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	<title>Comments on: Cool New Thing: What&#8217;s Your Walk Score?</title>
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		<title>By: stead</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/02/cool-new-thing-whats-your-walk-score/comment-page-1/#comment-147251</link>
		<dc:creator>stead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: differ</title>
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		<dc:creator>differ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pound; <a href="http://lauriebrandt.com/" rel="nofollow">propranolol</a>;</p>
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		<title>By: Buildensely</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/02/cool-new-thing-whats-your-walk-score/comment-page-1/#comment-35084</link>
		<dc:creator>Buildensely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as a former New Yorker, I have to admit I was a bit hesitant to plug in my current office address.  But since it gave my little Midwestern downtown a 100/100, I love Walkscore.com!  ;-)  

But seriously...  Bravo, walkscore people!  While I do agree that it demonstrates potential rather than actual accessibility, what a powerful and elegantly simple idea.  Keep working on it!

Oh, and if you&#039;re geeked enough about streetscapes, walkability, and place making (and want to know what Main St. got that 100/100), you can watch a 19-minute film I made as my master&#039;s thesis here:

mlive.com/aanews/video/flash/index.ssf?20061001_livelydowntown

(A propos to walkscore, listen for that telltale adjective of a great block:  &quot;lots of.&quot;  Enjoy, and feel free to email me comments:  kirkow [the at symbol] umich.edu.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as a former New Yorker, I have to admit I was a bit hesitant to plug in my current office address.  But since it gave my little Midwestern downtown a 100/100, I love Walkscore.com!  <img src='http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>But seriously&#8230;  Bravo, walkscore people!  While I do agree that it demonstrates potential rather than actual accessibility, what a powerful and elegantly simple idea.  Keep working on it!</p>
<p>Oh, and if you&#8217;re geeked enough about streetscapes, walkability, and place making (and want to know what Main St. got that 100/100), you can watch a 19-minute film I made as my master&#8217;s thesis here:</p>
<p>mlive.com/aanews/video/flash/index.ssf?20061001_livelydowntown</p>
<p>(A propos to walkscore, listen for that telltale adjective of a great block:  &#8220;lots of.&#8221;  Enjoy, and feel free to email me comments:  kirkow [the at symbol] umich.edu.)</p>
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		<title>By: Happy Feet</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/02/cool-new-thing-whats-your-walk-score/comment-page-1/#comment-35032</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy Feet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome any site that is promoting and helping to explain walkability so hats off to WalkScore for that.  

That said, the absence of info on sidewalks is HUGE and, based on my own testing of WalkScore, not at all limited to the &quot;quality of sidewalks&quot; but rather the existence of sidewalks period.  In fact, in several familar addresses that I tested, if someone unfamilar with the area was doing some trip planning in advance and decided to walk based on the site&#039;s feedback, he or she would find him or herself in some fairly unpleasant/borderline unsafe circumstances.  The effect of not taking into consideration the existence of sidewalks is that a virtually unwalkable sprawly strip environment that happens to have a concentration of destinations can score about the same as a extremely walkable traditional, pre-WW2 mixed-use neighborhood.  From that standpoint, the site inadvertantly undermines certain critical elements of walkability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome any site that is promoting and helping to explain walkability so hats off to WalkScore for that.  </p>
<p>That said, the absence of info on sidewalks is HUGE and, based on my own testing of WalkScore, not at all limited to the &#8220;quality of sidewalks&#8221; but rather the existence of sidewalks period.  In fact, in several familar addresses that I tested, if someone unfamilar with the area was doing some trip planning in advance and decided to walk based on the site&#8217;s feedback, he or she would find him or herself in some fairly unpleasant/borderline unsafe circumstances.  The effect of not taking into consideration the existence of sidewalks is that a virtually unwalkable sprawly strip environment that happens to have a concentration of destinations can score about the same as a extremely walkable traditional, pre-WW2 mixed-use neighborhood.  From that standpoint, the site inadvertantly undermines certain critical elements of walkability.</p>
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		<title>By: @alex</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/02/cool-new-thing-whats-your-walk-score/comment-page-1/#comment-35028</link>
		<dc:creator>@alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, this really is a great tool, for all its flaws it is apparently so popular that Google is now blocking requests from it due to the level of traffic.  The web site claims &quot;they are working with Google to resolve this issue&quot; - hope they get it working again so that I can compare the walkability of my former residence in Chelsea with my new digs upstate in downtown Troy (not quite as walkable as one would wish, but better than most places in the Capital District).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this really is a great tool, for all its flaws it is apparently so popular that Google is now blocking requests from it due to the level of traffic.  The web site claims &#8220;they are working with Google to resolve this issue&#8221; &#8211; hope they get it working again so that I can compare the walkability of my former residence in Chelsea with my new digs upstate in downtown Troy (not quite as walkable as one would wish, but better than most places in the Capital District).</p>
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		<title>By: serial catowner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/02/cool-new-thing-whats-your-walk-score/comment-page-1/#comment-35002</link>
		<dc:creator>serial catowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A problem that should be addressed is the &quot;crow&#039;s flight&quot; measurement.  Any bicyclist or pedestrian knows you run into freeways or waterways or bluffs that add a significant zig-zag into the journey.

