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		<title>By: jrivero</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/12/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-33956</link>
		<dc:creator>jrivero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhubarbpie, an analysis of where and why the opposition developed may be too much to ask.  If you consider the distribution of the costs and benefits of CP, the opposition of most assembly members, Silver included, makes no sense.  So if their behavior was not determined by the best interest of their constituents, then figuring out their political motivation would be just a whole bunch of speculation.

I agree with you that the Mayor rolled out his plan too late.  But the initiative did have big dollars behind it.  It also enjoyed support from a wide range of groups-- from business to unions to good gov organizations.  And then on top of that, there was a $500 million incentive to get it done.  If it could not be passed by Albany now, it will never be passed.  The best that we can hope for is that the City somehow manages to secede.  Until then, I guess we&#039;ll just have to make do with whatever complementary measures we do have control over.  We can still charge market prices for parking.  We can still make driving more expensive  by reducing the supply of roadways available to cars-- by devoting physically separated lanes to buses; by pedestrianizing major commercial corridors.   But I suspect that it will also be a challenge to get approval for any of those.  Unlike congestion pricing, the perceived negative effects of more local measures appear to be concentrated on particular neighborhoods.  So i can just hear it now, &quot;traffic will be a nightmare!&quot; &quot;businesses will suffer&quot; and so on and so forth.  

So I guess I just don&#039;t feel as optimistic as i did a couple of weeks ago about the likelihood of making progress.  New York will continue ignoring better practices around the world, convinced that it is charting the path of urban sophistication and progressiveness, while its peer cities marvel at its parochialism and backwardness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhubarbpie, an analysis of where and why the opposition developed may be too much to ask.  If you consider the distribution of the costs and benefits of CP, the opposition of most assembly members, Silver included, makes no sense.  So if their behavior was not determined by the best interest of their constituents, then figuring out their political motivation would be just a whole bunch of speculation.</p>
<p>I agree with you that the Mayor rolled out his plan too late.  But the initiative did have big dollars behind it.  It also enjoyed support from a wide range of groups&#8211; from business to unions to good gov organizations.  And then on top of that, there was a $500 million incentive to get it done.  If it could not be passed by Albany now, it will never be passed.  The best that we can hope for is that the City somehow manages to secede.  Until then, I guess we&#8217;ll just have to make do with whatever complementary measures we do have control over.  We can still charge market prices for parking.  We can still make driving more expensive  by reducing the supply of roadways available to cars&#8211; by devoting physically separated lanes to buses; by pedestrianizing major commercial corridors.   But I suspect that it will also be a challenge to get approval for any of those.  Unlike congestion pricing, the perceived negative effects of more local measures appear to be concentrated on particular neighborhoods.  So i can just hear it now, &#8220;traffic will be a nightmare!&#8221; &#8220;businesses will suffer&#8221; and so on and so forth.  </p>
<p>So I guess I just don&#8217;t feel as optimistic as i did a couple of weeks ago about the likelihood of making progress.  New York will continue ignoring better practices around the world, convinced that it is charting the path of urban sophistication and progressiveness, while its peer cities marvel at its parochialism and backwardness.</p>
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		<title>By: Constituent</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/12/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-33924</link>
		<dc:creator>Constituent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I phoned my representative Joe Lentol and, after voicing my support for the mayor&#039;s plan, his staffer admitted me that he is just following the the Speaker&#039;s lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I phoned my representative Joe Lentol and, after voicing my support for the mayor&#8217;s plan, his staffer admitted me that he is just following the the Speaker&#8217;s lead.</p>
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		<title>By: JF</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/12/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-33923</link>
		<dc:creator>JF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JRivero wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s better to think that CP was defeated by widespread opposition in the Assembly rather than by the whim and political calculations just a single reprehensible individual.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That may be some consolation ... unless your Assemblymember happens to be part of the widespread opposition, despite the fact that there&#039;s significant support for congestion pricing in the district.

