Comments on: Some Sort of Congestion Pricing Deal is Done http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Angus Grieve-Smith http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/comment-page-1/#comment-35375 Angus Grieve-Smith Sun, 12 Aug 2007 02:46:44 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/#comment-35375 Steve, "Little Blue PD" has posted almost the exact same message at least twice before. He or she just rants and never pays attention to what anyone else is saying on the blog. "Little Blue PD" thinks the Pershing Square closing show some kind of grand hypocrisy on the part of Bloomberg, but early in its existence <a href="http://www.transalt.org/press/magazine/965SepOct/10-11neighborhoods.html" rel="nofollow">Transportation Alternatives</a> hailed it as a positive, pedestrian-oriented change, the kind that could happen all over with congestion pricing. In any case, I seriously doubt that closing one block "Causes Massive Congestion and Air Pollution!" Steve, “Little Blue PD” has posted almost the exact same message at least twice before. He or she just rants and never pays attention to what anyone else is saying on the blog.

“Little Blue PD” thinks the Pershing Square closing show some kind of grand hypocrisy on the part of Bloomberg, but early in its existence Transportation Alternatives hailed it as a positive, pedestrian-oriented change, the kind that could happen all over with congestion pricing. In any case, I seriously doubt that closing one block “Causes Massive Congestion and Air Pollution!”

]]> By: steve http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/comment-page-1/#comment-35366 steve Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:11:01 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/#comment-35366 Little Blue, perhaps you feel personally impacted by current status of park ave. but that is hardly a basis for a meaningful critique of Bloomberg's transportation policy. I'm glad he takes the subway occasionally, it's impossible to truly know what its like otherwise. We need a new tax to fund infrastructure for more pedestrians, bicyclists, mass transit users. Infrastructure should be paid for by those getting subsidized under the current regime--motorists. Less cars = less congestion. Little Blue, perhaps you feel personally impacted by current status of park ave. but that is hardly a basis for a meaningful critique of Bloomberg’s transportation policy. I’m glad he takes the subway occasionally, it’s impossible to truly know what its like otherwise. We need a new tax to fund infrastructure for more pedestrians, bicyclists, mass transit users. Infrastructure should be paid for by those getting subsidized under the current regime–motorists. Less cars = less congestion.

]]> By: Little Blue PD http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/comment-page-1/#comment-35360 Little Blue PD Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:19:17 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/#comment-35360 He has no traffic plan, it’s just a scam to raise money. Will Mayor Bloomberg do anything about Park Ave. being blocked off at 42nd street? If he cares he will. I think Mayor Nanny Bloomie is a very arrogant man. I also highly doubt he rides the subway that much. He’s the mayor, I want someone driving him around so he can work and make calls and stuff. New Yorkers shouldn’t want him wasting all that time on the subway. We all have to wonder what Bloomberg is really thinking of with this congestion pricing tax scheme. Maybe he mostly just wants a new tax. Just wrap it up in ‘concern for the environment’, and then people can just demonize those who oppose it. If he cares so much about traffic jams, congestion and air pollution, why does he let Park Avenue be blocked off? Why doesn’t he do anything about that? It’s true, Pershing Square Restaurant blocks Park Avenue going South at 42nd St. for about 12 hours a day/5 months of the year! This Causes Massive Congestion and Air Pollution! But apparently it does not bother NYC’s Nanny-in-Chief Mike “Congestion Pricing Tax” Bloomberg? It certainly supports his claim that the city is hugely congested. Check out the map! Tell your friends! http://whataplanet.blogspot.com http://preview.tinyurl.com/38obfd Check it out! Thanks! :) He has no traffic plan, it’s just a scam to raise money. Will Mayor Bloomberg do anything about Park Ave. being blocked off at 42nd street? If he cares he will.

I think Mayor Nanny Bloomie is a very arrogant man. I also highly doubt he rides the subway that much. He’s the mayor, I want someone driving him around so he can work and make calls and stuff. New Yorkers shouldn’t want him wasting all that time on the subway.

We all have to wonder what Bloomberg is really thinking of with this congestion pricing tax scheme. Maybe he mostly just wants a new tax. Just wrap it up in ‘concern for the environment’, and then people can just demonize those who oppose it.

If he cares so much about traffic jams, congestion and air pollution, why does he let Park Avenue be blocked off? Why doesn’t he do anything about that?

It’s true, Pershing Square Restaurant blocks Park Avenue going South at 42nd St. for about 12 hours a day/5 months of the year! This Causes Massive Congestion and Air Pollution!

But apparently it does not bother NYC’s Nanny-in-Chief Mike “Congestion Pricing Tax” Bloomberg?

It certainly supports his claim that the city is hugely congested.

