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	<title>Comments on: NYC&#8217;s Greenest Building Cracks Down on Bikes (Updated)</title>
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		<title>By: ex solaire</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34289</link>
		<dc:creator>ex solaire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the article was indeed about bikes in the hallway and the irony of a green building clamping down (pun intended) on bikers. That irony was too much of a juicy target or streetsblog to resist.

The point did then move onto providing bike rack space for all mankind and I agree, more space is needed. 

I included families in my post (did you not read my reference to our double SUV stroller?) and we all have bikes. One was stored in the bike room and the rest inside the apartment. 

Try to be a little less emotional and you&#039;ll be able to read and see the points being made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the article was indeed about bikes in the hallway and the irony of a green building clamping down (pun intended) on bikers. That irony was too much of a juicy target or streetsblog to resist.</p>
<p>The point did then move onto providing bike rack space for all mankind and I agree, more space is needed. </p>
<p>I included families in my post (did you not read my reference to our double SUV stroller?) and we all have bikes. One was stored in the bike room and the rest inside the apartment. </p>
<p>Try to be a little less emotional and you'll be able to read and see the points being made.</p>
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		<title>By: Bike Family</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34271</link>
		<dc:creator>Bike Family</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cars have the right to park on the streets overnight - even for free. Why is it so preposterous to imagine that bicycles could also be allowed to be stored on the street?  It may be easy for the bikers in this thread to carry their bikes to their apartments and hang them on books. But you want the rest of us to switch to biking too, don&#039;t you?  You may consider floor plan spacious for one person -- but we include families and apartment-shares with 5 bikes!

Forget the crap about bikes in the hallway. That&#039;s not what this is about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cars have the right to park on the streets overnight - even for free. Why is it so preposterous to imagine that bicycles could also be allowed to be stored on the street?  It may be easy for the bikers in this thread to carry their bikes to their apartments and hang them on books. But you want the rest of us to switch to biking too, don't you?  You may consider floor plan spacious for one person -- but we include families and apartment-shares with 5 bikes!</p>
<p>Forget the crap about bikes in the hallway. That's not what this is about.</p>
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		<title>By: A failed constituent</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34246</link>
		<dc:creator>A failed constituent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks #23 for explaining the situation.

Some cyclists think they can park anywhere - including public space - and that it is all right.   It is not!  Rather than check out the facts they just rant and rave how unfair the world is to cyclists.

I have a hook that I hang my bike from in my apartment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks #23 for explaining the situation.</p>
<p>Some cyclists think they can park anywhere - including public space - and that it is all right.   It is not!  Rather than check out the facts they just rant and rave how unfair the world is to cyclists.</p>
<p>I have a hook that I hang my bike from in my apartment.</p>
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		<title>By: dfsavgny</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34202</link>
		<dc:creator>dfsavgny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Certificate of Occupancy permits 41 parking spaces in the garage. It also indicates that there is a bike storage room. The special Battery Park zoning district limits parking spaces to 20% of the units in a building.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Certificate of Occupancy permits 41 parking spaces in the garage. It also indicates that there is a bike storage room. The special Battery Park zoning district limits parking spaces to 20% of the units in a building.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex T.</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34197</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They charge $10. per month per bike.

It is dangerous to store bikes in halls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They charge $10. per month per bike.</p>
<p>It is dangerous to store bikes in halls.</p>
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		<title>By: ex solaire</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34184</link>
		<dc:creator>ex solaire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you&#039;re talking about something else. The creation of bike racks for public use.

But to get back to the point of the article (the letter banning bikes from hallways) since when has storing your bike in your own apartment when you are at home not been an option? Plenty of ppl do it. It just so happens that renters at the Solaire not only had ample space to do that but they had two huge bike storage rooms also. 

Sounds like you would be happier if the residents kept their bikes in their apts and the bike rooms were made open to the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you're talking about something else. The creation of bike racks for public use.</p>
<p>But to get back to the point of the article (the letter banning bikes from hallways) since when has storing your bike in your own apartment when you are at home not been an option? Plenty of ppl do it. It just so happens that renters at the Solaire not only had ample space to do that but they had two huge bike storage rooms also. </p>
<p>Sounds like you would be happier if the residents kept their bikes in their apts and the bike rooms were made open to the public.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary Kitasei</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34183</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilary Kitasei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we all agree that the Solaire probably accommodates bicycles better than any other building in the city ---- and yet it is far from enough. There has to be mass development of public parking capacity.  The Solaire and its neighbors have led the way in providing public restrooms. Maybe it will figure out a solution for this other civic need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we all agree that the Solaire probably accommodates bicycles better than any other building in the city ---- and yet it is far from enough. There has to be mass development of public parking capacity.  The Solaire and its neighbors have led the way in providing public restrooms. Maybe it will figure out a solution for this other civic need.</p>
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		<title>By: ex solaire</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34180</link>
		<dc:creator>ex solaire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived in the solaire and had a bike rack space. This article is extremely misleading. There were indeed 2 bike rooms and they were large. Much larger than any I have seen in any other nyc apt building including my current building.