If it were the purest form of democracy in Albany, the assembly would be full of transit users instead of drivers.  Is it just impossible that an assemblymember from a NYC district could ever &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; be a long-term car owner with a permanent windshield perspective?  Grrr...</description>
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<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s better to think that CP was defeated by widespread opposition in the Assembly rather than by the whim and political calculations just a single reprehensible individual.</p></blockquote>
<p>That may be some consolation &#8230; unless your Assemblymember happens to be part of the widespread opposition, despite the fact that there&#8217;s significant support for congestion pricing in the district.</p>
<p>If it were the purest form of democracy in Albany, the assembly would be full of transit users instead of drivers.  Is it just impossible that an assemblymember from a NYC district could ever <i>not</i> be a long-term car owner with a permanent windshield perspective?  Grrr&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rhubarbpie</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/12/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-33921</link>
		<dc:creator>rhubarbpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been a frustrating several weeks, no doubt, jrivero. It is particularly frustrating that Silver did not pick up the charge -- I agree. But this was a battle lost all around the city and suburbs, in district after district, not just in the speaker&#039;s office.

I also admit that I have tended to focus on the missteps of the mayor -- from before the poorly played roll-out to an arrogant negotiating team to his dismissive comments about subway crowding -- rather than the easy-to-pick-apart arguments of the congestion-pricing opponents. This is a classic case of a mayor who appears to be politically naive, even after more than six years in the job, about the ways of the state capital (and capitol). In this case, unlike others, he couldn&#039;t (or wouldn&#039;t) buy off people.   

Unless there is a bizarre and unexpected development in the next couple of days, my question -- which I guess we can take up after Monday, is what to do next. I know that blasting the speaker or assembly is inevitable. Instead, though, I&#039;d like to talk through a real analysis of where the opposition developed and why. 

I also don&#039;t know if there is ever a chance for congestion pricing, given how this has played out. But, if there is any hope, that analysis is going to be very important as we move forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been a frustrating several weeks, no doubt, jrivero. It is particularly frustrating that Silver did not pick up the charge &#8212; I agree. But this was a battle lost all around the city and suburbs, in district after district, not just in the speaker&#8217;s office.</p>
<p>I also admit that I have tended to focus on the missteps of the mayor &#8212; from before the poorly played roll-out to an arrogant negotiating team to his dismissive comments about subway crowding &#8212; rather than the easy-to-pick-apart arguments of the congestion-pricing opponents. This is a classic case of a mayor who appears to be politically naive, even after more than six years in the job, about the ways of the state capital (and capitol). In this case, unlike others, he couldn&#8217;t (or wouldn&#8217;t) buy off people.   </p>
<p>Unless there is a bizarre and unexpected development in the next couple of days, my question &#8212; which I guess we can take up after Monday, is what to do next. I know that blasting the speaker or assembly is inevitable. Instead, though, I&#8217;d like to talk through a real analysis of where the opposition developed and why. </p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t know if there is ever a chance for congestion pricing, given how this has played out. But, if there is any hope, that analysis is going to be very important as we move forward.</p>
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		<title>By: jrivero</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/12/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-33917</link>
		<dc:creator>jrivero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well rhubarbpie, your observations have ironically been a strange sort of consolation for me during these dark times.  It&#039;s better to think that CP was defeated by widespread opposition in the Assembly rather than by the whim and political calculations just a single reprehensible individual.  Still, if Silver ever does lead the way (as he did when they repealed the commuter tax), it is unforgivable that he did not pick this as an opportunity to do so.  And I say that not just because of the obvious benefits to his district, but because the central objections of the opposition, at least as were made public, were either disingenuous or misinformed.  And if opponents were just representing the concerns of their constituents, then they are all the more to blame for choosing to parrot (and pander to) ignorance rather than lead based on the facts. The costs of CP are simply distributed among too few to explain the extent of opposition that you suggest.  So if that many remained opposed, all that says is that that many chose not to do their homework or their job as members of the Assembly.

