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	<title>Comments on: Transit-Oriented America, Part 3: Three More Cities</title>
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		<title>By: John Z Wetmore</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/22/transit-oriented-america-part-3-three-more-cities/comment-page-1/#comment-36240</link>
		<dc:creator>John Z Wetmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For another example of &quot;No Pedestrian Crossing&quot; problems at transit stations, look to suburban Philadelphia.  Pennsylvania is probably the national leader in &quot;No Pedestrian Crossing&quot; signs.
It&#039;s the third interview on Episode 75 of &quot;Perils For Pedestrians&quot;, on Google Video at:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2078585805421228809</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For another example of &#8220;No Pedestrian Crossing&#8221; problems at transit stations, look to suburban Philadelphia.  Pennsylvania is probably the national leader in &#8220;No Pedestrian Crossing&#8221; signs.<br />
It&#8217;s the third interview on Episode 75 of &#8220;Perils For Pedestrians&#8221;, on Google Video at:<br />
<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2078585805421228809" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2078585805421228809</a></p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/22/transit-oriented-america-part-3-three-more-cities/comment-page-1/#comment-36181</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While living in Los Angeles over the past year, I found myself at the intersection in question several times on my way from downtown to Union Station and vice versa. I also was struck by the irony of the LADOT&#039;s decision to install the sign right next a major transit hub. The traffic volumes at this intersection aren&#039;t high enough to justify the inconvenience to pedestrians.

Unfortunately, this isn&#039;t an isolated instance of a prohibited pedestrian crossing in Los Angeles, where the focus is invariably on maximizing automobile throughput.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While living in Los Angeles over the past year, I found myself at the intersection in question several times on my way from downtown to Union Station and vice versa. I also was struck by the irony of the LADOT&#8217;s decision to install the sign right next a major transit hub. The traffic volumes at this intersection aren&#8217;t high enough to justify the inconvenience to pedestrians.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this isn&#8217;t an isolated instance of a prohibited pedestrian crossing in Los Angeles, where the focus is invariably on maximizing automobile throughput.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/22/transit-oriented-america-part-3-three-more-cities/comment-page-1/#comment-36130</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, pedestrian bridges &lt;i&gt;sound&lt;/i&gt; nice (&quot;we&#039;re spending all this money to build a big facility for YOU, the pedestrians!&quot;), but they actually undermine liveable streets principles.  After all, you can&#039;t build a pedestrian bridge at every intersection.

In general, &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; mixing of pedestrians with other modes tends to legitimize the role of pedestrians, slow down drivers and reduce crashes.  But of course it&#039;s not effective if the pedestrians are just tossed into a mix that favors cars.  It seems pretty clear to me that the solution to this is to calm Alameda enough so that you can have multiple crosswalks and still be safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, pedestrian bridges <i>sound</i> nice (&#8220;we&#8217;re spending all this money to build a big facility for YOU, the pedestrians!&#8221;), but they actually undermine liveable streets principles.  After all, you can&#8217;t build a pedestrian bridge at every intersection.</p>
<p>In general, <i>more</i> mixing of pedestrians with other modes tends to legitimize the role of pedestrians, slow down drivers and reduce crashes.  But of course it&#8217;s not effective if the pedestrians are just tossed into a mix that favors cars.  It seems pretty clear to me that the solution to this is to calm Alameda enough so that you can have multiple crosswalks and still be safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Mercer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Mercer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading all the other posts, I believe a good idea would be a pedestrian bridge over Alameda to make a better connection between Union Station and La Plaza.

One more note: The reason L.A. Street and Alameda are laid out so weird: these streets were among the first in L.A. and were laid out around 1780.  Little thought was given to future growth.  