On the plus side, being able to assess barriers would make this a very interesting tool that would show &quot;natural&quot; neighborhoods bounded by these barriers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A problem that should be addressed is the &#8220;crow&#8217;s flight&#8221; measurement.  Any bicyclist or pedestrian knows you run into freeways or waterways or bluffs that add a significant zig-zag into the journey.</p>
<p>On the plus side, being able to assess barriers would make this a very interesting tool that would show &#8220;natural&#8221; neighborhoods bounded by these barriers.</p>
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		<title>By: serial catowner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/02/cool-new-thing-whats-your-walk-score/comment-page-1/#comment-35001</link>
		<dc:creator>serial catowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it does seem that listing H&amp;R Block as a &quot;school&quot; is a bit of a stretch.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it does seem that listing H&amp;R Block as a &#8220;school&#8221; is a bit of a stretch&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/02/cool-new-thing-whats-your-walk-score/comment-page-1/#comment-34991</link>
		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 16:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Granted shortcomings typical of tools used for human health evaluation and enhancement such as body mass index (BMI) and endurance training based on the maximum heart rate -- or even blood pressure, cholesterol levels, etc. -- this is seems to be a great tool for optimizing neighborhood health and that of local inhabitants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granted shortcomings typical of tools used for human health evaluation and enhancement such as body mass index (BMI) and endurance training based on the maximum heart rate &#8212; or even blood pressure, cholesterol levels, etc. &#8212; this is seems to be a great tool for optimizing neighborhood health and that of local inhabitants.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/02/cool-new-thing-whats-your-walk-score/comment-page-1/#comment-34987</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 13:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apt in NYC scored 100, but what I found most amusing was that under parks, it listed about 7-8 locations.  Omitted from this listing?  Central Park. 

I live half a block from CPW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apt in NYC scored 100, but what I found most amusing was that under parks, it listed about 7-8 locations.  Omitted from this listing?  Central Park. </p>
<p>I live half a block from CPW.</p>
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		<title>By: tom bar</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom bar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 23:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>18 on the West Bank of New Orleans.

Which is about right I guess. If anything it should be lower.  Some of the shopping indicated is no longer there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>18 on the West Bank of New Orleans.</p>
<p>Which is about right I guess. If anything it should be lower.  Some of the shopping indicated is no longer there.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Crandell</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/02/cool-new-thing-whats-your-walk-score/comment-page-1/#comment-34916</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Crandell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron is right that we&#039;re missing a bit of the point with this sight.  I think what makes it great is not that it&#039;s some cool technology to help people find out how walkable a place is, but rather that it&#039;s a very well-written communications tool explaining to the general public in very easy-to-grasp and succinct terms what makes a community walkable.  

I think the best part of the site is the &quot;How it doesn&#039;t work&quot; page and the &quot;Walkable neighborhoods&quot; page.  Those pages pretty much cover all the basics, and I think will help open some people&#039;s eyes to some of the problems in their neighborhoods that they weren&#039;t quite able to put their fingers on.