Check out the map! Tell your friends!

http://whataplanet.blogspot.com
http://preview.tinyurl.com/38obfd

Check it out!

Thanks!

:)

]]> By: JK http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/comment-page-1/#comment-34232 JK Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:39:56 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/#comment-34232 Perfect headline Aaron ("some sort of deal") We do really have to see the bill language to know what's really here. Much politicing remains to happen before pricing happens. I'd like to see the legislature put in a Stockholm style referendum to extend it after the pilot period expires. This takes a little pressure off the legislature and makes the idea of the pilot more credible --- plus once New Yorkers get pricing, they are not going to want to leave it. Perfect headline Aaron (“some sort of deal”)
We do really have to see the bill language to know what’s really here. Much politicing remains to happen before pricing happens. I’d like to see the legislature put in a Stockholm style referendum to extend it after the pilot period expires. This takes a little pressure off the legislature and makes the idea of the pilot more credible — plus once New Yorkers get pricing, they are not going to want to leave it.

]]> By: No green light http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/comment-page-1/#comment-34230 No green light Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:34:15 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/#comment-34230 This will be really great after the city council passes home rule legislation asking for pricing and then the assembly and senate vote to approve it. Seems like what we got out of this was a requirement for a city council home rule vote and a postponement of state action. Lots of time for the wheels to fall off this wagon. This is Shelly squirming out of taking the rap for losing the federal money. This will be really great after the city council passes home rule legislation asking for pricing and then the assembly and senate vote to approve it. Seems like what we got out of this was a requirement for a city council home rule vote and a postponement of state action. Lots of time for the wheels to fall off this wagon. This is Shelly squirming out of taking the rap for losing the federal money.

]]> By: rhubarbpie http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/comment-page-1/#comment-34229 rhubarbpie Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:28:36 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/#comment-34229 This is great news -- real progress on the congestion pricing front with the possibility of dealing with some of the thorny questions surrounding it. Congratulations to all who fought so hard for this! This is great news — real progress on the congestion pricing front with the possibility of dealing with some of the thorny questions surrounding it. Congratulations to all who fought so hard for this!

]]> By: KRS2 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/comment-page-1/#comment-34226 KRS2 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:04:51 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/#comment-34226 This commission should be a friggin revelation.The gov says the city has the green light for the plan, except for the tolls part. H'mm, yeah, but the tolls part is the crux of the plan. They get credit for being politically clever though because the legislation approving pricing could have the legislature simply voting to approve the commission recommendation and at least provide a political fig leaf. This commission should be a friggin revelation.The gov says the city has the green light for the plan, except for the tolls part. H’mm, yeah, but the tolls part is the crux of the plan. They get credit for being politically clever though because the legislation approving pricing could have the legislature simply voting to approve the commission recommendation and at least provide a political fig leaf.

]]> By: momos http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/comment-page-1/#comment-34225 momos Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:04:01 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/#comment-34225 Advocates should take a lesson from the fight so far: it's essential to target individual law makers one by one. Between now and March, advocates should push community boards in every uncertain city council district to endorse congestion pricing. This means a GRASSROOTS campaign to build public support. It's been abundantly clear so far that most New Yorkers don't understand the benefits of congestion pricing. Advocates should take a lesson from the fight so far: it’s essential to target individual law makers one by one.

Between now and March, advocates should push community boards in every uncertain city council district to endorse congestion pricing. This means a GRASSROOTS campaign to build public support. It’s been abundantly clear so far that most New Yorkers don’t understand the benefits of congestion pricing.

]]> By: lee http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/comment-page-1/#comment-34224 lee Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:02:59 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/#comment-34224 the composition of the commission seems to be the key. who decides who goes on it? will sadik-kahn have give lou fiedler some traffic engineering classes? the composition of the commission seems to be the key. who decides who goes on it? will sadik-kahn have give lou fiedler some traffic engineering classes?

]]> By: Miles to go http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/comment-page-1/#comment-34222 Miles to go Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:56:31 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/#comment-34222 The advocates better get some rest where they can. This is like hearing that your 10 round fight is getting an extra 8 rounds added to it. Will the feds really give NY the money based on a letter that essentially says: "Hi we can't agree on pricing now, but after we get your money, we will change our minds and vote for it." It seems incredibly sketchy, but then again, so is a lot of politics. The advocates better get some rest where they can. This is like hearing that your 10 round fight is getting an extra 8 rounds added to it.

Will the feds really give NY the money based on a letter that essentially says: “Hi we can’t agree on pricing now, but after we get your money, we will change our minds and vote for it.” It seems incredibly sketchy, but then again, so is a lot of politics.

]]> By: lee http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/comment-page-1/#comment-34221 lee Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:56:09 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/19/some-sort-of-deal-has-been-done/#comment-34221 w00t w00t

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