What makes all this even less excusable is that we&#039;re talking about a pilot program.  So even if you had serious reservations about CP, you&#039;d have to be a real cynical and arrogant son of a bitch to think that nothing useful would come out of a trial program, even if in the form of an empirical validation of your concerns.

This is all very disheartening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well rhubarbpie, your observations have ironically been a strange sort of consolation for me during these dark times.  It&#8217;s better to think that CP was defeated by widespread opposition in the Assembly rather than by the whim and political calculations just a single reprehensible individual.  Still, if Silver ever does lead the way (as he did when they repealed the commuter tax), it is unforgivable that he did not pick this as an opportunity to do so.  And I say that not just because of the obvious benefits to his district, but because the central objections of the opposition, at least as were made public, were either disingenuous or misinformed.  And if opponents were just representing the concerns of their constituents, then they are all the more to blame for choosing to parrot (and pander to) ignorance rather than lead based on the facts. The costs of CP are simply distributed among too few to explain the extent of opposition that you suggest.  So if that many remained opposed, all that says is that that many chose not to do their homework or their job as members of the Assembly.</p>
<p>What makes all this even less excusable is that we&#8217;re talking about a pilot program.  So even if you had serious reservations about CP, you&#8217;d have to be a real cynical and arrogant son of a bitch to think that nothing useful would come out of a trial program, even if in the form of an empirical validation of your concerns.</p>
<p>This is all very disheartening.</p>
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		<title>By: drose</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/12/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-33900</link>
		<dc:creator>drose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since MTA fare hikes need no votes from the Assembly, we can now be sure that is one measure that will certainly pass after Monday&#039;s spectacle downtown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since MTA fare hikes need no votes from the Assembly, we can now be sure that is one measure that will certainly pass after Monday&#8217;s spectacle downtown.</p>
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		<title>By: rhubarbpie</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/12/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-33896</link>
		<dc:creator>rhubarbpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, vito, my analysis is based on reports I&#039;ve gotten from Albany lobbyists about how things have played out on the congestion pricing front. And a great deal of my own experience in dealing with Albany and City Hall. I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve got the wrong take on this one: survey assembly members from the city yourself and see what they think of the mayor&#039;s proposal. 

Do they take their lead from Silver? Often, but not always. Does Silver take his lead from them? A great deal of the time. That is one way he stays speaker. 

There&#039;s no doubt that Albany is broken, but if it were the purest form of democracy up there (in other words, if members were truly able to push bills, etc.), congestion pricing would still fail to garner enough votes -- and it wouldn&#039;t be close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, vito, my analysis is based on reports I&#8217;ve gotten from Albany lobbyists about how things have played out on the congestion pricing front. And a great deal of my own experience in dealing with Albany and City Hall. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve got the wrong take on this one: survey assembly members from the city yourself and see what they think of the mayor&#8217;s proposal. </p>
<p>Do they take their lead from Silver? Often, but not always. Does Silver take his lead from them? A great deal of the time. That is one way he stays speaker. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no doubt that Albany is broken, but if it were the purest form of democracy up there (in other words, if members were truly able to push bills, etc.), congestion pricing would still fail to garner enough votes &#8212; and it wouldn&#8217;t be close.</p>
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		<title>By: vito</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/12/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-33894</link>
		<dc:creator>vito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spud, as a fellow weirdo, i appreciate your relenting to, as well as your subtle back-handed undercutting of, my argument.  silver is a rich man too, of course, only not extraordinarily so to the degree that the mayor enjoys.  and rhubarb, i don&#039;t mean to be out of line, but i do think that your interpretation of the way nys govt works, though intuitively correct and certainly it would be desirable to transform the assembly such that it were responsive to democratic will the way you suppose it to be, is rather naive.  i guess i&#039;d need to rustle up some kind of study tracking the frequency with which members&#039; votes track the speaker&#039;s to convince you, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Three-Men-Room-Betrayal-Statehouse/dp/1595580328&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s a recommended read in the meantime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spud, as a fellow weirdo, i appreciate your relenting to, as well as your subtle back-handed undercutting of, my argument.  silver is a rich man too, of course, only not extraordinarily so to the degree that the mayor enjoys.  and rhubarb, i don&#8217;t mean to be out of line, but i do think that your interpretation of the way nys govt works, though intuitively correct and certainly it would be desirable to transform the assembly such that it were responsive to democratic will the way you suppose it to be, is rather naive.  i guess i&#8217;d need to rustle up some kind of study tracking the frequency with which members&#8217; votes track the speaker&#8217;s to convince you, but <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Three-Men-Room-Betrayal-Statehouse/dp/1595580328" rel="nofollow">here</a>&#8216;s a recommended read in the meantime.</p>
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		<title>By: Spud Spudly</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/12/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-33892</link>
		<dc:creator>Spud Spudly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know Vito, you might be right.  I&#039;m thinking of how I would vote if I was represented by the most powerful person in state government (I&#039;m one of those weirdos after all that follows this stuff closely).  But with Bloomberg-type cash you can influence a lot of people.

