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	<title>Comments on: Remainder of Federal Pot Goes to Toll Plans</title>
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		<title>By: mfs</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/23/remainder-of-federal-pot-goes-to-toll-plans/comment-page-1/#comment-36113</link>
		<dc:creator>mfs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HOT lanes are the latest false &quot;no-pain&quot; solution to fixing the problems of sprawl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HOT lanes are the latest false &#8220;no-pain&#8221; solution to fixing the problems of sprawl.</p>
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		<title>By: jmc</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/23/remainder-of-federal-pot-goes-to-toll-plans/comment-page-1/#comment-36082</link>
		<dc:creator>jmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure if you take a look at how many trips will be effected and how much additional transit capacity will be created the money given to New York will be ~10x more effective. 

I can understand the political reasoning behind the grant to Minneapolis, however the South Florida and SF proposals seem like pork to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure if you take a look at how many trips will be effected and how much additional transit capacity will be created the money given to New York will be ~10x more effective. </p>
<p>I can understand the political reasoning behind the grant to Minneapolis, however the South Florida and SF proposals seem like pork to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/23/remainder-of-federal-pot-goes-to-toll-plans/comment-page-1/#comment-36081</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/23/remainder-of-federal-pot-goes-to-toll-plans/comment-page-1/#comment-36079</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,

I&#039;m not much of a supporter of the HOT lanes in South Florida. First of all, I wouldn&#039;t call this &quot;congestion pricing&quot;. It&#039;d call it variable pricing, which is totally different from Bloomberg&#039;s plan or London&#039;s system. It&#039;s basically just another road-based policy for reducing expressway congestion, which unfortunately is usually the primary goal of planners in SoFla (opposed to making the region more livable/sustainable). 

There&#039;s actually a funny video used in the Herald recently that touts the success of HOT lanes in California. However, if you watch the video closely, you&#039;ll see that next to the free-flowing HOT lane traffic, there are still four-to-five lanes of regular traffic that is hardly moving at all. Plus, hybrid vehicles get a free ride in the HOT lanes, which sends the message that it&#039;s fine to drive all you want in South Florida as long as have a hybrid. 

As you mentioned above, you didn&#039;t see any requirement for Miami/Ft. Lauderdale to invest the toll money into transit. Well, that&#039;s because there isn&#039;t one. Nope, it will all be reinvested into road projects and services, at least for the foreseeable future. 

Basically the only potential benefit that could come from this is improved express bus service in the HOT lanes between Ft Lauderdale and Miami. However, there&#039;s a problem, here. People still need to get to the express bus stops, and I&#039;ll tell you, it is extremely hostile to pedestrians/cyclists up and down the entire I-95 corridor. They&#039;ll probably offer free parking at the park n&#039; ride stations, and everyone is going to drive to the express bus lots. This practically ensures congestion will remain bad on I-95 in the &quot;free lanes&quot;, and remain bad in neighborhoods that are absorbing park n&#039; ride traffic. 

Even the supporters of the HOT lanes claim it&#039;s good for &quot;guaranteeing high-speed travel on a particular day when people have to be on time&quot;. That sounds like mediocrity to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not much of a supporter of the HOT lanes in South Florida. First of all, I wouldn&#8217;t call this &#8220;congestion pricing&#8221;. It&#8217;d call it variable pricing, which is totally different from Bloomberg&#8217;s plan or London&#8217;s system. It&#8217;s basically just another road-based policy for reducing expressway congestion, which unfortunately is usually the primary goal of planners in SoFla (opposed to making the region more livable/sustainable). </p>
<p>There&#8217;s actually a funny video used in the Herald recently that touts the success of HOT lanes in California. However, if you watch the video closely, you&#8217;ll see that next to the free-flowing HOT lane traffic, there are still four-to-five lanes of regular traffic that is hardly moving at all. Plus, hybrid vehicles get a free ride in the HOT lanes, which sends the message that it&#8217;s fine to drive all you want in South Florida as long as have a hybrid. </p>
<p>As you mentioned above, you didn&#8217;t see any requirement for Miami/Ft. Lauderdale to invest the toll money into transit. Well, that&#8217;s because there isn&#8217;t one. Nope, it will all be reinvested into road projects and services, at least for the foreseeable future. </p>
<p>Basically the only potential benefit that could come from this is improved express bus service in the HOT lanes between Ft Lauderdale and Miami. However, there&#8217;s a problem, here. People still need to get to the express bus stops, and I&#8217;ll tell you, it is extremely hostile to pedestrians/cyclists up and down the entire I-95 corridor. They&#8217;ll probably offer free parking at the park n&#8217; ride stations, and everyone is going to drive to the express bus lots. This practically ensures congestion will remain bad on I-95 in the &#8220;free lanes&#8221;, and remain bad in neighborhoods that are absorbing park n&#8217; ride traffic. </p>
<p>Even the supporters of the HOT lanes claim it&#8217;s good for &#8220;guaranteeing high-speed travel on a particular day when people have to be on time&#8221;. That sounds like mediocrity to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/23/remainder-of-federal-pot-goes-to-toll-plans/comment-page-1/#comment-36078</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,

I&#039;m not much of a supporter of the HOT lanes in South Florida. First of all, it bothers me when people (mostly South Floridians) call this &quot;congestion pricing&quot;, because it&#039;s definitely not. It&#039;s variable pricing, which is totally different from Bloomberg&#039;s plan or London&#039;s system. It&#039;s basically just another road-based policy for reducing expressway congestion, which unfortunately is the primary goal of planners in SoFla (opposed to making the region more livable/sustainable). 