The actual Walk Score calculator could become a great tool with some more work, but what&#039;s really great about it is that it&#039;s just cool enough to become a meme and get the general public to the site, where they&#039;ll then learn a little about good urban design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron is right that we&#8217;re missing a bit of the point with this sight.  I think what makes it great is not that it&#8217;s some cool technology to help people find out how walkable a place is, but rather that it&#8217;s a very well-written communications tool explaining to the general public in very easy-to-grasp and succinct terms what makes a community walkable.  </p>
<p>I think the best part of the site is the &#8220;How it doesn&#8217;t work&#8221; page and the &#8220;Walkable neighborhoods&#8221; page.  Those pages pretty much cover all the basics, and I think will help open some people&#8217;s eyes to some of the problems in their neighborhoods that they weren&#8217;t quite able to put their fingers on.</p>
<p>The actual Walk Score calculator could become a great tool with some more work, but what&#8217;s really great about it is that it&#8217;s just cool enough to become a meme and get the general public to the site, where they&#8217;ll then learn a little about good urban design.</p>
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		<title>By: Spud Spudly</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/02/cool-new-thing-whats-your-walk-score/comment-page-1/#comment-34909</link>
		<dc:creator>Spud Spudly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Manhattan address got a 97.  I wonder where the three points were lost.

I propose another site for something that would measure &quot;Order-In-ability.&quot; There are at least 100 restaurants that deliver in my neighborhood, not to mention the pharmacies, dry cleaners, hardware stores, grocery stores, etc. that also make free deliveries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Manhattan address got a 97.  I wonder where the three points were lost.</p>
<p>I propose another site for something that would measure &#8220;Order-In-ability.&#8221; There are at least 100 restaurants that deliver in my neighborhood, not to mention the pharmacies, dry cleaners, hardware stores, grocery stores, etc. that also make free deliveries.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lest you New York City dwellers think Upstate is nothing but cows and forests and prisons and SUNY schools, my house in the Monroe Village area of Rochester scored an 89. Despite the flaws in some of the methodology, I&#039;d say this is a decent tool in a broad, general, way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lest you New York City dwellers think Upstate is nothing but cows and forests and prisons and SUNY schools, my house in the Monroe Village area of Rochester scored an 89. Despite the flaws in some of the methodology, I&#8217;d say this is a decent tool in a broad, general, way.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron is right on. The creators of the site clearly acknowledge all the ways that this doesn&#039;t work, and what can&#039;t currently be measured. They&#039;re limited by the business database, and the Google API that only measures crows&#039; distance right now.

What IS encouraging, however, is how this site is tearing up the blogwaves and reddit and the like due to the overwhelming interest in walkability. That sort of interest will be the thing that compels realtors, google, builders or whoever to hopefully sink more money into finding a way to measure access to transit, quality of sidewalks, and etc.

It&#039;s a huge step in the right direction of creating a tool that gives us an idea of how potentially walkable an area might be. But the usefulness as a tool is secondary—to me at least—to the fact that it&#039;s tapping into a market for which there is pent-up demand, hopefully signifying to those who plan and build our environment that there&#039;s a HUGE market for walkable, transit-accessible, bikeable, dense, green, urban, mixed-use cities, towns, and suburbs.