The funniest part of the whole idea is the thought of Mike Bloomberg trudging up to Albany to serve as a State Assemblyman.  Of course, he can probably satisfy the district residency requirement by just buying every residential unit in the entire district.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know Vito, you might be right.  I&#8217;m thinking of how I would vote if I was represented by the most powerful person in state government (I&#8217;m one of those weirdos after all that follows this stuff closely).  But with Bloomberg-type cash you can influence a lot of people.</p>
<p>The funniest part of the whole idea is the thought of Mike Bloomberg trudging up to Albany to serve as a State Assemblyman.  Of course, he can probably satisfy the district residency requirement by just buying every residential unit in the entire district.</p>
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		<title>By: rhubarbpie</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/12/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-33891</link>
		<dc:creator>rhubarbpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I guess the assembly members are just some kind of robots. This plan would move forward if it had   real backing among assembly members: I think the abuse directed toward Silver, though understandable, is misplaced (and expressed sometimes in a way that seems a bit out of line, actually).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I guess the assembly members are just some kind of robots. This plan would move forward if it had   real backing among assembly members: I think the abuse directed toward Silver, though understandable, is misplaced (and expressed sometimes in a way that seems a bit out of line, actually).</p>
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		<title>By: vito</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/12/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-33889</link>
		<dc:creator>vito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and in response to rhubarb #16, i again have got to disagree.  assembly members aren&#039;t supporting the plan because shelley isn&#039;t supporting the plan, not the other way around, as he would have you believe (i heard his disingenuous claim on wnyc the other morning that he &lt;i&gt;thinks&lt;/i&gt; &quot;the votes just aren&#039;t there&quot; ... tsk, tsk).  shelley is the assembly.  any member who ever wants to pass anything ever again, who ever wants to get his name as a cosponsor on some popular bill, who ever wants to fund some pet project for a wealthy political donor friend out of the member items slush fund, had better vote however shelley wants him to vote.  assembly members, once they&#039;re in, pretty much can be there for life if they want.  they&#039;re thoroughly entrenched incumbents.  shelley determines how pleasant your stay in albany is.  man, eff that guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and in response to rhubarb #16, i again have got to disagree.  assembly members aren&#8217;t supporting the plan because shelley isn&#8217;t supporting the plan, not the other way around, as he would have you believe (i heard his disingenuous claim on wnyc the other morning that he <i>thinks</i> &#8220;the votes just aren&#8217;t there&#8221; &#8230; tsk, tsk).  shelley is the assembly.  any member who ever wants to pass anything ever again, who ever wants to get his name as a cosponsor on some popular bill, who ever wants to fund some pet project for a wealthy political donor friend out of the member items slush fund, had better vote however shelley wants him to vote.  assembly members, once they&#8217;re in, pretty much can be there for life if they want.  they&#8217;re thoroughly entrenched incumbents.  shelley determines how pleasant your stay in albany is.  man, eff that guy.</p>
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		<title>By: rhubarbpie</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/12/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-33888</link>
		<dc:creator>rhubarbpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;ll stop soon and get back to work. And it&#039;s a complete side issue. But I think vito is mistaken: Bloomberg would have a tough time winning Silver&#039;s district. Both men have the personal warmth of a frozen mammoth, but Silver does have a real base down there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;ll stop soon and get back to work. And it&#8217;s a complete side issue. But I think vito is mistaken: Bloomberg would have a tough time winning Silver&#8217;s district. Both men have the personal warmth of a frozen mammoth, but Silver does have a real base down there.</p>
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		<title>By: rhubarbpie</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/12/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-33886</link>
		<dc:creator>rhubarbpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt, drose, that Silver&#039;s neighborhood faces congestion for years, though I hope this isn&#039;t the end of the drive for congestion pricing, as you seem to suggest.

