and then start on the bike lane there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Sands Street</p>
<p>I took a look at it today from the B train.  I could still see construction equipment being stored there.</p>
<p>Hasn't the plan always been to finish the current Manhattan Bridge repairs and then start on the bike lane there?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/27/bike-ped-improvements-slated-for-manhattan-bridge-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-36262</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 01:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another component of this same project -- turning excess street space into park space at Hester and Forsyth -- is well underway.  So I&#039;d expect construction to proceed quickly at Canal as well.

The real mystery is what happened to Sands Street.  Has it been totally forgotten?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another component of this same project -- turning excess street space into park space at Hester and Forsyth -- is well underway.  So I'd expect construction to proceed quickly at Canal as well.</p>
<p>The real mystery is what happened to Sands Street.  Has it been totally forgotten?</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/27/bike-ped-improvements-slated-for-manhattan-bridge-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-36251</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m THRILLED that the DOT is doing something about this stretch at long last. It sounds like the new recruits in the agency are plugging away at fixing many of the most glaring problems in the pedestrian and bike network. Kudos to them for bringing some common sense into that agency!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm THRILLED that the DOT is doing something about this stretch at long last. It sounds like the new recruits in the agency are plugging away at fixing many of the most glaring problems in the pedestrian and bike network. Kudos to them for bringing some common sense into that agency!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian D</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/27/bike-ped-improvements-slated-for-manhattan-bridge-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-36250</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The DOT press office did not respond to questions about the project and would not say when it would be completed.&quot;

I just rode through here last Thursday and noticed the pavement markings. I was able to see that the off-street 2-way bike lane was marked off, so this news backs up my theory.

My thinking is that if the pavement markings are already in place, the project&#039;s implementation can&#039;t be far off. They wouldn&#039;t make surface markings if they weren&#039;t planning on doing it very soon.

While I, too, would prefer to be able to ride right off the bridge and onto Chrystie St., I understand the reasons that this is being prevented. The combination of the speed of cyclists exiting the bridge coupled with the blind turn that cars coming off the bridge make onto eastbound Canal would make for fatal conflicts. The only ways to prevent it would be to dream that cyclists would observe a traffic signal (anyone want to debate whether that would commonly happen?) or reverse the traffic direction on that segment of Canal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The DOT press office did not respond to questions about the project and would not say when it would be completed."</p>
<p>I just rode through here last Thursday and noticed the pavement markings. I was able to see that the off-street 2-way bike lane was marked off, so this news backs up my theory.</p>
<p>My thinking is that if the pavement markings are already in place, the project's implementation can't be far off. They wouldn't make surface markings if they weren't planning on doing it very soon.</p>
<p>While I, too, would prefer to be able to ride right off the bridge and onto Chrystie St., I understand the reasons that this is being prevented. The combination of the speed of cyclists exiting the bridge coupled with the blind turn that cars coming off the bridge make onto eastbound Canal would make for fatal conflicts. The only ways to prevent it would be to dream that cyclists would observe a traffic signal (anyone want to debate whether that would commonly happen?) or reverse the traffic direction on that segment of Canal.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/27/bike-ped-improvements-slated-for-manhattan-bridge-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-36249</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is wonderful news. The Brooklyn side isn&#039;t too great either, though, especially around the BQE...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is wonderful news. The Brooklyn side isn't too great either, though, especially around the BQE...</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary Kitasei</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/27/bike-ped-improvements-slated-for-manhattan-bridge-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-36243</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilary Kitasei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of bike paths on bridges... I was wondering why a lane on the underutilized direction can&#039;t be allocated for bikes which would go against the traffic (e.g., a southbound lane of the Henry Hudson Bridge in the evening, and a northbound one in the morning). Couldn&#039;t this work on the Verrazano and every bridge without a bike lane? I noticed in the DC area how often lanes are reversed to accommodate traffic flows. Why not to accommodate bikes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of bike paths on bridges... I was wondering why a lane on the underutilized direction can't be allocated for bikes which would go against the traffic (e.g., a southbound lane of the Henry Hudson Bridge in the evening, and a northbound one in the morning). Couldn't this work on the Verrazano and every bridge without a bike lane? I noticed in the DC area how often lanes are reversed to accommodate traffic flows. Why not to accommodate bikes?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/27/bike-ped-improvements-slated-for-manhattan-bridge-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-36242</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A much better plan would be to channel bike traffic next to the park up Forsyth to Houston Street.  Forsyth is virtually traffic-free and plenty wide enough for a separated bike path along the park; it would be far safer than any of the other major alternatives (Bowery, Chrystie, Allen).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A much better plan would be to channel bike traffic next to the park up Forsyth to Houston Street.  Forsyth is virtually traffic-free and plenty wide enough for a separated bike path along the park; it would be far safer than any of the other major alternatives (Bowery, Chrystie, Allen).</p>
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		<title>By: Ace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some simple signs reminding us that no peds on the uptown side and no bikes on the downtown side would be nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some simple signs reminding us that no peds on the uptown side and no bikes on the downtown side would be nice.</p>
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		<title>By: mork</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/27/bike-ped-improvements-slated-for-manhattan-bridge-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-36239</link>
		<dc:creator>mork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s too bad bikes can&#039;t just go straight from the bike path onto Chrystie, parallel to the motor traffic coming off the bridge.  Going down to Forsyth and back up is where the real problem lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's too bad bikes can't just go straight from the bike path onto Chrystie, parallel to the motor traffic coming off the bridge.  Going down to Forsyth and back up is where the real problem lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/27/bike-ped-improvements-slated-for-manhattan-bridge-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-36235</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bad design?  care to elaborate, daniel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bad design?  care to elaborate, daniel?</p>
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		<title>By: Brooklyn</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/27/bike-ped-improvements-slated-for-manhattan-bridge-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-36232</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooklyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a nice acknowledgement of actual use -- that block of Canal seems lightly used by cars and trucks, at least relative to the madness that is the Bowery intersection.  