In fact, that wacky curve in L.A. Street wasn&#039;t there before the Hollywood Freeway was built, around 1950.  Before that, the two streets just met at a non-perpendicular angle, as did Alameda and Main Street, two blocks north.  Main was also reconfigured to make a turn so as to hit Alameda at a 90 degree angle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading all the other posts, I believe a good idea would be a pedestrian bridge over Alameda to make a better connection between Union Station and La Plaza.</p>
<p>One more note: The reason L.A. Street and Alameda are laid out so weird: these streets were among the first in L.A. and were laid out around 1780.  Little thought was given to future growth.  </p>
<p>In fact, that wacky curve in L.A. Street wasn&#8217;t there before the Hollywood Freeway was built, around 1950.  Before that, the two streets just met at a non-perpendicular angle, as did Alameda and Main Street, two blocks north.  Main was also reconfigured to make a turn so as to hit Alameda at a 90 degree angle.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Mercer</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/22/transit-oriented-america-part-3-three-more-cities/comment-page-1/#comment-36124</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Mercer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron:

I always ignore those &quot;crosswalk over there&quot; signs, since it is legal to cross at any intersection, marked or not.  (Unless it specifically says you can&#039;t, which this does, I guess.)

I&#039;m probably just lucky that I haven&#039;t been hit by a truck or gotten a ticket.  I do wait for the walk signal on the other side of the intersection and I do try to lock eyes with the drivers that are trying to turn right or whatever so they know what I&#039;m doing.  I figure if I ever get caught I&#039;ll plead ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron:</p>
<p>I always ignore those &#8220;crosswalk over there&#8221; signs, since it is legal to cross at any intersection, marked or not.  (Unless it specifically says you can&#8217;t, which this does, I guess.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably just lucky that I haven&#8217;t been hit by a truck or gotten a ticket.  I do wait for the walk signal on the other side of the intersection and I do try to lock eyes with the drivers that are trying to turn right or whatever so they know what I&#8217;m doing.  I figure if I ever get caught I&#8217;ll plead ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I just want to emphasize that we were not walking around &lt;em&gt;looking&lt;/em&gt; for a Starbucks. We were looking for a breakfast place in the hotel where we would have stayed (New Otani), which we found. We walked past the Starbucks on the way and it looked cool with an inviting outdoor plaza. So we bought some drinks and bought some time before catching the next train.

We just thought it was bizarre that there would be any &quot;no crossing&quot; signs in front of a major train station, but there&#039;s obviously a disconnect between our New York sensibilities and reality in L.A. Hey, &lt;a href=&quot;http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40711FF3E5B0C708EDDA00894D1494D81&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AAA gave us an award for pedestrian-friendly design&lt;/a&gt;, and I&#039;m starting to get why.

Here&#039;s the route we took (yes, we probably should have gone into the grand plaza leading up to the station, but we had no idea what we were doing).

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.startsandfits.com/images/AD_Honeymoon_Los_Angeles_Map.jpg&quot;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I just want to emphasize that we were not walking around <em>looking</em> for a Starbucks. We were looking for a breakfast place in the hotel where we would have stayed (New Otani), which we found. We walked past the Starbucks on the way and it looked cool with an inviting outdoor plaza. So we bought some drinks and bought some time before catching the next train.</p>
<p>We just thought it was bizarre that there would be any &#8220;no crossing&#8221; signs in front of a major train station, but there&#8217;s obviously a disconnect between our New York sensibilities and reality in L.A. Hey, <a href="http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40711FF3E5B0C708EDDA00894D1494D81" rel="nofollow">AAA gave us an award for pedestrian-friendly design</a>, and I&#8217;m starting to get why.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the route we took (yes, we probably should have gone into the grand plaza leading up to the station, but we had no idea what we were doing).</p>
<p><img src="http://www.startsandfits.com/images/AD_Honeymoon_Los_Angeles_Map.jpg"/></p>
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		<title>By: LA MapNerd</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/22/transit-oriented-america-part-3-three-more-cities/comment-page-1/#comment-36103</link>
		<dc:creator>LA MapNerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angus, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the six lanes of traffic on Alameda that&#039;s the real problem - it&#039;s the traffic going in and out of Union Station by way of that funky intersection.