But that doesn&#039;t negate my key point: Silver listens to the Democratic assembly members, and they are telling him they don&#039;t want congestion pricing. 

In the end, even if he was a total congestion-pricing convert, he&#039;d have to have the votes, and for a variety of reasons (see various earlier posts by me and others) he doesn&#039;t have them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt, drose, that Silver&#8217;s neighborhood faces congestion for years, though I hope this isn&#8217;t the end of the drive for congestion pricing, as you seem to suggest.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t negate my key point: Silver listens to the Democratic assembly members, and they are telling him they don&#8217;t want congestion pricing. </p>
<p>In the end, even if he was a total congestion-pricing convert, he&#8217;d have to have the votes, and for a variety of reasons (see various earlier posts by me and others) he doesn&#8217;t have them.</p>
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		<title>By: drose</title>
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		<dc:creator>drose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhubarbpie,

After Monday, Silver&#039;s assembly district constituents will be forever condemned to be parking lots for the three free bridge approaches that run through that neighborhood, and also will probably not have the opportunity to take a Second Ave. Subway uptown in their lifetimes, not just 2020 as now planned.  Yes, his power as Speaker brings them a great deal of pork, but they do have to leave their homes to walk on the streets and go to work, and the failure of Status-Quo Silver and the Assembly to pass congestion pricing will leave them worse off in the long-run.  