Kudos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron is right on. The creators of the site clearly acknowledge all the ways that this doesn&#8217;t work, and what can&#8217;t currently be measured. They&#8217;re limited by the business database, and the Google API that only measures crows&#8217; distance right now.</p>
<p>What IS encouraging, however, is how this site is tearing up the blogwaves and reddit and the like due to the overwhelming interest in walkability. That sort of interest will be the thing that compels realtors, google, builders or whoever to hopefully sink more money into finding a way to measure access to transit, quality of sidewalks, and etc.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a huge step in the right direction of creating a tool that gives us an idea of how potentially walkable an area might be. But the usefulness as a tool is secondary—to me at least—to the fact that it&#8217;s tapping into a market for which there is pent-up demand, hopefully signifying to those who plan and build our environment that there&#8217;s a HUGE market for walkable, transit-accessible, bikeable, dense, green, urban, mixed-use cities, towns, and suburbs.</p>
<p>Kudos</p>
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		<title>By: Efficiency Nut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Efficiency Nut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 14:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got an 89 in my former hood - E. Harlem
http://www.walkscore.com/get-score.shtml?street=118+e.+116th+St%2C+New+York%2C+ny&amp;go=Go</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got an 89 in my former hood &#8211; E. Harlem<br />
<a href="http://www.walkscore.com/get-score.shtml?street=118+e.+116th+St%2C+New+York%2C+ny&#038;go=Go" rel="nofollow">http://www.walkscore.com/get-score.shtml?street=118+e.+116th+St%2C+New+York%2C+ny&#038;go=Go</a></p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, AD.  Psynick, no model &lt;i&gt;of anything&lt;/i&gt; is perfect.  Nobody disputes that the Google Maps data (which is loosely based on Yellow Pages ads) has numerous innacuracies and is out of date.  The point is that somehow it seems to work within a certain range.  The difference between a score of 89 and a score of 91 may be inaccurate, but the difference between a 30 and a 70 is probably significant.

I don&#039;t know where you live, but in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.walkscore.com/get-score.shtml?street=1791%20grand%20concourse,%2010453&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my old neighborhood in the Bronx&lt;/a&gt;, sure there were crappy places, and I made regular shopping and dining trips to Manhattan on the D train.  But there were some good ones too, and there were enough adequate stores and restaurants with the basic life necessities to make it a worthwhile place to live.

It&#039;s quite possible that if the residents who can afford to own cars chose instead to spend their money at stores and restaurants in the neighborhood, then the demand would allow better stores and restaurants to survive.  But if a significant minority of residents are driving to Fairway, how can a decent grocery store survive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, AD.  Psynick, no model <i>of anything</i> is perfect.  Nobody disputes that the Google Maps data (which is loosely based on Yellow Pages ads) has numerous innacuracies and is out of date.  The point is that somehow it seems to work within a certain range.  The difference between a score of 89 and a score of 91 may be inaccurate, but the difference between a 30 and a 70 is probably significant.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where you live, but in <a href="http://www.walkscore.com/get-score.shtml?street=1791%20grand%20concourse,%2010453" rel="nofollow">my old neighborhood in the Bronx</a>, sure there were crappy places, and I made regular shopping and dining trips to Manhattan on the D train.  But there were some good ones too, and there were enough adequate stores and restaurants with the basic life necessities to make it a worthwhile place to live.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite possible that if the residents who can afford to own cars chose instead to spend their money at stores and restaurants in the neighborhood, then the demand would allow better stores and restaurants to survive.  But if a significant minority of residents are driving to Fairway, how can a decent grocery store survive?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;re getting too caught up in the details. Yes, this has flaws, but I think they are only marginal ones. The most important thing about this site is that to a general audience, it presents in a fun way the following three things.

1) Walking is a good thing in and of itself.
2) The ability to use walking to get to destinations varies greatly depending on one&#039;s built environment.
3) On an individual level, one should strive to live in a walkable envrionment. On a governmental level, authorities should strive to build walkable communities.

Anything that gets this message out is a good thing. This is version 1.0. Future versions will be tweaked, but the underlying concept is praiseworthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re getting too caught up in the details. Yes, this has flaws, but I think they are only marginal ones. The most important thing about this site is that to a general audience, it presents in a fun way the following three things.</p>
<p>1) Walking is a good thing in and of itself.<br />
2) The ability to use walking to get to destinations varies greatly depending on one&#8217;s built environment.<br />
3) On an individual level, one should strive to live in a walkable envrionment. On a governmental level, authorities should strive to build walkable communities.</p>
<p>Anything that gets this message out is a good thing. This is version 1.0. Future versions will be tweaked, but the underlying concept is praiseworthy.</p>
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		<title>By: SamYahm</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/02/cool-new-thing-whats-your-walk-score/comment-page-1/#comment-34877</link>
		<dc:creator>SamYahm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up on Long Island in a cul-de-sac community.  In my 20+ years of living there, I walked only one time to a shop - that was in the ice storm in the 70s, when they did not plow the roads and we could not drive.  That house received a 26 out of 100.  Enough Said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up on Long Island in a cul-de-sac community.  In my 20+ years of living there, I walked only one time to a shop &#8211; that was in the ice storm in the 70s, when they did not plow the roads and we could not drive.  That house received a 26 out of 100.  Enough Said.</p>
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		<title>By: psynick</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/02/cool-new-thing-whats-your-walk-score/comment-page-1/#comment-34873</link>
		<dc:creator>psynick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For New York City, I think there&#039;s a basic problem with this tool.  Just looking at things like the public record of business licenses and C of O&#039;s (which is what this software appears to be doing) would give you the impression that every neighborhood in NYC is overflowing with amenities and therefore rates 90+.