Inbound from Brooklyn, I&#039;ve never seen a cyclist continue east on Canal.  99.9% of them will take the one-block wrong way in order to go north on Chrystie Street.  The design of the ramp is retarded (as pointed out by the presentation) but these changes will ameliorate the worst hazards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a nice acknowledgement of actual use -- that block of Canal seems lightly used by cars and trucks, at least relative to the madness that is the Bowery intersection.  </p>
<p>Inbound from Brooklyn, I've never seen a cyclist continue east on Canal.  99.9% of them will take the one-block wrong way in order to go north on Chrystie Street.  The design of the ramp is retarded (as pointed out by the presentation) but these changes will ameliorate the worst hazards.</p>
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		<title>By: sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/27/bike-ped-improvements-slated-for-manhattan-bridge-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-36231</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the mess that is the Brooklyn side of the Manhattan Bridge? I almost have gotten killed several times by cars speeding to get on the BQE. Not to mention the terrible shape the streets are in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the mess that is the Brooklyn side of the Manhattan Bridge? I almost have gotten killed several times by cars speeding to get on the BQE. Not to mention the terrible shape the streets are in.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary Kitasei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilary Kitasei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be nice if the project could include removal of the electronic message sign that looms up in front of the grand arch and flanking colonnades designed by Carrerre and Hastings. It is a shame that one of the greatest long views in the city is marred. How was it allowed to happen in the first place? Doesn&#039;t the Art Commission review things like this??

Everytime I see that structure -- and the sea of billboards -- I&#039;m reminded that Canal Street became the transmanhattan expressway even without Robert Moses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice if the project could include removal of the electronic message sign that looms up in front of the grand arch and flanking colonnades designed by Carrerre and Hastings. It is a shame that one of the greatest long views in the city is marred. How was it allowed to happen in the first place? Doesn't the Art Commission review things like this??</p>
<p>Everytime I see that structure -- and the sea of billboards -- I'm reminded that Canal Street became the transmanhattan expressway even without Robert Moses.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh.  Yet again DOT tries to bolster a bad design by adding a failure fence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh.  Yet again DOT tries to bolster a bad design by adding a failure fence.</p>
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