There&#039;s actually a funny video used in the Herald recently that touts the success of HOT lanes in California. However, if you watch the video closely, you&#039;ll see that next to the free-flowing HOT lane traffic, there are still four-to-five lanes of regular traffic that is hardly moving at all. Plus, hybrid vehicles get a free ride in the HOT lanes, which sends the message that it&#039;s fine to drive all you want in South Florida as long as have a hybrid. 

As you mentioned above, you didn&#039;t see any requirement for Miami/Ft. Lauderdale to invest the toll money into transit. Well, that&#039;s because there isn&#039;t one. Nope, it will all be reinvested into road projects and services, at least for the foreseeable future. 

Basically the only potential benefit that could come from this is improved express bus service in the HOT lanes between Ft Lauderdale and Miami. However, there&#039;s a problem, here. People still need to get to the express bus stops, and I&#039;ll tell you, it is extremely hostile to pedestrians/cyclists up and down the entire I-95 corridor. They&#039;ll probably offer free parking at the park n&#039; ride stations, and everyone is going to drive to the express bus lots. This practically ensures congestion will remain bad on I-95 in the &quot;free lanes&quot;, and remain bad in neighborhoods that are absorbing park n&#039; ride traffic. 

Even the supporters of the HOT lanes claim it&#039;s good for &quot;guaranteeing high-speed travel on a particular day when people have to be on time&quot;. That sounds like mediocrity to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not much of a supporter of the HOT lanes in South Florida. First of all, it bothers me when people (mostly South Floridians) call this &#8220;congestion pricing&#8221;, because it&#8217;s definitely not. It&#8217;s variable pricing, which is totally different from Bloomberg&#8217;s plan or London&#8217;s system. It&#8217;s basically just another road-based policy for reducing expressway congestion, which unfortunately is the primary goal of planners in SoFla (opposed to making the region more livable/sustainable). </p>
<p>There&#8217;s actually a funny video used in the Herald recently that touts the success of HOT lanes in California. However, if you watch the video closely, you&#8217;ll see that next to the free-flowing HOT lane traffic, there are still four-to-five lanes of regular traffic that is hardly moving at all. Plus, hybrid vehicles get a free ride in the HOT lanes, which sends the message that it&#8217;s fine to drive all you want in South Florida as long as have a hybrid. </p>
<p>As you mentioned above, you didn&#8217;t see any requirement for Miami/Ft. Lauderdale to invest the toll money into transit. Well, that&#8217;s because there isn&#8217;t one. Nope, it will all be reinvested into road projects and services, at least for the foreseeable future. </p>
<p>Basically the only potential benefit that could come from this is improved express bus service in the HOT lanes between Ft Lauderdale and Miami. However, there&#8217;s a problem, here. People still need to get to the express bus stops, and I&#8217;ll tell you, it is extremely hostile to pedestrians/cyclists up and down the entire I-95 corridor. They&#8217;ll probably offer free parking at the park n&#8217; ride stations, and everyone is going to drive to the express bus lots. This practically ensures congestion will remain bad on I-95 in the &#8220;free lanes&#8221;, and remain bad in neighborhoods that are absorbing park n&#8217; ride traffic. </p>
<p>Even the supporters of the HOT lanes claim it&#8217;s good for &#8220;guaranteeing high-speed travel on a particular day when people have to be on time&#8221;. That sounds like mediocrity to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Niccolo Machiavelli</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/23/remainder-of-federal-pot-goes-to-toll-plans/comment-page-1/#comment-36075</link>
		<dc:creator>Niccolo Machiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot of useful information in this piece but it will require a little disection before we should go applauding these numbers.  On the face of it we got the largest gross amount but since none of these burgs contains remotely as many people as we have in the MTA counties our per capita distribution could easily be viewed as asstoundingly small.  For the time being I&#039;ll wait to see if Larry Littlefield will pile on these numbers to put this in some sort of perspective.  There are ways to look at this that actually make us look screwed once again by the &quot;donor&quot; states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of useful information in this piece but it will require a little disection before we should go applauding these numbers.  On the face of it we got the largest gross amount but since none of these burgs contains remotely as many people as we have in the MTA counties our per capita distribution could easily be viewed as asstoundingly small.  For the time being I&#8217;ll wait to see if Larry Littlefield will pile on these numbers to put this in some sort of perspective.  There are ways to look at this that actually make us look screwed once again by the &#8220;donor&#8221; states.</p>
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