Those who live here know that&#039;s not the case, though.  For instance, the quality of this information source in NY is very dodgy (e.g., it&#039;s often months out of date; many businesses are operating in some capacity that is very different from what appears on the C of O or Consumer Affairs license, etc.).

Second, it says nothing about whether the amenity is actually any good.  I entered my upper Manhattan address, and got a bunch of hits for businesses that don&#039;t exist and/or are so bad or expensive that no one shops there except in desperation.  On paper, my neighborhood is extremely walkable; in reality, a large plurality of residence shop, go out to dinner, and seek entertainment  outside the neighborhood, by car if so equipped, otherwise by mass transit.

I suspect that this tool can be used to compare locations within a certain range of density/configuration.  However, NYC is physically, socially, economically, and demographically so different from the rest of the country that this tool is only marginally applicable.  With some tweaking of the rating scale, and some data cleansing built into the &quot;patent applied for&quot; algorithm, it might work, but I don&#039;t really see how it could be useful here as is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For New York City, I think there&#8217;s a basic problem with this tool.  Just looking at things like the public record of business licenses and C of O&#8217;s (which is what this software appears to be doing) would give you the impression that every neighborhood in NYC is overflowing with amenities and therefore rates 90+.</p>
<p>Those who live here know that&#8217;s not the case, though.  For instance, the quality of this information source in NY is very dodgy (e.g., it&#8217;s often months out of date; many businesses are operating in some capacity that is very different from what appears on the C of O or Consumer Affairs license, etc.).</p>
<p>Second, it says nothing about whether the amenity is actually any good.  I entered my upper Manhattan address, and got a bunch of hits for businesses that don&#8217;t exist and/or are so bad or expensive that no one shops there except in desperation.  On paper, my neighborhood is extremely walkable; in reality, a large plurality of residence shop, go out to dinner, and seek entertainment  outside the neighborhood, by car if so equipped, otherwise by mass transit.</p>
<p>I suspect that this tool can be used to compare locations within a certain range of density/configuration.  However, NYC is physically, socially, economically, and demographically so different from the rest of the country that this tool is only marginally applicable.  With some tweaking of the rating scale, and some data cleansing built into the &#8220;patent applied for&#8221; algorithm, it might work, but I don&#8217;t really see how it could be useful here as is.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/02/cool-new-thing-whats-your-walk-score/comment-page-1/#comment-34870</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to point out that there are still some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.walkscore.com/get-score.shtml?street=100%20main%20street,%20amherst,%20ma&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;small towns&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.walkscore.com/get-score.shtml?street=100%20pondfield%20road,%20bronxville,%20ny&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;suburbs&lt;/a&gt; that are walkable.  Even some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.walkscore.com/get-score.shtml?street=100%20main%20street,%20paterson,%20nj&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;working-class suburbs&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to point out that there are still some <a href="http://www.walkscore.com/get-score.shtml?street=100%20main%20street,%20amherst,%20ma" rel="nofollow">small towns</a> and <a href="http://www.walkscore.com/get-score.shtml?street=100%20pondfield%20road,%20bronxville,%20ny" rel="nofollow">suburbs</a> that are walkable.  Even some <a href="http://www.walkscore.com/get-score.shtml?street=100%20main%20street,%20paterson,%20nj" rel="nofollow">working-class suburbs</a>.</p>
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