Apartments in the Soliare are large (so there is room to store your bike), with tons of closets, there are lots of bike racks but there are lots of families with kids. I remember a lot of spaces taken up with kids bikes. 

Look at the flooplan of where I lived
http://www.thesolaire.com/floorplans/two_bedroom.asp?plan=two_3-18n

You don&#039;t get that many closets in new condos. That foyer was large enough to store a double SUV stroller without folding it. 

There are far more deserving targets but I guess it wouldn&#039;t make such a good story would it? A green building that doesn&#039;t like bikes?
No, a green building with tons of bike racks but with a need to prevent fire code violations by keeping the hallways clear.

If you really want a good story then try and find out why the supposedly double filtered air that came into our apts always stunk of cigarette smoke. Other ppls&#039; smoke from inside their apartments? Workers smoking near inlet vents? Who knows but that would be a good story don&#039;t you think? The air quality was really that bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in the solaire and had a bike rack space. This article is extremely misleading. There were indeed 2 bike rooms and they were large. Much larger than any I have seen in any other nyc apt building including my current building.</p>
<p>Apartments in the Soliare are large (so there is room to store your bike), with tons of closets, there are lots of bike racks but there are lots of families with kids. I remember a lot of spaces taken up with kids bikes. </p>
<p>Look at the flooplan of where I lived<br />
<a href="http://www.thesolaire.com/floorplans/two_bedroom.asp?plan=two_3-18n" rel="nofollow">http://www.thesolaire.com/floorplans/two_bedroom.asp?plan=two_3-18n</a></p>
<p>You don't get that many closets in new condos. That foyer was large enough to store a double SUV stroller without folding it. </p>
<p>There are far more deserving targets but I guess it wouldn't make such a good story would it? A green building that doesn't like bikes?<br />
No, a green building with tons of bike racks but with a need to prevent fire code violations by keeping the hallways clear.</p>
<p>If you really want a good story then try and find out why the supposedly double filtered air that came into our apts always stunk of cigarette smoke. Other ppls' smoke from inside their apartments? Workers smoking near inlet vents? Who knows but that would be a good story don't you think? The air quality was really that bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34179</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are pics of both bike rooms at the Solaire.

http://www.habitatmag.com/solaire/bikeroom1.jpg
http://www.habitatmag.com/solaire/bikeroom2.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are pics of both bike rooms at the Solaire.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.habitatmag.com/solaire/bikeroom1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.habitatmag.com/solaire/bikeroom1.jpg</a><br />
<a href="http://www.habitatmag.com/solaire/bikeroom2.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.habitatmag.com/solaire/bikeroom2.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34176</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, maybe the reason they don&#039;t convert car parking to bike parking is that car parking can sell for $225,000 in NYC.

http://carfreeusa.blogspot.com/2007/07/automentia-225000-parking-space.html

Car parking is obviously more profitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, maybe the reason they don't convert car parking to bike parking is that car parking can sell for $225,000 in NYC.</p>
<p><a href="http://carfreeusa.blogspot.com/2007/07/automentia-225000-parking-space.html" rel="nofollow">http://carfreeusa.blogspot.com/2007/07/automentia-225000-parking-space.html</a></p>
<p>Car parking is obviously more profitable.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34175</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Management should just convert a few car spaces into bike racks. 

The average car parking spot can hold at least a dozen bikes if designed well.

Here is what they did in Portland.
http://bikeportland.org/2007/02/28/belmont-goes-for-on-street-bike-parking/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Management should just convert a few car spaces into bike racks. </p>
<p>The average car parking spot can hold at least a dozen bikes if designed well.</p>
<p>Here is what they did in Portland.<br />
<a href="http://bikeportland.org/2007/02/28/belmont-goes-for-on-street-bike-parking/" rel="nofollow">http://bikeportland.org/2007/02/28/belmont-goes-for-on-street-bike-parking/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34173</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, &lt;i&gt;of course&lt;/i&gt; it&#039;s obnoxious, illegal and a fire hazard to store bikes in the hallways.  We really need to bend over backwards to say that?

The point is that when these things come up, the management office should work to get additional storage space in addition to chastising the tenants.  Not because cyclists are always and automatically better people, but because supporting cycling is good for the environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, <i>of course</i> it's obnoxious, illegal and a fire hazard to store bikes in the hallways.  We really need to bend over backwards to say that?</p>
<p>The point is that when these things come up, the management office should work to get additional storage space in addition to chastising the tenants.  Not because cyclists are always and automatically better people, but because supporting cycling is good for the environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary Kitasei</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34171</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilary Kitasei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are about 250 units in the building.  Is there anyone who would NOT want to have a bike living here?  And one for every member of the household?