I&#039;m surprised I have not seen any movement towards a rally in front of 250 Broadway on Monday at 2 pm.  Everyone now knows where the decision makers will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhubarbpie,</p>
<p>After Monday, Silver&#8217;s assembly district constituents will be forever condemned to be parking lots for the three free bridge approaches that run through that neighborhood, and also will probably not have the opportunity to take a Second Ave. Subway uptown in their lifetimes, not just 2020 as now planned.  Yes, his power as Speaker brings them a great deal of pork, but they do have to leave their homes to walk on the streets and go to work, and the failure of Status-Quo Silver and the Assembly to pass congestion pricing will leave them worse off in the long-run.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised I have not seen any movement towards a rally in front of 250 Broadway on Monday at 2 pm.  Everyone now knows where the decision makers will be.</p>
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		<title>By: vito</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/12/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-33883</link>
		<dc:creator>vito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i absolutely disagree with spud comment #17 when he says shelly&#039;s assembly district constitutents (contradistinguished from his assembly caucus constituency to which he owes his seat as speaker) wouldn&#039;t vote that rat bastard out of office.  assembly incumbents are invulnerable because NOBODY CARES about those elections . . . most residents of that district probably don&#039;t know who shelly is . . . most registered voters probably vote democratic party line because they oppose the war in iraq, not because they are loving the benefits they enjoy from shelley&#039;s ridiculously disproportionate political power; NOBODY knows or cares about this crap except those weirdos who concern themselves with local politics, either as vocation or avocation.  pouring bloomberg&#039;s millions into a race like that could guarantee that every apathetic hipster living on the lower east side would learn what a bastard shelley is in 25 different languages.  bloomy could also fund a quasi-party apparatus that could overcome the institutional entrenchment of the democratic party machine in this city, and register every eligible voter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i absolutely disagree with spud comment #17 when he says shelly&#8217;s assembly district constitutents (contradistinguished from his assembly caucus constituency to which he owes his seat as speaker) wouldn&#8217;t vote that rat bastard out of office.  assembly incumbents are invulnerable because NOBODY CARES about those elections . . . most residents of that district probably don&#8217;t know who shelly is . . . most registered voters probably vote democratic party line because they oppose the war in iraq, not because they are loving the benefits they enjoy from shelley&#8217;s ridiculously disproportionate political power; NOBODY knows or cares about this crap except those weirdos who concern themselves with local politics, either as vocation or avocation.  pouring bloomberg&#8217;s millions into a race like that could guarantee that every apathetic hipster living on the lower east side would learn what a bastard shelley is in 25 different languages.  bloomy could also fund a quasi-party apparatus that could overcome the institutional entrenchment of the democratic party machine in this city, and register every eligible voter.</p>
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		<title>By: rhubarbpie</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/12/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-33880</link>
		<dc:creator>rhubarbpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy Camper&#039;s point about Bloomberg&#039;s roll-out (esp. the too-late and top down piece) is on target. 

I know there is a great deal of unhappiness with Silver -- he doesn&#039;t see what we see and dammit, why not? -- but the man is really just responding to his constituents. 

In this case, aside from his district, his constituents are the men and women who selected him to be speaker. (That may not be fair or the best thing, but it is correct. It&#039;s the same in the City Council, where ultimately Christine Quinn is going to do what the council members want to do, along with various real estate developers who she thinks can make her mayor.) And Silver&#039;s assembly constituents didn&#039;t want congestion pricing. Making Silver the bad guy doesn&#039;t get us anyplace; figuring out how to persuade the weak links in the opposition (not Brodsky) is the way to go. 

And, while the loss of $500 million is bad news, and it&#039;s always good to have a deadline, that&#039;s where the next battle must take place -- on the home turf of the assembly members who opposed this and told Silver they wouldn&#039;t support it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Camper&#8217;s point about Bloomberg&#8217;s roll-out (esp. the too-late and top down piece) is on target. </p>
<p>I know there is a great deal of unhappiness with Silver &#8212; he doesn&#8217;t see what we see and dammit, why not? &#8212; but the man is really just responding to his constituents. </p>
<p>In this case, aside from his district, his constituents are the men and women who selected him to be speaker. (That may not be fair or the best thing, but it is correct. It&#8217;s the same in the City Council, where ultimately Christine Quinn is going to do what the council members want to do, along with various real estate developers who she thinks can make her mayor.) And Silver&#8217;s assembly constituents didn&#8217;t want congestion pricing. Making Silver the bad guy doesn&#8217;t get us anyplace; figuring out how to persuade the weak links in the opposition (not Brodsky) is the way to go. </p>
<p>And, while the loss of $500 million is bad news, and it&#8217;s always good to have a deadline, that&#8217;s where the next battle must take place &#8212; on the home turf of the assembly members who opposed this and told Silver they wouldn&#8217;t support it.</p>
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		<title>By: Happy Camper</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/07/12/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-33877</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy Camper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This goes well beyond rich and poor, commuters and not ...

In a city and a country where your proof of identity is a DRIVER&#039;s License even if you are not driving,  we are touching here at a deply ingrained cultural myth: I drive therefore I am. 

The car was about individual freedom, competitiveness, speed, and proof of success. All values embodied by the automobile that sets you &quot; free&quot; . It is not in New york but the perception lingers for much longer after the reality has changed, a classic effect of the markets.