But Alameda &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; one of the major thoroughfares into and out of downtown LA, and Olvera Street/Union Station aren&#039;t really &quot;popular pedestrian destinations&quot;.  As I said before, most everyone who arrives at Union Station arrives by other means - and the parking for Olvera Street is on the other side of the Plaza.

The pedestrian traffic there isn&#039;t really all that heavy - it&#039;s just that what pedestrian traffic there is tends to be inattentive and distracted, while many of the drivers are half-lost, confused civilians, or cab drivers in a hurry.

I&#039;m sure the whole street could be massively reconfigured to improve pedestrian access while bollixing up (aka &quot;calming&quot;) traffic flow, but it would then be a major bottleneck, unlikely to lead to anything resembling &quot;calm&quot;.

So I wouldn&#039;t hold my breath waiting for it to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angus, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the six lanes of traffic on Alameda that&#8217;s the real problem &#8211; it&#8217;s the traffic going in and out of Union Station by way of that funky intersection.</p>
<p>But Alameda <i>is</i> one of the major thoroughfares into and out of downtown LA, and Olvera Street/Union Station aren&#8217;t really &#8220;popular pedestrian destinations&#8221;.  As I said before, most everyone who arrives at Union Station arrives by other means &#8211; and the parking for Olvera Street is on the other side of the Plaza.</p>
<p>The pedestrian traffic there isn&#8217;t really all that heavy &#8211; it&#8217;s just that what pedestrian traffic there is tends to be inattentive and distracted, while many of the drivers are half-lost, confused civilians, or cab drivers in a hurry.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the whole street could be massively reconfigured to improve pedestrian access while bollixing up (aka &#8220;calming&#8221;) traffic flow, but it would then be a major bottleneck, unlikely to lead to anything resembling &#8220;calm&#8221;.</p>
<p>So I wouldn&#8217;t hold my breath waiting for it to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: LA MapNerd</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/22/transit-oriented-america-part-3-three-more-cities/comment-page-1/#comment-36101</link>
		<dc:creator>LA MapNerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;almost in places&quot; = &quot;almost always in places&quot;.



Even former poorfeaders could use a Preview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;almost in places&#8221; = &#8220;almost always in places&#8221;.</p>
<p>Even former poorfeaders could use a Preview.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/22/transit-oriented-america-part-3-three-more-cities/comment-page-1/#comment-36099</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, would it be possible to calm that boulevard?  Do you really need six lanes of traffic running right between popular pedestrian destinations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, would it be possible to calm that boulevard?  Do you really need six lanes of traffic running right between popular pedestrian destinations?</p>
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		<title>By: LA MapNerd</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/22/transit-oriented-america-part-3-three-more-cities/comment-page-1/#comment-36097</link>
		<dc:creator>LA MapNerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I was being sarcastic.

And, yes, I agree that crosswalks are important for livable neighborhoods - but &quot;a crosswalk at every corner&quot; isn&#039;t always good policy.

Indeed, official policy in LA is that every intersection &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a legal crosswalk, whether it&#039;s marked or not - with the (relatively rare) exception of corners where crossing is specifically forbidden by &quot;No Crossing&quot; signs - as is the case here.

Those exceptions are almost in places where oddities of the roadway configuration present unusual hazards to pedestrians - as this one does.

MRS-MAN (#20) has the basics of it, but you should also bear in mind the Plaza (that big  round tree-lined thingy west of the intersection), and Olvera Street - the pedestrian-only street north of the Plaza - are well-known semi-historical tourist attractions.

(I say &quot;semi-historical&quot;, because Olvera Street is a 1930s-era attempt to create a tourist attraction - a Mexican-style open-air mercado - as a sort of &quot;historical theme park&quot; built around a number of genuine historical buildings, including some of the oldest surviving structures in Los Angeles.  The Plaza and its surrounding buildings are the core of &quot;old Los Angeles&quot; - the Pueblo de Nuestra Senora La Reina de Los Angeles, the agricultural settlement founded to support the Mission San Gabriel.)

