Comments on: The Introduction of a New Order of Things http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/17/the-introduction-of-a-new-order-of-things/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:32:54 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: JF http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/17/the-introduction-of-a-new-order-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-34072 JF Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:44:04 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/17/the-introduction-of-a-new-order-of-things/#comment-34072 Bulldog, think of it as making the drivers pay for their fair share of the bridge and road maintenance. Carpoolers shouldn't be against congestion pricing, since if you split it even two ways it's no more than a round-trip subway fare. Bulldog, think of it as making the drivers pay for their fair share of the bridge and road maintenance. Carpoolers shouldn't be against congestion pricing, since if you split it even two ways it's no more than a round-trip subway fare.

]]> By: TrafficBulldog http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/17/the-introduction-of-a-new-order-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-34063 TrafficBulldog Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:58:44 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/17/the-introduction-of-a-new-order-of-things/#comment-34063 Does anyone else see that this is just a new tax? I just think the timing of congestion pricing is interesting. At a time when gas prices are high, and global warming is such a concern - that people are looking into carpooling more. The government gets 20% of sales tax revenue from new vehicles; gasoline and registration fees are extra. If people carpool, then there would be less use of vehicle and thus less sales of new vehicles and gasoline. So, the politicians need to move their addiction to sales taxes of new vehicles and gasoline to a new revenue stream. And here it is. The government double speak of "congestion pricing". Look for a new tax on carpooling in the coming years. They want us to have cars for the taxes and fees....but just to not use them in certain areas or at certain times of day. Hey I got an idea, why don't the politicians talk about carpooling honestly and it's role in solving traffic, energy, and air pollution issues. And maybe while they are at it, they could get to work removing government waste so that we don't have to be so addicted to oil. Cause if you notice, the carpool concept is being killed so that they can convert lanes to toll roads just like they have done in California and Florida. All in the name of congestion relief. http://trafficbulldog.org is a carpool advocacy group committed to helping people form carpools. Carpools take pressure off of the gasoline pricess.... and get a little less money to terrorists. Does anyone else see that this is just a new tax?

I just think the timing of congestion pricing is interesting. At a time when gas prices are high, and global warming is such a concern - that people are looking into carpooling more. The government gets 20% of sales tax revenue from new vehicles; gasoline and registration fees are extra.

If people carpool, then there would be less use of vehicle and thus less sales of new vehicles and gasoline. So, the politicians need to move their addiction to sales taxes of new vehicles and gasoline to a new revenue stream.

And here it is. The government double speak of "congestion pricing".

Look for a new tax on carpooling in the coming years.

They want us to have cars for the taxes and fees....but just to not use them in certain areas or at certain times of day.

Hey I got an idea, why don't the politicians talk about carpooling honestly and it's role in solving traffic, energy, and air pollution issues. And maybe while they are at it, they could get to work removing government waste so that we don't have to be so addicted to oil.

Cause if you notice, the carpool concept is being killed so that they can convert lanes to toll roads just like they have done in California and Florida. All in the name of congestion relief.

http://trafficbulldog.org is a carpool advocacy group committed to helping people form carpools. Carpools take pressure off of the gasoline pricess.... and get a little less money to terrorists.

]]> By: socialscientist http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/17/the-introduction-of-a-new-order-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-34049 socialscientist Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:16:58 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/17/the-introduction-of-a-new-order-of-things/#comment-34049 I agree, Glenn. Komanoff is choosing words carefully. No need to quote Machiavelli. The carbon profiteers have our species in a death grip. This is a life and death power struggle. Auto ownership is growing 5% worldwide annually. China builds a new coal-fired electric plant every week. I agree, Glenn.
Komanoff is choosing words carefully. No need to quote Machiavelli. The carbon profiteers have our species in a death grip. This is a life and death power struggle. Auto ownership is growing 5% worldwide annually. China builds a new coal-fired electric plant every week.

]]> By: fred http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/17/the-introduction-of-a-new-order-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-34039 fred Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:08:27 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/17/the-introduction-of-a-new-order-of-things/#comment-34039 > "There is nothing more difficult to take in > hand," Machiavelli observed in The Prince, > "than to take the lead in the introduction of > a new order of things ... the innovator has > for enemies all those who have done well > under the old conditions, and lukewarm > defenders in those who may do well under the > old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in > those who may do well under the new." Didn't the White House use this same argument against those who opposed invading Iraq? > "There is nothing more difficult to take in
> hand," Machiavelli observed in The Prince,
> "than to take the lead in the introduction of
> a new order of things ... the innovator has
> for enemies all those who have done well
> under the old conditions, and lukewarm
> defenders in those who may do well under the
> old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in
> those who may do well under the new."

Didn't the White House use this same argument against those who opposed invading Iraq?

]]> By: Glenn http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/17/the-introduction-of-a-new-order-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-34013 Glenn Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:55:47 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/17/the-introduction-of-a-new-order-of-things/#comment-34013 Despite not getting this approved on his timeframe, the Mayor and all of the CP supporters should be proud. The line of debate has moved considerably just within the last 3 months. We need to keep the momentum up over the Summer and we need to have a string of successes on areas the Mayor can just implement without the state. Despite not getting this approved on his timeframe, the Mayor and all of the CP supporters should be proud. The line of debate has moved considerably just within the last 3 months. We need to keep the momentum up over the Summer and we need to have a string of successes on areas the Mayor can just implement without the state.

]]>