I wish Bloomberg would succeed. 

If Bloomberg fails, it will be because he is trying something too big, too late and top down, a trade mark of his business- owner  culture where he could.. 

If he fails we will keep him on the matter, win small victories in a slow way and prevent him for going to the next big thing. 

Mr Silver, we will remove those cars, one at a time if this is what it takes.... So you are better off doing it quick and easy with a $ 500 million incentive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This goes well beyond rich and poor, commuters and not &#8230;</p>
<p>In a city and a country where your proof of identity is a DRIVER&#8217;s License even if you are not driving,  we are touching here at a deply ingrained cultural myth: I drive therefore I am. </p>
<p>The car was about individual freedom, competitiveness, speed, and proof of success. All values embodied by the automobile that sets you &#8221; free&#8221; . It is not in New york but the perception lingers for much longer after the reality has changed, a classic effect of the markets.</p>
<p>I wish Bloomberg would succeed. </p>
<p>If Bloomberg fails, it will be because he is trying something too big, too late and top down, a trade mark of his business- owner  culture where he could.. </p>
<p>If he fails we will keep him on the matter, win small victories in a slow way and prevent him for going to the next big thing. </p>
<p>Mr Silver, we will remove those cars, one at a time if this is what it takes&#8230;. So you are better off doing it quick and easy with a $ 500 million incentive.</p>
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		<title>By: jojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The battle won&#039;t be won on Streetblog....yet. 
;-)

Of course I support a compromise at this rate. But thats up to the powers that be. I just hope they make the right decision in the end. Some random, disconnected ideas to float for general digestion:

-Reinstating the post 9/11 HOV rule below 63rd street?
- Reducing the size of the congestion zone?
- Reducing the charge for trucks?
- Promise funding expanded and free Metro-North/LIRR park-and-rides as needed?

I&#039;ll tell you one thing: Funding from the feds or not, inaction is absolutely unacceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The battle won&#8217;t be won on Streetblog&#8230;.yet.<br /> <img src='http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Of course I support a compromise at this rate. But thats up to the powers that be. I just hope they make the right decision in the end. Some random, disconnected ideas to float for general digestion:</p>
<p>-Reinstating the post 9/11 HOV rule below 63rd street?<br />
- Reducing the size of the congestion zone?<br />
- Reducing the charge for trucks?<br />
- Promise funding expanded and free Metro-North/LIRR park-and-rides as needed?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you one thing: Funding from the feds or not, inaction is absolutely unacceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: rhubarbpie</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhubarbpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever your view of Spud Spudly&#039;s &quot;elitist&quot; argument -- Spud Spudly&#039;s a great name, by the way -- he (she?) makes some smart points. Bloomberg&#039;s unpopular in Albany, and his recent decision to switch to a non-affiliated status and, at the same time, continue to fund Senate Republicans, made the assembly unwilling to do him any favors. (Not that the assembly really wants a Democratic Senate, but that&#039;s another story.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever your view of Spud Spudly&#8217;s &#8220;elitist&#8221; argument &#8212; Spud Spudly&#8217;s a great name, by the way &#8212; he (she?) makes some smart points. Bloomberg&#8217;s unpopular in Albany, and his recent decision to switch to a non-affiliated status and, at the same time, continue to fund Senate Republicans, made the assembly unwilling to do him any favors. (Not that the assembly really wants a Democratic Senate, but that&#8217;s another story.)</p>
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		<title>By: Spud Spudly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spud Spudly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloomberg would probably lose that race, even if he spent another $74 million on the campaign.  The people in Shelly&#039;s district would be crazy to vote out their assemblyman when he&#039;s the most powerful person in state gov&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloomberg would probably lose that race, even if he spent another $74 million on the campaign.  The people in Shelly&#8217;s district would be crazy to vote out their assemblyman when he&#8217;s the most powerful person in state gov&#8217;t.</p>
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