And of course Union Station itself is also a substantial (though generally under-appreciated!) tourist attraction.

The painted crosswalk, you will notice, leads to the side of the street you need to be on in order to get from Union Station to the Plaza and Olvera Street.

A great many of the people crossing Alameda at that corner will be tourists, headed from Union Station to Olvera Street or vice-versa.  

A great many of the cars driving in and out of Union Station will be Angelenos - but not necessarily downtown locals - picking up or dropping off travelers. 

Both of these groups are likely to be unfamiliar with the area, and distracted by having their attention on other things - their visitors, their destinations, trying to puzzle out the signage to see which way to go, and so on.

Couple that with the unusual configuration of the street that MRS-MAN notes above - essentially a single divided street with a very wide median, encountered just after rounding a substantial curve - and you have a recipe for car-vs.-pedestrian encounters with unfortunate and potentially tragic consequences. 

Thus, the &quot;No Crossing&quot; signs posted on the corners that don&#039;t really lead to useful destinations, and the single legal crosswalk that goes where most people are &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; headed, whether they realize it or not.

And though Union Station is a major transit hub, very few commuters will be arriving on foot - mostly, they&#039;ll be arriving on some form of transit, as I noted above.

&quot;Livable neighborhoods&quot; are important - and the very recent completion of new infill mixed-use retail/housing projects in that area will make that even more important in years to come - but clinging to some simplistic rote principle like &quot;a crosswalk at every corner&quot; is just foolish when it&#039;s liable to get people injured or killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I was being sarcastic.</p>
<p>And, yes, I agree that crosswalks are important for livable neighborhoods &#8211; but &#8220;a crosswalk at every corner&#8221; isn&#8217;t always good policy.</p>
<p>Indeed, official policy in LA is that every intersection <i>is</i> a legal crosswalk, whether it&#8217;s marked or not &#8211; with the (relatively rare) exception of corners where crossing is specifically forbidden by &#8220;No Crossing&#8221; signs &#8211; as is the case here.</p>
<p>Those exceptions are almost in places where oddities of the roadway configuration present unusual hazards to pedestrians &#8211; as this one does.</p>
<p>MRS-MAN (#20) has the basics of it, but you should also bear in mind the Plaza (that big  round tree-lined thingy west of the intersection), and Olvera Street &#8211; the pedestrian-only street north of the Plaza &#8211; are well-known semi-historical tourist attractions.</p>
<p>(I say &#8220;semi-historical&#8221;, because Olvera Street is a 1930s-era attempt to create a tourist attraction &#8211; a Mexican-style open-air mercado &#8211; as a sort of &#8220;historical theme park&#8221; built around a number of genuine historical buildings, including some of the oldest surviving structures in Los Angeles.  The Plaza and its surrounding buildings are the core of &#8220;old Los Angeles&#8221; &#8211; the Pueblo de Nuestra Senora La Reina de Los Angeles, the agricultural settlement founded to support the Mission San Gabriel.)</p>
<p>And of course Union Station itself is also a substantial (though generally under-appreciated!) tourist attraction.</p>
<p>The painted crosswalk, you will notice, leads to the side of the street you need to be on in order to get from Union Station to the Plaza and Olvera Street.</p>
<p>A great many of the people crossing Alameda at that corner will be tourists, headed from Union Station to Olvera Street or vice-versa.  </p>
<p>A great many of the cars driving in and out of Union Station will be Angelenos &#8211; but not necessarily downtown locals &#8211; picking up or dropping off travelers. </p>
<p>Both of these groups are likely to be unfamiliar with the area, and distracted by having their attention on other things &#8211; their visitors, their destinations, trying to puzzle out the signage to see which way to go, and so on.</p>
<p>Couple that with the unusual configuration of the street that MRS-MAN notes above &#8211; essentially a single divided street with a very wide median, encountered just after rounding a substantial curve &#8211; and you have a recipe for car-vs.-pedestrian encounters with unfortunate and potentially tragic consequences. </p>
<p>Thus, the &#8220;No Crossing&#8221; signs posted on the corners that don&#8217;t really lead to useful destinations, and the single legal crosswalk that goes where most people are <i>really</i> headed, whether they realize it or not.</p>
<p>And though Union Station is a major transit hub, very few commuters will be arriving on foot &#8211; mostly, they&#8217;ll be arriving on some form of transit, as I noted above.</p>
<p>&#8220;Livable neighborhoods&#8221; are important &#8211; and the very recent completion of new infill mixed-use retail/housing projects in that area will make that even more important in years to come &#8211; but clinging to some simplistic rote principle like &#8220;a crosswalk at every corner&#8221; is just foolish when it&#8217;s liable to get people injured or killed.</p>
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		<title>By: MRS-MAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MRS-MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also took a look at the aerial photo.  Los Angeles St. is basically a north-south street that turns eastward to meet Alameda at Union Station.  At the corner of Alameda, Los Angeles Street has a fairly wide median, wide enough that the intersection of Alameda and Los Angeles can be viewed as two intersections.  The only legal crossing is the northern sidewalk of the northern intersection.