The solution could be to have building bikes to share. There are plans to have a zip car.

The other solution would be to create legal outside storage for the hundreds of bikes that would represent the tip of unmet demand in this one building alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are about 250 units in the building.  Is there anyone who would NOT want to have a bike living here?  And one for every member of the household?</p>
<p>The solution could be to have building bikes to share. There are plans to have a zip car.</p>
<p>The other solution would be to create legal outside storage for the hundreds of bikes that would represent the tip of unmet demand in this one building alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Wish I Lived In BPC</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34170</link>
		<dc:creator>Wish I Lived In BPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for a firm that did some work on Solaire.  In looking through the plans and documents we have on file, I have discovered there are 50 on-site parking spaces in the Solaire garage.

That said, in a tour of Solaire, I was told by the building manager that demand for bike storage was far underestimated, and this was taken into account in the construction of other BPC buildings built afterword.  I guess when you build an apartment building at the end of probably the most-used bike path in America, you get a lot of people who want to store their bikes...

So do I get a tee-shirt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for a firm that did some work on Solaire.  In looking through the plans and documents we have on file, I have discovered there are 50 on-site parking spaces in the Solaire garage.</p>
<p>That said, in a tour of Solaire, I was told by the building manager that demand for bike storage was far underestimated, and this was taken into account in the construction of other BPC buildings built afterword.  I guess when you build an apartment building at the end of probably the most-used bike path in America, you get a lot of people who want to store their bikes...</p>
<p>So do I get a tee-shirt?</p>
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		<title>By: Murray Hillster</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34169</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray Hillster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also in agreement with Dave@1:50.

Even if they &lt;i&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; have space for bikes, people shouldn&#039;t be leaving bikes in the hallway. You don&#039;t fight the alleged hypocrisy of a green building, which has car parking, by effectively blocking hallways with your bike.

I say this as an avid bike rider in NYC who has always had to figure out ways to store my bike in my various apartments. (hook on the wall being the current winner).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm also in agreement with Dave@1:50.</p>
<p>Even if they <i>didn't</i> have space for bikes, people shouldn't be leaving bikes in the hallway. You don't fight the alleged hypocrisy of a green building, which has car parking, by effectively blocking hallways with your bike.</p>
<p>I say this as an avid bike rider in NYC who has always had to figure out ways to store my bike in my various apartments. (hook on the wall being the current winner).</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34167</link>
		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with Dave 1:50</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34165</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re conflating two different points. Should there be more bike storage? Yes. Obviously the developers underestimated how much demand there would be for bike storage. It would be great if parking garage operators took some car parking spaces and turned them into bike parking, but since the parking garage is managed by a seperate entity from the building, there is little they could do about it.

But the point of the letter from building management is very valid. If you don&#039;t have space in your apartment to keep your bike, you need to find some place LEGAL to do so. Storing bikes in public hallways is selfish and a fire hazard.  I know that this is a pro-bike website and community, but we have to recognize when bikers are doing something wrong - and this is one of those instances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You're conflating two different points. Should there be more bike storage? Yes. Obviously the developers underestimated how much demand there would be for bike storage. It would be great if parking garage operators took some car parking spaces and turned them into bike parking, but since the parking garage is managed by a seperate entity from the building, there is little they could do about it.</p>
<p>But the point of the letter from building management is very valid. If you don't have space in your apartment to keep your bike, you need to find some place LEGAL to do so. Storing bikes in public hallways is selfish and a fire hazard.  I know that this is a pro-bike website and community, but we have to recognize when bikers are doing something wrong - and this is one of those instances.</p>
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		<title>By: city planning dude</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34164</link>
		<dc:creator>city planning dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if the bike room is packed then they need more space. does anybody know how many car spaces versus bike spaces are available? or how many square feet in the bike room?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if the bike room is packed then they need more space. does anybody know how many car spaces versus bike spaces are available? or how many square feet in the bike room?</p>
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		<title>By: mikes</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34163</link>
		<dc:creator>mikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try folding bikes, much more convenient to store. I take mine everywhere - frame is solid like a full size bike, handles a little differently due to smaller wheels. Much easier to take up stairs, fold and carry one-handed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try folding bikes, much more convenient to store. I take mine everywhere - frame is solid like a full size bike, handles a little differently due to smaller wheels. Much easier to take up stairs, fold and carry one-handed.</p>
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		<title>By: Spud Spudly</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/18/nycs-greenest-building-has-no-room-for-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-34142</link>
		<dc:creator>Spud Spudly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vegas has the over/under at 85.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vegas has the over/under at 85.</p>
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