What about the other potential crosswalks?  Well, if a crosswalk were put in place at the northern part of the southern intersection or the southern part of the northern intersection, that would leave pedestrians in the median, which disappears as L.A. St. heads to the south.  So that does not leave pedestrians a good place to go.

What about the southern part of the southern intersection (where the picture was taken).  Well, a crosswalk there would lead pedestrians to walk on the eastern side of L.A. Street.  But a few feet further south, there is a huge on-ramp to the northbound 101 freeway.  Cars turning from L.A. street to the 101 would be a danger to the pedestrains, so the city eliminated the sidewalk on the eastern side of L.A. street in this area.  To discourage more pedestrians, they also prohibited the crossing where you were trying to cross.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also took a look at the aerial photo.  Los Angeles St. is basically a north-south street that turns eastward to meet Alameda at Union Station.  At the corner of Alameda, Los Angeles Street has a fairly wide median, wide enough that the intersection of Alameda and Los Angeles can be viewed as two intersections.  The only legal crossing is the northern sidewalk of the northern intersection.</p>
<p>What about the other potential crosswalks?  Well, if a crosswalk were put in place at the northern part of the southern intersection or the southern part of the northern intersection, that would leave pedestrians in the median, which disappears as L.A. St. heads to the south.  So that does not leave pedestrians a good place to go.</p>
<p>What about the southern part of the southern intersection (where the picture was taken).  Well, a crosswalk there would lead pedestrians to walk on the eastern side of L.A. Street.  But a few feet further south, there is a huge on-ramp to the northbound 101 freeway.  Cars turning from L.A. street to the 101 would be a danger to the pedestrains, so the city eliminated the sidewalk on the eastern side of L.A. street in this area.  To discourage more pedestrians, they also prohibited the crossing where you were trying to cross.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It&#039;s a wonder you weren&#039;t mugged and dumped behind a warehouse somewhere.&lt;/i&gt;

I was more concerned about getting run over. I mean there were other people walking in the area. Maybe we were just in a bad part of LA for walking. 

We should go back to LA some day and get one of the locals to show us how to have a good time there without a car. I think people are too mean to LA. Let&#039;s give it a chance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It&#8217;s a wonder you weren&#8217;t mugged and dumped behind a warehouse somewhere.</i></p>
<p>I was more concerned about getting run over. I mean there were other people walking in the area. Maybe we were just in a bad part of LA for walking. </p>
<p>We should go back to LA some day and get one of the locals to show us how to have a good time there without a car. I think people are too mean to LA. Let&#8217;s give it a chance!</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/22/transit-oriented-america-part-3-three-more-cities/comment-page-1/#comment-36033</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MapNerd, you&#039;re being sarcastic about the crosswalks, right?  You do agree that crosswalks and other walking facilities are important for liveable streets?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MapNerd, you&#8217;re being sarcastic about the crosswalks, right?  You do agree that crosswalks and other walking facilities are important for liveable streets?</p>
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		<title>By: LA MapNerd</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/22/transit-oriented-america-part-3-three-more-cities/comment-page-1/#comment-36032</link>
		<dc:creator>LA MapNerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait.  I just re-read this entry.

You were walking around the Plaza dragging your &lt;i&gt;luggage?&lt;/i&gt;  Looking for a &lt;i&gt;Starbucks?&lt;/i&gt;

Hahahaha!

This gets better by the moment.  

It&#039;s a wonder you weren&#039;t mugged and dumped behind a warehouse somewhere.

Next time, just a hang a sign around your neck that says &quot;CAN ANYONE TELL ME HOW TO GET TO DISNEYLAND?&quot;, and maybe some of the locals will take pity on you and send you off to Anaheim, where everybody&#039;s nice to tourists, and all the corners have crosswalks.

[I&#039;d put smileys on several of the lines above, because, really, I kid - but your blogging software would just turn them into hideous little GIFs.  So you&#039;ll just have to imagine how amused I am by all this. Thanks, you&#039;ve really made my day.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait.  I just re-read this entry.</p>
<p>You were walking around the Plaza dragging your <i>luggage?</i>  Looking for a <i>Starbucks?</i></p>
<p>Hahahaha!</p>
<p>This gets better by the moment.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a wonder you weren&#8217;t mugged and dumped behind a warehouse somewhere.</p>
<p>Next time, just a hang a sign around your neck that says &#8220;CAN ANYONE TELL ME HOW TO GET TO DISNEYLAND?&#8221;, and maybe some of the locals will take pity on you and send you off to Anaheim, where everybody&#8217;s nice to tourists, and all the corners have crosswalks.</p>
<p>[I'd put smileys on several of the lines above, because, really, I kid - but your blogging software would just turn them into hideous little GIFs.  So you'll just have to imagine how amused I am by all this. Thanks, you've really made my day.]</p>
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		<title>By: LA MapNerd</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/22/transit-oriented-america-part-3-three-more-cities/comment-page-1/#comment-36031</link>
		<dc:creator>LA MapNerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There should be a crosswalk at every corner&quot;?

Dude, are you serious?  This is LA.

What - do you think people &lt;i&gt;walk&lt;/i&gt; to Union Station? :-)

We take the Subway.  Or the Light Rail.  Or Amtrak.  Or the Metrolink.  Or the Flyaway Bus.  Or the Rapid Bus.  Or the DASH Bus.  Or a Local Bus. Or a ZipCar. Or a taxicab. Or a pedicab. 

(And, yes, sometimes we even &lt;i&gt;drive our own cars.&lt;/i&gt;)

But &lt;i&gt;walk?&lt;/i&gt; :-)

I mean, seriously: you come to LA, to Union Station, the very heart and hub of modern-day LA transit, to do a feature on &quot;Transit-Oriented America&quot;, and all you can do is complain about the &lt;i&gt;crosswalk&lt;/i&gt; placement?

This really cracks me up. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There should be a crosswalk at every corner&#8221;?</p>
<p>Dude, are you serious?  This is LA.</p>
<p>What &#8211; do you think people <i>walk</i> to Union Station? <img src='http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We take the Subway.  Or the Light Rail.  Or Amtrak.  Or the Metrolink.  Or the Flyaway Bus.  Or the Rapid Bus.  Or the DASH Bus.  Or a Local Bus. Or a ZipCar. Or a taxicab. Or a pedicab. </p>
<p>(And, yes, sometimes we even <i>drive our own cars.</i>)</p>
<p>But <i>walk?</i> <img src='http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I mean, seriously: you come to LA, to Union Station, the very heart and hub of modern-day LA transit, to do a feature on &#8220;Transit-Oriented America&#8221;, and all you can do is complain about the <i>crosswalk</i> placement?</p>
<p>This really cracks me up. <img src='http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dan Icolari</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/22/transit-oriented-america-part-3-three-more-cities/comment-page-1/#comment-36030</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Icolari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really pleased to read your warts &#039;n all endorsement of rail travel. It&#039;s an idea I&#039;ve been mulling over--a new way to make my annual pilgrimmage to Denver in December. After reading your comments, I&#039;m taking the plunge--one way, anyway. Thanks, Aaron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really pleased to read your warts &#8216;n all endorsement of rail travel. It&#8217;s an idea I&#8217;ve been mulling over&#8211;a new way to make my annual pilgrimmage to Denver in December. After reading your comments, I&#8217;m taking the plunge&#8211;one way, anyway. Thanks, Aaron.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Donovan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/22/transit-oriented-america-part-3-three-more-cities/comment-page-1/#comment-36029</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobby, that was the crosswalk we used. There should be a crosswalk at &lt;em&gt;every&lt;/em&gt; corner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby, that was the crosswalk we used. There should be a crosswalk at <em>every</em> corner.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Boland</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/22/transit-oriented-america-part-3-three-more-cities/comment-page-1/#comment-36028</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Boland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Aaron. Great series.

I&#039;m not Pete, but I&#039;ll weigh in quickly on the S.F. parking compromise. It&#039;s a step back, but a baby one--most importantly, it would preserve the progressive downtown parking restrictions that the original initiative would have gutted, and won&#039;t let homeowners extend driveways through bus stops (no, really--that was proposed). And, there&#039;s a much greater step forward for local transit on the November ballot. So a lot of us here are feeling like we dodged a bullet. The original initiative would have passed if for no other reasons than its backers had money to burn, and that as much as we might like to deny it, San Francisco is still part of California.

Anyway, great series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Aaron. Great series.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not Pete, but I&#8217;ll weigh in quickly on the S.F. parking compromise. It&#8217;s a step back, but a baby one&#8211;most importantly, it would preserve the progressive downtown parking restrictions that the original initiative would have gutted, and won&#8217;t let homeowners extend driveways through bus stops (no, really&#8211;that was proposed). And, there&#8217;s a much greater step forward for local transit on the November ballot. So a lot of us here are feeling like we dodged a bullet. The original initiative would have passed if for no other reasons than its backers had money to burn, and that as much as we might like to deny it, San Francisco is still part of California.</p>
<p>Anyway, great series.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/22/transit-oriented-america-part-3-three-more-cities/comment-page-1/#comment-36025</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Fisher Initiative (aka &quot;Parking for Neighborhoods&quot;) appears to be dead in the water, after a compromise worked out by the president of our Board of Supervisors - another ballot measure will surface in February that will allow some new parking, but not the horrendous changes that were written into the November proposition.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks for that info, Pete.  Can you tell us whether that compromise measure is any good?  It sounds like any new parking allowances/requirements would be a step back from what you currently have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Fisher Initiative (aka &#8220;Parking for Neighborhoods&#8221;) appears to be dead in the water, after a compromise worked out by the president of our Board of Supervisors &#8211; another ballot measure will surface in February that will allow some new parking, but not the horrendous changes that were written into the November proposition.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks for that info, Pete.  Can you tell us whether that compromise measure is any good?  It sounds like any new parking allowances/requirements would be a step back from what you currently have.</p>
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		<title>By: bobby</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/22/transit-oriented-america-part-3-three-more-cities/comment-page-1/#comment-36023</link>
		<dc:creator>bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Aaron, but if you look at the aerial photo in google maps there is a crosswalk on the north side of the driveway, leading directly to the plaza with the fountain.

Probably harder to see from ground level. From your photo it looks like you were on the south side. Oh so close!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Aaron, but if you look at the aerial photo in google maps there is a crosswalk on the north side of the driveway, leading directly to the plaza with the fountain.</p>
<p>Probably harder to see from ground level. From your photo it looks like you were on the south side. Oh so close!</p>
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